I went to the nj samsung store and showed the tint. The rep turned the color to warm (far right) and that seemed to be working for me in adaptive display.
Screen tint issue?
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Not sure what i should do. The other issue is that even a few degrees tilt of the phone from straight on view causes a color shift. Things get much whiter from basic or other pre set modes. In fact if that was the color all the time would be happy.
My s7 edge is just as or even more yellow except cinema mode where more blue white. There is no color shift at all until about 30*.
Note 8 at 5 or 10* will cause a shift.
I hope store will let me return it for this reason as there is no dead pixels or other hardware issues.
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My s7 edge is just as or even more yellow except cinema mode where more blue white. There is no color shift at all until about 30*.
Note 8 at 5 or 10* will cause a shift.
I hope store will let me return it for this reason as there is no dead pixels or other hardware issues.
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I hope you're able to swap it, at least. Everyone's eyes are different so what some may see you might not. If tinkering around with the advanced color options has satisfied you I hope you find another unit that does.
I hate screen tints. Some notice them, some don't. I've had complaints about screen tints on most electronic devices. Some people see them and some don't. When I return a device, I don't give a reason. I just make sure to return it within the return period. If pressed, I'll just say that I don't like how the screen looks and leave it at that.
I used to be really aggressive about returning devices with screen flaws that I could see. Then I realized that there really is no perfect screen and just about every screen has some flaw, if you look for it. Nature of the game, I guess.
I used to be really aggressive about returning devices with screen flaws that I could see. Then I realized that there really is no perfect screen and just about every screen has some flaw, if you look for it. Nature of the game, I guess.
I have mine on adaptive and it looks amazing. I just leave it on that. Seems this is the best looking setting. Don't know why you would use the others.
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The Note 8 has the best screen on the market right now.
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The Note 8 has the best screen on the market right now.
I've embraced the pink. Currently using basic mode with blue filter ON for added extra red tinge factor. LOL I'm actually getting to like it.
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Good luck with your return shennagans lottery and energy.I lost my resolve doing that ****e a few years ago. Instead use my energy feeding hungry kids in Africa. But I do see where you are coming from. If it's any consolation.
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I don't mind how it looks in adaptive mode. I can get whites how i like bit colors are oversaturated.
Issue for me is the color shift from more yellow tint to more blue at minimal offset.
If i could adjust screen temperature in photo mode would be better.
Will demo screen in store to see what I will do.
I realize it sounds picky but at retail 1300 for a phone like this my expectations are high
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Issue for me is the color shift from more yellow tint to more blue at minimal offset.
If i could adjust screen temperature in photo mode would be better.
Will demo screen in store to see what I will do.
I realize it sounds picky but at retail 1300 for a phone like this my expectations are high
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Doesn't sound picky at all. $1300 is a lot of cash. You have to be happy with your purchase. If not, you have to try and make it right.
I changed my mind and won't make that thread. I was only going to be lazy and do a quick and dirty comparison (didn't want to rent a spectro just for my phone).
DisplayMate already did this (didn't know they covered this phone in-depth).
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note8_ShootOut_100.htm
Summary:
Avoid Adaptive mode.
Adaptive does what it says. It adapts by making adjustments to brightness, contrast, saturation and tint based on the environmental light around you. This has a huge impact on our perception of color (see AVSForums if you want to know more).
Adaptive also boosts saturation at all levels regardless of environmental lighting. The R/G/B sliders only effect how strong this saturation boost is. No combination will ever make this mode even remotely close to being considered close enough perceptually (this is perceptual weighting is described via the JNCD rating--lower is better!).
Basic is the best choice for accurate color overall. BT.709 (movies) and sRGB (digital graphics/web graphics, etc. and are very similar to each other, which is what Basic uses.
By default the display will be set to DCI-P3 in a BT.2020 container (Adaptive/Cinema/Photo modes). Looking at BT.709/sRGB content on a BT.2020 display will not be accurate because the gamut is not only larger but rotated. If you pour a bucket (BT.2020/DCI-3P) half full of water (content like a movie) into cup (BT.709/sRGB) it obviously overflow once it's full. That's a lot of wasted water (over saturated colors).
Cinema is the the next best choice if you like the oversaturated colors from mismatched colorspaces.
Screen Modes do not apply to HDR10 content, as they have their own separate settings. DisplayMate didn't cover HDR, but I see no reason to adjust it based on a few of own measurements. This display is a hell of a lot better than my LG E6 which is has "reference" level of quality with a 3D LUT. Many movie studios use this model series for grading their movies.
The color shift you see when tilting the phone is normal. This happens to every display. This is not apparent on LCD/IPS displays because of how quickly brightness rolls off at offset angles.
The glass of the screen is the main contributor for OLEDs due to the polarizing/protective/glare reduction coatings that they use.
It's irritating but we can't really do anything about it.
To everyone who thinks Cinema/Photo/Basic look too red... this is not true.
I'm not trying to bash on any one by saying this, but because you think this is true is evidence enough that that you are used to looking at displays that are too cool (lack of red). HDTVs come from the factory like this as they will be out in the showroom floor at places like Walmart and Best Buy and usualy with a crap load of fluorescent lights which no one would have in their rooms (In short this means you will never get what you see on the floor. Some display issues can be very hard to notice or even hidden in such a viewing environment.) And how many people do you know who bother to even go into the display menu, let alone change the default thinking "it's brand new, and changing the defaults will mess it up!". Again, not trying bash anyone regarding this. Most people simply are not aware of it, or have misinformation from marketing (like the contrast ratio everywhere on the packaging...).
The phone in these three modes put out a VERY accurate D65 white which is defined in all standards used by this phone (BT.2020, DCI-P3, BT.709, sRGB and HDR10).
To be fair this white as defined therein is indeed a "Warm" light. If you want to know why D65 is used, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_illuminant
Set your display to Basic and use it for a few days without changing it and then go back to what you had. I think you will be surprised at what you see.
TL;DR:
Adaptive is very innacurate, and applies a boost to saturation at all levels. Adaptive is like Dynamic Contrast, Dynamic Color and auto backlight all in one--meaning this sucks.
Use Basic if you want an ISF calibration level of accuracy.
Use Cinema if you like/want more saturated colors than Basic (way better than Adaptive).
Display modes do not effect HDR content.
No Cinema/Photo/Basic do not have a red tint. You're used to looking at something that is too cool/blue.
DisplayMate already did this (didn't know they covered this phone in-depth).
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note8_ShootOut_100.htm
Summary:
Avoid Adaptive mode.
Adaptive does what it says. It adapts by making adjustments to brightness, contrast, saturation and tint based on the environmental light around you. This has a huge impact on our perception of color (see AVSForums if you want to know more).
Adaptive also boosts saturation at all levels regardless of environmental lighting. The R/G/B sliders only effect how strong this saturation boost is. No combination will ever make this mode even remotely close to being considered close enough perceptually (this is perceptual weighting is described via the JNCD rating--lower is better!).
Basic is the best choice for accurate color overall. BT.709 (movies) and sRGB (digital graphics/web graphics, etc. and are very similar to each other, which is what Basic uses.
By default the display will be set to DCI-P3 in a BT.2020 container (Adaptive/Cinema/Photo modes). Looking at BT.709/sRGB content on a BT.2020 display will not be accurate because the gamut is not only larger but rotated. If you pour a bucket (BT.2020/DCI-3P) half full of water (content like a movie) into cup (BT.709/sRGB) it obviously overflow once it's full. That's a lot of wasted water (over saturated colors).
Cinema is the the next best choice if you like the oversaturated colors from mismatched colorspaces.
Screen Modes do not apply to HDR10 content, as they have their own separate settings. DisplayMate didn't cover HDR, but I see no reason to adjust it based on a few of own measurements. This display is a hell of a lot better than my LG E6 which is has "reference" level of quality with a 3D LUT. Many movie studios use this model series for grading their movies.
The color shift you see when tilting the phone is normal. This happens to every display. This is not apparent on LCD/IPS displays because of how quickly brightness rolls off at offset angles.
The glass of the screen is the main contributor for OLEDs due to the polarizing/protective/glare reduction coatings that they use.
It's irritating but we can't really do anything about it.
To everyone who thinks Cinema/Photo/Basic look too red... this is not true.
I'm not trying to bash on any one by saying this, but because you think this is true is evidence enough that that you are used to looking at displays that are too cool (lack of red). HDTVs come from the factory like this as they will be out in the showroom floor at places like Walmart and Best Buy and usualy with a crap load of fluorescent lights which no one would have in their rooms (In short this means you will never get what you see on the floor. Some display issues can be very hard to notice or even hidden in such a viewing environment.) And how many people do you know who bother to even go into the display menu, let alone change the default thinking "it's brand new, and changing the defaults will mess it up!". Again, not trying bash anyone regarding this. Most people simply are not aware of it, or have misinformation from marketing (like the contrast ratio everywhere on the packaging...).
The phone in these three modes put out a VERY accurate D65 white which is defined in all standards used by this phone (BT.2020, DCI-P3, BT.709, sRGB and HDR10).
To be fair this white as defined therein is indeed a "Warm" light. If you want to know why D65 is used, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_illuminant
Set your display to Basic and use it for a few days without changing it and then go back to what you had. I think you will be surprised at what you see.
TL;DR:
Adaptive is very innacurate, and applies a boost to saturation at all levels. Adaptive is like Dynamic Contrast, Dynamic Color and auto backlight all in one--meaning this sucks.
Use Basic if you want an ISF calibration level of accuracy.
Use Cinema if you like/want more saturated colors than Basic (way better than Adaptive).
Display modes do not effect HDR content.
No Cinema/Photo/Basic do not have a red tint. You're used to looking at something that is too cool/blue.
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Riddle me this, the word "warm" in display terms , what does this mean?
I was under the impression it meant short wavelength is color ,eg yellow .
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I was under the impression it meant short wavelength is color ,eg yellow .
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Agree with all you say. However the color shift when tilting the screen is huge. My s7 edge required a tilt of 30*to see the color change. Here only a few degrees makes the yellowish basic mode turn white. Happens in all directions. It is hard to get used to a temperature when it switches with such little movement of the screen
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You pretty much nailed it.
We see more greens than any other part of the spectrum. The only two primaries left are red and blue.... Thus, warm or cool.
Fun fact: If you're into metal you may know of "traditional" black metal. This is described as cold, frozen or like a blizzard. The "traditional" classification refers not only to the regions where it first because VERY popular (Norway, Sweden, that part of Europe), but also the trademark tremolo picking.
Back when I first heard it (black metal tremolo) I thought I was listening to something recorded live at an outdoor concert and thought "damn these guys have some hardcore dedication for playing when it's so cold the guitarist can't stop shaking but keep's the show going. Shortly after I learned the truth and immediately got rid of that "crap".
At that time I knew nothing outside of what the local radio stations would play (Metalica, Slayer, Megadeth, etc. The usual stuff. It's thanks to the pre-Metallica era of Napster that my eyes, and ears, were opened to all this music I'd never hear on any radio station for any genre of music). ~15 years later--early last year--I woke up and spontaneously had the desire to try and understand why some people like that crap (any "blackend", "black" "death" and all extreme/brutal metal). I absolutely hated any of that in the past and but now I really enjoy it. Understanding that vocals is an instrument and NOT lyrics was the turning point. My love of Cthulhu/lovecraftian mythos and Middle-Earth also helped (started with bands like Summoning (Lord of the Rings concept albums) and The Great Old Ones (Cthulhu/Lovecraft concept band).
Sorry, going off topic here
Hmm. Is the viewing angle tint worse to whites/greys notably more pronounced than it is with secondary colors? Typically this type of color shift is seen in whites/greys and near white colors, so if it's just as visible or more so with colors then you indeed have an issue that can hopefully be controlled with some built in options. I'm assuming you've checked your apps/widgets/services for anything suspicious.
I don't suppose you have something like FLUX /CF.Lumen/Twilight/etc installed or running, right? I think I had an exposed module or perhaps something I did with busybox on my HTC Inspire.
Try resetting the adaptive and auto brightness behavior history. (Settings > Display > Auto brightness: Click the name and NOT the toggle button.)
Also, double check that you have the Blue Light Filter disabled AND click the name to check that it's not scheduled to turn it's self on. (Settings > Display > Blue Light Filter > Turn on as scheduled = OFF)
How does grayscale mode look? (Settings > Accessibility > Vision > Grayscale on/off). Note: Grayscale mode should be slightly "cool". This actually disables the picture mode effects (Adaptive/Cinema/Photo/Basic).
There is also the "Color Adjustment" option in there too (I've never had a reason to use it, to lazy to find out what it does. I'm assuming its to tweak for color blindness)
There is a(nother?) color blindness setting in the Developer Options. Looks like general presets to adjust the display's gamut to better match your biological native gamut (not strictly color "blindness". You unwillingly sacrifice part of the color spectrum an average human sees, but you gain parts at the ends ala ultra violet/infrared).
How about Negative Colors, are they really inverted? (compare negative color mode to a screenshot, or a picture from another camera, and use Paint.net/GIMP are free and both can invert color).
Contacts, glasses, screen protectors and even the light around you will effect your perception of color from the screen.
It's possible that the polarizing filter, oleophobic coating (anti-fingerprint) and/or anti-glare coating could have been applied from the wrong direction. What I mean is something like the direction when cutting with the grain vs cutting against the grain.
Sometimes you can get get an idea of how much if any of this makes a difference with looking for this this through cameras or polarized glasses (rainbow effects, and the shape(s) of the rainbow, and uniformity/thickness/shape/how visible they are).
If nothing else, you could try setting the screen for max brightness and make it show a PURE 100% white screen for a few hours. A slightly better option might be to leave some animated colored noise running for a few hours. As long as it's the whole screen without any buttons or toolbars you won't get burn in (every subpixel will age evenly).
Don't let the auto dimming kick in--this is an OLED display "feature" and not to be confused with the auto brightness option. The Smart Stay option is useful for this (Settings > Advanced Features > Smart Stay: ON)
The point of this is just get out of the "break in" period. I wouldn't try to calibrate an HDTV OLED from LG unless at LEAST 200 hours of screen-on time. This Samsung panel is way better than those, and does not get nearly has hot. This DID help viewing angle white balance temperature on my LG E6 when comparing my notes from 2500 hours ago of screen on time (screen is more uniform instead of being split greenish on top and cooler on bottom quarter with an oval area that is unchanged from edge to edge (shape of affected areas that were tinted looked like a widescreen vignette centered in the middle)
For reference, On my Note 8 I can see tinting in whites/greys after ~8-16° or more in viewing angle and colors need double that before it starts tinting.
Interesting observation noted. If in basic mode, turn on blue light filter, then with the slider adjust the blue light opacity or whatever it called to min value. The basic mode now looks less pink and cooler somewhat.
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This is true but if you then goo into display settings toy will see that you are no longer in basic mode
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Color shift goes from more yellow tint to more blue /white or cooler.
Actually prefer it to the face in color.
The only way to change the color temp it balance is in adaptive display mode. Unfortunately this mantra screen easy over saturated. Too bad they don't have a user defined setting where we can tweak saturation as well as screen temp and color.
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I see no yellow on my panel, it's either red or blue.
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Well when I comparedmy screen to the stores demos at 4 different site's it was obvious that on a white background my screen was much warmer. Whites seemed now yellowish. Tilting screen too left or right a few degrees would make screen much white.
In adapt display the store demos without adjustments were much more blue then mine.
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In adapt display the store demos without adjustments were much more blue then mine.
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