Hi, thanks for your input. I know how to root/update. But i'm wondering about the switch "bootloader unlock enable/disable". It was grayed out as described here when i rooted my device. Thats not the problem. But suddenly the switch in the developers sections isn't grayed anymore, but switchable again. My device is rooted, but my fear is, that i can't flash a new update with patched boot.img in this state.
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Sure i have to use odin. But what do you mean with recovery? Odin needs downloadmode for flashing. So if you don't have problems loosing data, flash complete Stockrom. And then go as if rooting 1st time. I think that would work.
My problem is only, that i won't loose data on next update and install whole bunch again. So i ask for experiences with suddenly switchable "oem unlock".
My issue is I wanted to update without wiping but now I see that's impossible. I was trying to enter recovery (for some reason it seems to be used interchangeably with Download Mode) like I did when I first got the phone. Apologies for not being clear. But from the looks of it, yes, you'll have to wipe it as in put it back in stock in stock state in order to get any updates, then root all over again.
I'm not sure why your "OEM Unlocked" is suddenly switchable, but in theory a current update would fix that. But the issue we both face is we don't want to wipe our data to do anything, and unless I/we are messing something, that's unavoidable. :/
strange thinks happen. Just was in recovery-mode, from there booted to bootloader (only to verify all is ok there), then rebooted and now "oem-unlock" is grayed again.
@ Rodymus: If i understand the description from the magisk-developer right, it is possible to update with odin without loosing data. It seems your recovery is somewhat defect, but for Flashing you only need download-mode and open bootloader.
I will try it this way (but first when android 11 comes out): Download new Samsung Stock. Make Bakeup. Patch AP on my (hopefully working) lite. Then flash the patched AP, BL, CP and Home_csc. And then hold breathing
And there is a warning in the description: Never try to go back to stock flashing only stock-Bootimage. Flash complete StockRom. I think, there will be some more things be patched when installating MagiskManager, not only the boot.img.
@ Rodymus: If i understand the description from the magisk-developer right, it is possible to update with odin without loosing data. It seems your recovery is somewhat defect, but for Flashing you only need download-mode and open bootloader.
I will try it this way (but first when android 11 comes out): Download new Samsung Stock. Make Bakeup. Patch AP on my (hopefully working) lite. Then flash the patched AP, BL, CP and Home_csc. And then hold breathing
And there is a warning in the description: Never try to go back to stock flashing only stock-Bootimage. Flash complete StockRom. I think, there will be some more things be patched when installating MagiskManager, not only the boot.img.
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Another strange thing: I just noticed, that suddenly in Magiskmanager the HideFunction was disabled. I enabled it again, also the systemless host, and rebooted. Now my "OEM-Unlock" is switchable again!
i'm using Magisk 21.1, and Safetynet-Check gives "no sucess". How about you?
i'm using Magisk 21.1, and Safetynet-Check gives "no sucess". How about you?
The point though is that my recovery/download mode is gone. I only have the options I mentioned (reboot, shut down, wipe), but you'll get a blink and you'll miss it flash of the blue screen with the android mascot falling down.
I downloaded the current update through desktop, transferred the AP file from the zip to my phone, used magisk to patch it, put it back on desktop. I was ready to go till I tried to enter recovery/download mode.
I think the idea is if you wipe the phone it'll also wipe out root, and root is what is preventing recovery/download mode, not an unlocked boatloader. There are threads around here that explain why this is, and why TWRP is impossible. So I kinda get why folks are abandoing this phone (If I had a spare grand I'd get a Note 10+/Note 20 Ultra, too).
So, yeah, harvey, I'll do the same and in fact that was my original plan. Wait till 11 comes out, wipe phone, etc. Its just...11 isn't coming out till March for the Note 10 Lite according to Samsung's own website. And I wanted something other than the July 2020 update on my phone. :/ Ah well.
I downloaded the current update through desktop, transferred the AP file from the zip to my phone, used magisk to patch it, put it back on desktop. I was ready to go till I tried to enter recovery/download mode.
I think the idea is if you wipe the phone it'll also wipe out root, and root is what is preventing recovery/download mode, not an unlocked boatloader. There are threads around here that explain why this is, and why TWRP is impossible. So I kinda get why folks are abandoing this phone (If I had a spare grand I'd get a Note 10+/Note 20 Ultra, too).
So, yeah, harvey, I'll do the same and in fact that was my original plan. Wait till 11 comes out, wipe phone, etc. Its just...11 isn't coming out till March for the Note 10 Lite according to Samsung's own website. And I wanted something other than the July 2020 update on my phone. :/ Ah well.
You cant boot into bootloader mode? Screen should show something with fastboot on top. In this mode odin should work. Or try with adb: adb reboot bootloader
Or try to go to full download mode with: Shut down phone, connect usb-cable to pc (not to phone), hold volume
down/up both and put usb-cable into phone.
I did the second one, now I'm stuck in Odin Mode. Hm. I backed up everything but even if I wanted to do a full flash, can't get out of it. Currently googling a solution.
Press Vol down and Power together for about 10 seconds
to reboot. Or flash full with odin, then your recovery should work again
I did, it shuts off then comes right back to the Odin Mode screen.
No longer shows up in Odin either.
Well, answering my own problem here, but, I found the solution on the S10+ forum. Basically when you're stuck there, press the Volume Down + Power button, yes, but as soon, AS SOON, as the screen goes off, press volume up and down at the same time AND insert the USB plug. Gotta be quick.
Attempting to root again. I'll post back with an update.
Attempting to root again. I'll post back with an update.
that's no matter of recovery (you will still get into stock recovery with the known buttons pressed simultaneousely after leaving download state) but factory reset is - that's what I've experienced - mandatory after flashing magisk-patched AP***.md5 in order to have a rooted device.
Imho this is because Samsung does not want to give you ota-updates if you modified your phone.
Other manufacturers like Oneplus or Xiaomi will allow that even with unlocked BL and rooted phones (and i.e. custom recovery like twrp).
All in all I guess that we will face lots of disadvantages initiated by the manufacturers/google in the future if you will root your phone because they hate individual modifications especially concerning their holy system settings. They talk bs if they tell you it's because of safety reasons. The truth is they want to take control of your device disregarding that this is my decision how to use and how I work with it.
Anyway I hope there's always a dev who provides a workaround...
Slight problem though. The problems we're having seem exclusive to the Note 10 Lite, or rather lack of solutions seem exclusive to us. Dr. Keten is working wonders with the Note 10 Plus and Note 20, meanwhile we can't even get TWRP.
A bigger screen and more internal memory is the best I can say about this phone at this point. Otherwise, unless you don't root phones anyway, I'd now start warning people to STAY AWAY. I'm now of the mind this was some sort of weird experiment by Samsung that ultimately failed.
A bigger screen and more internal memory is the best I can say about this phone at this point. Otherwise, unless you don't root phones anyway, I'd now start warning people to STAY AWAY. I'm now of the mind this was some sort of weird experiment by Samsung that ultimately failed.
There is a Magisk mod that I was testing for a developer. It's flashed with Magisk. It gives you a few options that we just don't have on the 10lite. He was the only one that I know of that was working on anything. He was working on Twrp but gave up. I will reach out to him and see if it's OK to post if I can find it.
I don't think that a factory reset is mandatory. The following is from topjohnwus (devel of magisk) github page, out of the instructions for installing magisk on samsung:
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- Never, ever try to restore either boot or recovery partitions back to stock! You can easily brick your device by doing so, and the only way out is to do a full Odin restore with data wipe.
- To upgrade your device with a new firmware, NEVER directly use the stock AP tar file with reasons mentioned above. Always pre-patch AP in Magisk Manager before flashing in Odin.
- Use HOME_CSC to preserve your data when doing a firmware upgrade. Using CSC is only necessary for the initial installation.
- Never just flash only AP, or else Odin can shrink your /data filesystem. Flash full AP + BL + CP + HOME_CSC when upgrading.
In point 3 he says, csc only necessary for initial install. with home_csc our data will be preserved. So if a factory reboot would be mandatory, it would be senseless to use home_csc.
Anyway, my system is on november patch and now i get working all fine. My galaxy watch had paired and with the props-modul for magisk ctsprofile-test says "OK" again.
So i will first try an update after A11 is rolled out for some months.
In my mind most changes from Android5 to 11 are changes, that restricts me in using my phone as i want (as you also said), beginning with the problems writing to sdcard from any program (think it was in A4 or A5 ).
The most other changes in design could also achieved with tools from other developers or custom roms. Gestion navigation i never used, i prefer spen and keyboard. OK, Cameras are better as eg Note1 or Note3, but the camera on my note4 was good enough for me.
Only the fingerprint is a useable hardware extension for me, ist simplier to use banking apps with it then allways give passwords from 8 to 10 signs.
Hayyp xmas to all
Sorry, harvey, it is mandatory. Remember when I said I was stuck in Odin mode? Once you showed me how to get into download mode, I then tried to flash through Odin exactly as that list described (remember I had already patched the AP file). I did everything that list said, reboot, stuck in Odin mode with the error AVB Fail.
With this device, like it or not, you have to restore to stock to get updates then repeat the root process. As in, get the current firmware like I did, flash that and it'll be the stock of that update, then root again. Which is what I had to do, and which also means a factory reset at some point.
This is why I'm warning people away from this device. No one wants to factory reset every time they want a current update. If other Samsung flagships have this problem other people have already solved it or figured out loopholes so its no longer an issue.
If you want to try it for yourself but only when 11 comes to our device, go for it, but again, you'll have to wait till March.
With this device, like it or not, you have to restore to stock to get updates then repeat the root process. As in, get the current firmware like I did, flash that and it'll be the stock of that update, then root again. Which is what I had to do, and which also means a factory reset at some point.
This is why I'm warning people away from this device. No one wants to factory reset every time they want a current update. If other Samsung flagships have this problem other people have already solved it or figured out loopholes so its no longer an issue.
If you want to try it for yourself but only when 11 comes to our device, go for it, but again, you'll have to wait till March.
@RodimusConvoy @harvey
Thanks guys for your efforts. I really want to believe that it should be possible to update a magisk-patched rooted device with an identically magisk-patched updated AP-file but - as said - I failed, so for me it was mandatory to perrfom a factory reset (in stock recovery) with data wipe to get it to boot into updated system.
(After creating magisk-patched AP I flashed stock AP, BL, CP and Home_CSC and AFTER that I flashed the magisk-patched AP in a seperate odin session - which now sounds for me a bit weird)
Weird because I didn't try yet (as written above) the recommended simultaneously flash of all files, magisk-patched AP, BL, CP Home_CSC in only one odin session which I will try as soon as the next update will be available.
Did anyone tried exactly that procedure in that order ?
Thanks guys for your efforts. I really want to believe that it should be possible to update a magisk-patched rooted device with an identically magisk-patched updated AP-file but - as said - I failed, so for me it was mandatory to perrfom a factory reset (in stock recovery) with data wipe to get it to boot into updated system.
(After creating magisk-patched AP I flashed stock AP, BL, CP and Home_CSC and AFTER that I flashed the magisk-patched AP in a seperate odin session - which now sounds for me a bit weird)
Weird because I didn't try yet (as written above) the recommended simultaneously flash of all files, magisk-patched AP, BL, CP Home_CSC in only one odin session which I will try as soon as the next update will be available.
Did anyone tried exactly that procedure in that order ?
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