[ROM][NOUGAT][QUARK][AOKP 7.?]DROID Turbo/Moto MAXX

ChazzMatt

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How difficult would it be to implement the Moto Apps/functions into the ROM?
Would permissions and other stuff developed by other users for marshmallow work with nougat?
Moto Voice was just a front cover...the actual app that worked underneath it was the Google App..."Ok Google" are the keywords for the trigger.

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Further reading:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox&hl=en
https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2940021?co=GENIE.Platform=Android&hl=en
https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/6031948?co=GENIE.Platform=Android&hl=en
Yes, Google owned Motorola at the time they and Motorola came out with the first Moto X (2012) which had Moto Voice. Motorola made a big deal how this was the first phone completely designed under the new ownership. When Google sold Motorola to Lenovo, they kept the Motorola Research division and Motorola patents. It was Google engineers and Motorola engineers who came up with Moto Voice, and Google kept the patents for that. Lenovo is allowed to use it and call it "Moto Voice", as they bought "Motorola" -- but it's really Google-owned technology patent, if you investigate closer.

http://news.lenovo.com/news-releases/lenovo-to-acquire-motorola-mobility-from-google.htm
Google will maintain ownership of the vast majority of the Motorola Mobility patent portfolio, including current patent applications and invention disclosures. As part of its ongoing relationship with Google, Lenovo will receive a license to this rich portfolio of patents and other intellectual property. Additionally Lenovo will receive over 2,000 patent assets, as well as the Motorola Mobility brand and trademark portfolio.
One reason why we don't want ALL the Motorola apps baked into the ROM is because for the most part there's nothing unique about any of the Motorola apps. Every manufacturer feels compelled to include their apps which are redundant to Google apps or 1,000 other similar/identical apps available in the Google Play store. If someone has made a great app, 100 other people have also made an app very similar or identical. In a very simplistic example, LG or Samsung will have a "calculator" app, which is the same functionality as the Google Calculator. I don't need two or three calculator apps when I install a custom ROM. (If you really, really WANT the "Samsung" calculator, here it is. No guarantees it will work on anything other than Samsung phones...)



Same reason I don't need Motorola Email app. I don't. I use Android email for one account, I use Gmail for my Gmail account, I use Nine for my corporate account, and I use Yahoo email for my Yahoo account. I know ANY of those will be available for ANY Android device I might own in the future. Before I bought the Quark in 2014 ( and I own three of them, so I love them) I was LG and Google Nexus fan. My next phone may not be a Motorola. I'm not impressed with the 2015 and 2015 Lenovo Motorola phones. So, I don't necessarily want proprietary Motorola apps that may only work on Motorola devices.

Moto Migrate? That functionality is built into Android (or at least CM-based ROMs). Every time I sign into a new ROM, I'm asked to place my old phone next to my new phone so the NFC chip can read my settings.

Motorola Car Finder? Waze tells me where I parked also, and that function is integrated into that Navigation app. (Google owned Navigation app, by the way. ;) ) Available for any Android device. I don't need a separate Motorola app to tell me what Waze Navigation app already tells me.

As for Moto Voice, there are many other apps which will read your texts to you while driving. In another thread, on this same topic -- since people keep bringing it up -- I listed like half a dozen such apps, but I'm not going to go find them now. Besides OK Google you can also configure the new Google Assistant, which is an advanced form of OK Google. It's a personal assistant which can do almost anything. Plenty of choices!

For Moto Display, yes that is one "app" (function) that is proprietary and is not open sourced. But our CM dev took great pains to replicate that feature, including use of the Quark IR sensors, under the guise of "Ambient Display". Quark (XT1254/XT1250/XT1225) Ambient Display is DIFFERENT from regular Android Ambient Display. It's basically Moto Display. I gave a link on how to configure it.

Point is, for me most Moto apps are bloatware I don't want. IF people want to download and install them, permissions in this ROM and some other ROMs allow you to do so. You can pick and choose what you want, but there's plenty of alternatives which might work even better! We don't want nor need Moto apps "baked into the ROM".

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EDIT: Doing some more research, Motorola feels the same way I do and has killed off some of their apps due to redundancy in Android.

http://phandroid.com/2015/10/02/motorola-removing-many-apps-services-in-android-60-marshmallow/
Motorola confirmed in a blog post today that, once they upgrade a handful of their devices to Marshmallow — the full list can be found here — they’ll officially be retiring some of their in-house apps and services you may have grown accustomed to. Motorola says they’re actually doing their customers a solid by not duplicating functionality already found in Android, because really, the last thing our devices need is more bloat.

So that you’re not wondering to yourself, “Where the heck did Moto ___ go?” after that big software update, here’s a quick list of some of the beloved Motorola features that are getting killed off in Marshmallow.
 

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I was on the phone yesterday for two to three hours (mostly on hold?) and with it on speaker most of the time and did not drop any if the calls. (Although the hold music would fade in and out, but did not affect the calls).

Has any one beside me not be able to have the "quick unlock" not work? I haven't tried it since I first had the problem.

Thx.
 

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Google owned Motorola at the time they and Motorola came out with the first Moto X (2012) which had Moto Voice. Motorola made a big deal how this was the first phone completely designed under the new ownership. When Google sold Motorola to Lenovo, they kept the Motorola Research division and Motorola patents. It was Google engineers and Motorola engineers who came up with Moto Voice, and Google kept the patents for that. Lenovo is allowed to use it and call it "Moto Voice", as they bought "Motorola" -- but it's really Google-owned technology patent, if you investigate closer.

http://news.lenovo.com/news-releases/lenovo-to-acquire-motorola-mobility-from-google.htm


One reason why we don't want ALL the Motorola apps baked into the ROM is because for the most part there's nothing unique about any of the Motorola apps. Every manufacturer feels compelled to include their apps which are redundant to Google apps or 1,000 other similar/identical apps available in the Google Play store. If someone has made a great app, 100 other people have also made an app very similar or identical. In a very simplistic example, LG or Samsung will have a "calculator" app, which is the same functionality as the Google Calculator. I don't need two or three calculator apps when I install a custom ROM.

For instance, I don't need Motorola Email. I don't. I use Android email for one account, I use Gmail for my Gmail account, I use Nine for my corporate account, and I use Yahoo email for my Yahoo account. I know ANY of those will be available for ANY Android device I might own in the future. Before I bought the Quark in 2014 ( and I own three of them, so I love them) I was LG and Google Nexus fan. My next phone may not be a Motorola. I'm not impressed with the 2015 and 2015 Lenovo Motorola phones. So, I don't necessarily want proprietary Motorola apps that will only work on Motorola devices.

Motorola Car Finder? Waze tells me where I parked also, and that function is integrated into that Navigation app. (Google owned Navigation app, by the way. ;) ) Available for any Android device. I don't need a separate Motorola app to tell me what Waze Navigation app already tells me.

As for Moto Voice, there are many other apps which will read your texts to you while driving. In another thread, on this same topic since people keep bringing it up, I listed like half a dozen such apps, but I'm not going to go find them now. Besides OK Google you can also configure the new Google Assistant, which is an advanced form of OK Google. It's a personal assistant which can do almost anything. Plenty of choices!

For Moto Display, yes that is one "app" (function) that is proprietary and is not open sourced. But our CM dev took great pains to replicate that feature, including use of the Quark IR sensors, under the guise of "Ambient Display". Quark (XT1254/XT1250/XT1225) Ambient Display is DIFFERENT from regular Android Ambient Display. It's basically Moto Display. I gave a link above on how to configure it.

Point is, for me most Moto apps are bloatware I don't want. IF people want to download and install them, permissions in this ROM and some other ROMs allow you to do so. You can pick and choose what you want, but there's plenty of alternatives which might work even better! We don't want nor need Moto apps "baked into the ROM".
Exactly, the ROM does pretty much what I need it to do as it is. Future updates will just make it better, I believe, as we improve upon the functionality of Android Nougat.
 

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I was on the phone yesterday for two to three hours (mostly on hold?) and with it on speaker most of the time and did not drop any if the calls. (Although the hold music would fade in and out, but did not affect the calls).

Has any one beside me not be able to have the "quick unlock" not work? I haven't tried it since I first had the problem.

Thx.
Just ran a test, yeah, it's still derped. I'll see what I can do about fixing it or getting it fixed :good:
 
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Sorry, I'm just trying to find out as I haven't tried the rom yet. I will when I have some spare time.
So all the Moto Action work because the app work. Is that right?
And also since I only used Moto Voice, does the Google Voice read and talk back to you for example when you drive? That's my main concern.

Thanks.
Moto Voice was just a front cover...the actual app that worked underneath it was the Google App..."Ok Google" are the keywords for the trigger.

---------- Post added at 02:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:01 PM ----------

Further reading:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox&hl=en
https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2940021?co=GENIE.Platform=Android&hl=en
https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/6031948?co=GENIE.Platform=Android&hl=en
Google Now/Assistant isn't as good as Moto Voice, because they can't be triggered while the screen is off like Moto Voice could. Also, Moto Voice could detect when you're driving and read text messages to you and tell you the name of a caller. These are the features rezehelius is asking about. Unfortunately, Moto Voice doesn't work on custom ROMs. It won't install unless you delete a system app whose name I forget, and if you do delete that app and install Moto Voice, it doesn't actually work.
 
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Google Now/Assistant isn't as good as Moto Voice, because they can't be triggered while the screen is off like Moto Voice could..
Wrong. Mine can be triggered when the phone screen is off.

I just did it. Google Assistant. And I even have a security lock on my display.

and Google Now can do this:

PSA: Google Now Can Read Your Last Five Text Messages Like An Answering Machine And Let You Reply To Them
December 2, 2015 (over a year ago)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/1...-answering-machine-and-let-you-reply-to-them/
But for now, it's limited to SMS messages and appears to work regardless of the default SMS app you use. (In my case, it was LG's Messaging app that was handling my SMS.)
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-listen-and-reply-to-text-messages-hands-free/
Now, however, you can say this: "OK, Google, show me my last messages." You have to phrase it just like that; saying "read my messages" won't work.

Once your phone processes the sentence, it'll display your five most recent texts, announce who the first one is from, then ask if you want to hear it or skip it. If you answer the former, Google Now will read the contents of the message, then give you three options: reply, repeat it or go on to the next one.
But there's other apps that can do the same (read texts and who it's from). There's nothing unique about the most of the Moto apps.

Just a few...

ReadItToMe - Unique Handsfree
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=robj.readit.tomefree&hl=en

messageLOUD: Texts+Email aLOUD
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.messageloud&hl=en
http://www.messageloud.com/

Text Message Reader
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.allaboutee.textmessagereader&hl=en

Text by Voice
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tuogol.textbyvoice

AutoMate - Car Dashboard
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bitspice.automate&hl=en

and a lot more I don't have time to list.
 
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Wrong. Mine can be triggered when the phone screen is off.

I just did it. Google Assistant. And I even have a security lock on my display.

and Google Now can do this:

PSA: Google Now Can Read Your Last Five Text Messages Like An Answering Machine And Let You Reply To Them
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/1...-answering-machine-and-let-you-reply-to-them/


But there's other apps that can do the same. There's nothing unique about the Moto apps.
I can't get Google to trigger while my screen is off, and I didn't know Google could read messages now, that's great. Are you using AOKP? I'm currently using RR and if AOKP can listen for OK Google while the screen is off I'll definitely switch
 

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I can't get Google to trigger while my screen is off, and I didn't know Google could read messages now, that's great. Are you using AOKP? I'm currently using RR and if AOKP can listen for OK Google while the screen is off I'll definitely switch
I'm on RR 6.x (Marshmallow) with Xposed Google Assistant module. I have Google Assistant set to unlock my display with my voice.

Regular "Google Now" can read messages (for a year now), but the newer "Google Assistant" (released with Nougat) cannot yet. However thanks to XDA I am using the newer Google Assistant even on Marshmallow ROM, which does unlock my phone with a voice command (even with an turned off display on an non-charging phone) . I would use one of the apps above -- and there's more I didn't even list -- if I needed text messages read out loud right now, until Google Assistant can read text messages.
 
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I have it set to unlock my display as well, but I can only ever get it to trigger while it's charging or already unlocked.
hmmmm... Mine is just sitting on the desk, not charging. With Display off, I say "OK Google" and it unlocks and the woman asks what I want. :)

My wife's Quark also works the same way -- unlocks display with Trusted Voice.

 
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I make and receive calls most of the day, no issues. However, like @Nitefire77, I flashed to newest modem that came with the Turbo update to MM
Some users are reporting problem with signal, 3g / 4g the signal is falling ... 2g the signal gets normal, in the community also some users are having this problem ... I already did the modem flash and nothing to solve, I will try to find out The reason, has a user in RR rom and has the same problem: /

Device XT1225.