[ROM][STOCK] -=StockPlus=- Root, Busybox, Deodexed [1.0.519r2][10/10/2013][DISCONT.]

[Ipse_Tase]

Again sorry for having to put this on hold... it's just that I need to get things pulled together and straightened out before I start jumping back in on this.

Dunno why you would be sorry...there is real life outside these forums. People should realize that there is so little development on Ouya that if one guy takes a break, everything halts - sheesh, so much for an "open platform".
Take care of your personal stuff, the new bugs in the official ROMs will keep us busy.

 

[XblackdemonX]

Dunno why you would be sorry...there is real life outside these forums. People should realize that there is so little development on Ouya that if one guy takes a break, everything halts - sheesh, so much for an "open platform".
Take care of your personal stuff, the new bugs in the official ROMs will keep us busy.

I wish I would know how it works so I could continue this project

 

[YoshiFan501]

Just as i was hoping to get an ouya for christmas

 

[1eyedmonster]

Wicked rom great work pal

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[bornagainpenguin]

People should realize that there is so little development on Ouya that if one guy takes a break, everything halts - sheesh, so much for an "open platform".

That's because the company lied to us.

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[flamepanther]

So lack of interested developers equals non-open platform, and this stunning leap of illogic naturally means the company lied to all of us. Good work, glad we could degenerate the thread to that level of irrationality in so few posts.

 

[bornagainpenguin]

So lack of interested developers equals non-open platform, and this stunning leap of illogic naturally means the company lied to all of us. Good work, glad we could degenerate the thread to that level of irrationality in so few posts.

Nice try but there's a few things wrong with your equation. Try this instead:

Fraudulent promises of openness + danger of bricking = lack of interested developers.

We were sold the device on promises of being able to root and hack the device, this led to massive interest in the OUYA until it turned out to be a lie. Worse it was discovered that trying to hack the device was dangerous and could render it a hundred dollar paperweight! Is it any wonder so many interested developers decided to find something less of a headache to spend their time on?

Any more insults you want to send my way?

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[FrostyF7]

This device had so much potential...

 

[flamepanther]

Nice try but there's a few things wrong with your equation. Try this instead:

Fraudulent promises of openness + danger of bricking = lack of interested developers.

We were sold the device on promises of being able to root and hack the device, this led to massive interest in the OUYA until it turned out to be a lie. Worse it was discovered that trying to hack the device was dangerous and could render it a hundred dollar paperweight! Is it any wonder so many interested developers decided to find something less of a headache to spend their time on?

Any more insults you want to send my way?

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I'm sorry, are you not able to root yours? Are we not discussing what was a very successful custom ROM until the developer's time was needed elsewhere? Has there been a slew of Android devices with a 0% chance of bricking when trying to create exploits and custom ROMs and recoveries for them? Do the rooting and flashing guides for every other Android device not start with a warning that you might brick your device? Even after the ins and outs of that device are well known? Relative to the Android world, did we have to deal with a locked and encrypted bootloader like several major phones have had? Are they patching known exploits like Madcatz? Relative to other game consoles has this not been easier to hack? Is OUYA banning you from their online store like Sony and MS would do? Can we not add and execute our own apps and games without even hacking the device (could have locked that out like GameStick)? Remember, it's those last few things that Boxer8 was actually promising. A more open, more hackable alternative to other game consoles. They told us in advance that past the pre-rooted backer "developer" units, we would have to figure out the exploits and hacking for ourselves. And in less than six months, we got there. I think that's a record for any game console. We got what they promised, and this thread is proof of that. I'm sorry it wasn't the fantasy version you imagined, but a fulfilment that doesn't measure up to your expectations is not the same as being lied to. I doubt there's an objective way to know whether their fulfilment was sub-par or your expectations were inflated, but I reckon it's a little of both.

If you want examples of console makers actually lying, you might want to look through the history of pre-release promises Sony has made. PS2 will have graphics on par with holywood movies! PS3 will replace the home computer! It's technologically impossible to have motion sensors and vibration feedback in one controller! We won't need to make a PS4 for 10 years! That's what an actual lie looks like.

 

[BlissfulBeast]

Bravo well said chap!

I think lack of developers is an accurate statement but it doesn't answer the WHY?

Ironically I had a hard time not bricking my OUYA. With a keyboard attached, and running the right program, it's pretty darn difficult to brick the box.

I mean where did this fear come from? 1 amateur developers makes a claim he bricked his OUYA and now developers of all skill levels
are wailing in fear to develop on this device with tons of potential. This fear is just moronic. :silly:

My theory/equation is: President lacking leadership + Economy Horrible + People Unwilling to donate + 1 (Likely false claim) of bricking OUYA = NO DEVELOPMENT FOR OUYA. BOO! :crying:

I don't know what XDA is coming to anymore.

FYI, don't take this post to seriously, it's basically a joke, just like development for the OUYA.

I'm sorry, are you not able to root yours? Are we not discussing what was a very successful custom ROM until the developer's time was needed elsewhere? Has there been a slew of Android devices with a 0% chance of bricking when trying to create exploits and custom ROMs and recoveries for them? Do the rooting and flashing guides for every other Android device not start with a warning that you might brick your device? Even after the ins and outs of that device are well known? Relative to the Android world, did we have to deal with a locked and encrypted bootloader like several major phones have had? Are they patching known exploits like Madcatz? Relative to other game consoles has this not been easier to hack? Is OUYA banning you from their online store like Sony and MS would do? Can we not add and execute our own apps and games without even hacking the device (could have locked that out like GameStick)? Remember, it's those last few things that Boxer8 was actually promising. A more open, more hackable alternative to other game consoles. They told us in advance that past the pre-rooted backer "developer" units, we would have to figure out the exploits and hacking for ourselves. And in less than six months, we got there. I think that's a record for any game console. We got what they promised, and this thread is proof of that. I'm sorry it wasn't the fantasy version you imagined, but a fulfilment that doesn't measure up to your expectations is not the same as being lied to. I doubt there's an objective way to know whether their fulfilment was sub-par or your expectations were inflated, but I reckon it's a little of both.

If you want examples of console makers actually lying, you might want to look through the history of pre-release promises Sony has made. PS2 will have graphics on par with holywood movies! PS3 will replace the home computer! It's technologically impossible to have motion sensors and vibration feedback in one controller! We won't need to make a PS4 for 10 years! That's what an actual lie looks like.

 

[rkmFL]

@BlissfulBeast & @flamepanther-

Frame it however you like. If you want to detract for the original point by claiming that other company's have done worse, that's fine.

However, no matter how you frame it, OUYA most definitely did lie to the community.

If you'd like evidence of an openly-rootable device and its relative popularity versus hacked-rootable devices, take a look at the trends in Android phones/tablets. The nexus line of openly rootable devices are far more popular than the alternatives, even when the alternatives are spec'ed better.

It's a moot argument; however. The simple fact is there isn't much development occurring on this box, regardless of your reasoning, and that was his original point, which most certainly is valid.

 

[flamepanther]

@BlissfulBeast & @flamepanther-
However, no matter how you frame it, OUYA most definitely did lie to the community.

I have yet to see one person support this claim, including yourself.

 

[adfurgerson]

I have yet to see one person support this claim, including yourself.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
See the FAQ section where they talk about how "open" it will be, specifically where they say if you don't like our choices change it yourself.

 

[topnomi]

It's easily brickable because there is no bootloader we can access. if you bork the boot.img (kernel) the the box is a brick.

In many phones, if you screw up the kernel, it'll just automatically boot into the bootloader and you can fastboot the kernel. The is not possible with the ouya.

I know there were a couple hacks people came up with to get around the danger, but the bottom line is the ouya is one of the most dangerous (easily brickable) android devices that you can use a custom recovery on.

Bravo well said chap!

I think lack of developers is an accurate statement but it doesn't answer the WHY?

Ironically I had a hard time not bricking my OUYA. With a keyboard attached, and running the right program, it's pretty darn difficult to brick the box.

I mean where did this fear come from? 1 amateur developers makes a claim he bricked his OUYA and now developers of all skill levels
are wailing in fear to develop on this device with tons of potential. This fear is just moronic. :silly:

My theory/equation is: President lacking leadership + Economy Horrible + People Unwilling to donate + 1 (Likely false claim) of bricking OUYA = NO DEVELOPMENT FOR OUYA. BOO! :crying:

I don't know what XDA is coming to anymore.

FYI, don't take this post to seriously, it's basically a joke, just like development for the OUYA.

 

[flamepanther]

It seems to me that people are confusing design flaws with closedness. I don't think it's a secret that OUYA was rushed and has a lot of flaws. The stock ROM has a lot of things that don't work right or shouldn't even be included. If they haven't even polished things up for themselves internally while running as intended, I don't think we can expect a smoother ride when we start messing with things. And if people want to ***** and gripe about implementation that doesn't meet their expectations, then fine. But that's got nothing to do with whether the system is "open."

Earlier this week, I helped a guy fix his OUYA which he had semi-bricked. He managed to get himself into that situation by modifying and deleting system files before he even rooted the device! He had to use ADB to push the root exploit to his device and run it, install CWM recovery, and flash the stock ROM. But it's crazy that this could even happen! I haven't been able to tinker with important system files at will without root/admin rights since Windows was still running on top of DOS. It's a very bad idea to allow that, but it is very open. Not only is it both open and dangerous, but it is dangerous specifically because it is so open. But they promised that if we didn't like something we could change it, and they'll let this guy try to do just that. Doesn't mean they'll keep him from breaking it.

People seem to want to jump straight to the worst possible conclusion. I remember not long ago when The Cave came out and people were having nothing but trouble installing it. Someone noticed that it especially seemed to affect rooted users, and started spreading rumors that OUYA and Double Fine had conspired to implement some kind of anti-root DRM. As it turned out, the issues were actually caused by two really bad bugs: one was keeping very large games from being moved to external storage; the other was causing the OUYA to store duplicate APKs of every game, making it almost impossible to have enough internal memory free to install The Cave. The issues affected plenty of non-root users, but since root users tend to have extra system files and apps installed (Google Play), they affected us more often. OUYA fixed both bugs within a week, people were able to play The Cave, and everything turned out okay... except that Double Fine seemed somewhat offended by the accusations.

So, when you've got a problem with how somebody does something, don't jump to the worst possible reason they might be doing it deliberately. If you have a suspicion that you think has merit, then look for other things you'd expect to see if your suspicion were true. In this case, if OUYA wanted to lock down their system, there are other, better measures they could take to do that. They wouldn't be letting users access and modify system files without being root. They would patch the exploits they know people are using to get root access. They would lock down the bootloader instead of just implementing it strangely. Reality is inconsistent with the accusation, and is more consistent with an inexperienced group making some big mistakes while trying to implement an open system.

 

[bornagainpenguin]

I'll apologize for the name crack, but in my defense you did seem to be flaming, so when I saw your username it was an easy conclusion to jump to. I'm sorry for having misjudged you.

It seems to me that people are confusing design flaws with closedness. I don't think it's a secret that OUYA was rushed and has a lot of flaws. The stock ROM has a lot of things that don't work right or shouldn't even be included. If they haven't even polished things up for themselves internally while running as intended, I don't think we can expect a smoother ride when we start messing with things. And if people want to ***** and gripe about implementation that doesn't meet their expectations, then fine. But that's got nothing to do with whether the system is "open."

Earlier this week, I helped a guy fix his OUYA which he had semi-bricked. He managed to get himself into that situation by modifying and deleting system files before he even rooted the device! He had to use ADB to push the root exploit to his device and run it, install CWM recovery, and flash the stock ROM. But it's crazy that this could even happen! I haven't been able to tinker with important system files at will without root/admin rights since Windows was still running on top of DOS. It's a very bad idea to allow that, but it is very open. Not only is it both open and dangerous, but it is dangerous specifically because it is so open. But they promised that if we didn't like something we could change it, and they'll let this guy try to do just that. Doesn't mean they'll keep him from breaking it.

So your argument in defense of the company is not that they didn't lie, they're just incompetent? Interesting argument. I'd honestly rather believe that their behavior was dishonesty rather than incompetence because dishonesty can be corrected if called out publicly enough but incompetence will simply run the company into the ground and squander every chance at redemption.

I had a Pandigital Novel once, which was open by way of incompetence and an unwillingness to embrace the community around their devices, by the time they'd improved enough to start responding to and respecting their customers all good will had been used up and the key advantages the company had had were wasted. It folded shortly thereafter. I do not want this to happen to the OUYA.

So, when you've got a problem with how somebody does something, don't jump to the worst possible reason they might be doing it deliberately. If you have a suspicion that you think has merit, then look for other things you'd expect to see if your suspicion were true. In this case, if OUYA wanted to lock down their system, there are other, better measures they could take to do that. They wouldn't be letting users access and modify system files without being root. They would patch the exploits they know people are using to get root access. They would lock down the bootloader instead of just implementing it strangely. Reality is inconsistent with the accusation, and is more consistent with an inexperienced group making some big mistakes while trying to implement an open system.

OK, fair enough. The real test will come with the release of the OUYA v2.0 to see if they've patched away all openness and revealed the existence of various exploits to be incompetence not design. If they lock down the OUYA v2.0 we'll know once and for all.


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[flamepanther]

I'll apologize for the name crack, but in my defense you did seem to be flaming, so when I saw your username it was an easy conclusion to jump to. I'm sorry for having misjudged you.

Thanks.

So your argument in defense of the company is not that they didn't lie, they're just incompetent? Interesting argument. I'd honestly rather believe that their behavior was dishonesty rather than incompetence because dishonesty can be corrected if called out publicly enough but incompetence will simply run the company into the ground and squander every chance at redemption.

Almost. My suggestion is that they are inexperienced. Competence comes with experience, so it's not like this is something that has to doom them forever. In fact, I think inexperience is a lot more correctable than dishonesty. The vast improvements they continue to make in the controller should be evidence enough that they're learning quickly from some of the more major flaws that have been raised. It may be too late to expect them to move the bootloader on the current model, but as you say, 2.0 should be a game changer one way or the other,

 

[zznh]

Hi,

Anyone know anything more about the USB DAC?

I really want to buy a OUYA, but I want to connect my headphones!

It's weird how it works with the CM10 and not here, will nimguem can do anything?

Thanks

 

[akira6968]

Holy sh*t I just got an OUYA for xmas from the wifey, and I'm super excited XD THANK YOU for the CIFS support. Hopefully it'll help me get my all-Windows domain shares working easily

 

[vincenzo697]

IncognitoMan my friend are you going to update your Rom anymore?

Thanks for your great WORK.!!!!!!