SIM restrictions on unlocked European Note3

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jharps

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How does leaving cheaper Asian phones unlocked -- so that they continue to work in the west and offer western consumers the new advantage of avoiding the whole unlocking hassle -- discourage the flow of products from east to west?

Just to confirm that Philippine Note 3s are not region locked (at least according to the message I received from the official Samsung Mobile Philippines page on Facebook). Here's the pertinent part of the message:

"Hi .... We looked into this with our tech support and there is no region lock that applies in our Note 3."

I haven't yet purchased one so I can't verify if it's true. If I do decide to, I'll let you know what I discover.
 
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Mustajab Is'haq

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you could always root via de la vega so it won't trip knox.

I've read that Root De La Vega does not support MJ7 yet.

I'm going to wait for the S5 and a few more colors for N3. If the S5 is too expensive and or like the S4, I'll close my eyes and order a Note 3!

i actually just used regional code away by chainfire and it unlocked my simlock, but i get no signal strength bar or provider info but i called my landline and it rang, weird hehe but seems to work, i will check it out further tomorrow

UPDATE: Actually i do get a signal bar just its unexpectedly on the top righthand side and apparently it naturally does not mention the provider name..

Are you coming from an iPhone?
Android phones do not have a provider name in the Status bar. Some carriers do put their name but you wont ever see a provider name (in the status bar) in an unlocked android phone.
 

louiscar

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Just to confirm that Philippine Note 3s are not region locked (at least according to the message I received from the official Samsung Mobile Philippines page on Facebook). Here's the pertinent part of the message:

"Hi .... We looked into this with our tech support and there is no region lock that applies in our Note 3."

I haven't yet purchased one so I can't verify if it's true. If I do decide to, I'll let you know what I discover.

I understand that the reason they don't have region lock is that it's illegal in Malaysia (Philippines firmware is same as Malaysia just to be clear).

Meanwhile can anyone confirm that the firmware that their UK phones (sim free) came with. I'm still wondering if I should keep my Malaysian phone and accept the Malaysian warranty - at least I'll be able to root the device but from what I can see (or assume) the UK phones come with MJ4 or MJ7 so rooting isn't possible without tripping knox and it's looking like that will never get solved.
 

tmj12

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Hi
Mine had no region locked stickers at all just the blue Samsung seals.
When I called and registered it with Samsung UK they said it had 24 months warranty worldwide and that's live on my account now
There are certainly a few flavours of this phone but if yours originates from Malaysia it should not be locked nor region locked to their local laws in their country which makes it illegal to do this
Have you checked your firmware as being XME and if so have you checked your CSC file for Network Locked country codes?

I thought the Note 3 comes with 12 months warranty only? How did you manage to register with Samsung UK if the phone was bought from Malaysia? Do they not conduct any check or verification that the phone did not originate from the UK?
 

jetskibill

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I thought the Note 3 comes with 12 months warranty only? How did you manage to register with Samsung UK if the phone was bought from Malaysia? Do they not conduct any check or verification that the phone did not originate from the UK?

I called Samsung UK and registered it with them after asking a general question.
The rep took my IMEI and serial number, verified it and logged it on their systems confirming a 24 month warranty
The rep confirmed that this had 24 months manufacturers warranty as do all Samsung phones see below from their website:

Product: Mobile phone
General information: Ensure your device is running the latest software update and backup your device before a repair
Warranty service: Same unit repair via pick up / recorded delivery service
Warranty period: 24 months
 
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louiscar

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I thought the Note 3 comes with 12 months warranty only? How did you manage to register with Samsung UK if the phone was bought from Malaysia? Do they not conduct any check or verification that the phone did not originate from the UK?

same as jetskibill. I registered on the site but via the account which took only the serial number. When speaking to Samsung they said the phone does have a 24 month warranty (standard - there's a list of what products carry a 2 year and which do not) but initially neglected to tell me that the warranty would be handled in Malaysia.
 

midnite_blue

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three points & possibilities... #3

[28-Oct]''activation" and ''attestation:'' ...perhaps “activation” of the SIM follows a similar “attestation” process as for Knox in which according to Samsung (https://www.samsungknox.com/overview/technical-details):

Samsung provides attestation capability for mobile devices, more specifically, the ability to check the integrity of the boot loaders and the kernel. The foundation of attestation is the device's unique public/private key pair. In the factory, each device is provisioned a unique pair of public/private keys along with a certificate for the public key, which is signed by a Samsung root private key. At attestation time, an attestation server sends a random challenge to the device to be tested. An app in the TrustZone retrieves the measurements of the boot loaders and the kernel, signs these measurements along with the random challenge and sends result back to the attestation server for final verification.

...I am wondering whether Samsung’s insistence on “activation” to release the regional SIM lock might involve a similar external challenge/verification "attestation" process to return to a Samsung server the details of the unique device and of the SIM (including its MCC), signed by the unique keys. The result could be verification by the Samsung server and release (somehow) of the regional lock?


Does anyone else find this possibility interesting?

If Samsung's ''activation'' was designed to unlock region-locked phones via an OTA registration or ''attestation'' process, I wonder a) if it played a significant role in the failure of the official procedure to reliably unlock Region Lock #1 and b) if in an attempt to increase reliability it's been changed with the new (starting with MJ7?) Region Lock #2.

One of the clues to this is a new emphasis -- in official statements on Region Lock #2 -- on performing the activation of the phone in the country it was intended to be sold in.

Anyone know if the ''attestation servers'' Samsung refers to, in the quote dxzh provided, are maintained nationally, regionally or globally?
 
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I would like to add picture of Note 3 ' which brought from Germany! They have region sim lock.

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imdogdream

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i am in Costa Rica now and got n9005 from amazon, and they sent me european model
and I am not able to use the phone.

Already rooted and tried region lock away by chainfire.

do you know any good site where i can get 'sim network unlock pin'?

this is really annoying.

thank you ahead.
 

arkin56

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I think puman.ru do the job for unlocking this phones? Can anyone suggest this site? I myself is in search for unlock code.
 

jetskibill

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Still no Network lock in my MJ7 Malaysian firmware

I think puman.ru do the job for unlocking this phones? Can anyone suggest this site? I myself is in search for unlock code.

I've just upgraded my firmware to the latest Malaysian MJ7 and it still has no reference to any Network Locks in the CSC file so that's good news
I would suggest that the Malaysian ones are the ones to buy as they have no issues with region lock
 

midnite_blue

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Intentionally frustrating... part 1

As end-users, we naturally look at region locking as a restriction to our use. Restricting us, of course, isn't the ultimate objective for Samsung... they're using our reaction to having our movement and choice restricted as a means to a different end. They want something more from us than just our freedom... and it's a multi-million dollar per month objective.

In the first 60 days of the Note 3 being on the market, we bought 10 million units at quite a range of prices. There was competition... between the Samsung-authorized distribution network -- where a lot of people paid top dollar -- and a parallel system of resellers who, relying heavily on Internet commerce, sold many of us the same phone at deeply discounted prices. Had we bought all 10 million N3's at the discount price during that 60-day period, we would have spent 3.4M USD less than if we'd paid top dollar for them all.

With such a significant amount of our cash in the balance, Samsung decided to swing things in its favor. After all, if to that figure -- $3.4M annualized against sales projections -- you add the analogous potential swing in annual sales for all the other phones Samsung intends to region lock, then you easily have an eight-figure pot of gold. That's our money, which Samsung believes it could get its hands on if it could only eliminate the independent resellers who a) are buying phones in bulk lots locally and distributing them globally and b) appear to be satisfied with a much smaller profit margin than Samsung wants to take.

Samsung's refusal to perform out-of-region repairs has been targeted at eliminating this competition, but it just hasn't been enough to kill it off.

So someone high up at Samsung Electronics demanded a fix and the organization responded with region locking: rigging phones which are likely to wind up wholesale in the hands of freemarket resellers... with a software lock Samsung could control over the air.

While the legality of this strategy could be questioned, it's well designed for meeting the task Samsung had set out for itself, taking advantage of its market dominance and the vulnerability of the reseller.

Only Samsung has the resources to be a wholesaler in every market. With region locking, the much smaller free-market resellers, many of whom are buying phones one lot at a time and don't have the capital to buy bulk lots in every market, are now incented to stop selling those phones outside the region they bought them from, since consumers would end up with phones that are useless to them.

We all know what happened next: Samsung Electronics' senior management decided to embed this software lock into all Note 3's without telling anyone, not even their employees, bringing a big surprise to market along with the phone. Many consumers preordered the phone with no idea about the soft lock they were receiving or bought the N3 subsequent to launch and in the approved region, accepting Samsung's word that the unlocking process was simple and straightforward.


i am in Costa Rica now and got n9005 from amazon, and they sent me european model
and I am not able to use the phone....


Others, like you, imdogdream, have purchased out-of-region phones through the Internet and found themselves either paying roaming charges for local calls or not being able to use their phones at all. Your Amazon purchase is precisely the transaction Samsung was targeting with region locking. Even people who bought their phones over a year ago are experiencing what you have, due to Samsung's rolling out of region locking through the firmware-updating process.
 
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imdogdream

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yeah i felt crap when i got the phone cuz at amazon it said it was UNLOCKED.
guy who was selling it didn't specified anything about region lock and i wasn't aware of it.

in costa rica they don't sell note 3 officially, you only can buy through re-sellers which cost me about $1000 around.
and they only selll n9000 exynos one, and i wanted snapdragon quad-core.

although i met GOD named puman.ru and he gave me code for $24 bucks and it's working great!

what i can guarantee is if Samsung keeps this stupid region lock thing my next phone will NOT BE SAMSUNG DEFINITELY.

ps. thanks for all xda guys who gave me reference to puman.ru website
ps2. i recommend highly puman.ru guys.
ps3. happy holidays~
ps4. I WANNA BUY PS4!!!

As end-users, we naturally look at region locking as a restriction to our use. Restricting us, of course, isn't the ultimate objective for Samsung... they're using our reaction to having our movement and choice restricted as a means to a different end. They want something more from us than just our freedom... and it's a multi-million dollar per month objective.

In the first 60 days of the Note 3 being on the market, we bought 10 million units at quite a range of prices. There was competition... between the Samsung-authorized distribution network -- where a lot of people paid top dollar -- and a parallel system of resellers who, relying heavily on Internet commerce, sold many of us the same phone at deeply discounted prices. Had we bought all 10 million N3's at the discount price during that 60-day period, we would have spent 3.4M USD less than if we'd paid top dollar for them all.

With such a significant amount of our cash in the balance, Samsung decided to swing things in its favor. After all, if to that figure -- $3.4M annualized against sales projections -- you add the analogous potential swing in annual sales for all the other phones Samsung intends to region lock, then you easily have an eight-figure pot of gold. That's our money, which Samsung believes it could get its hands on if it could only eliminate the independent resellers who a) are buying phones in bulk lots locally and distributing them globally and b) appear to be satisfied with a much smaller profit margin than Samsung wants to take.

Samsung's refusal to perform out-of-region repairs has been targeted at eliminating this competition, but it just hasn't been enough to kill it off.

So someone high up at Samsung Electronics demanded a fix and the organization responded with region locking: rigging phones which are likely to wind up wholesale in the hands of freemarket resellers... with a software lock Samsung could control over the air.

While the legality of this strategy could be questioned, it's well designed for meeting the task Samsung had set out for itself, taking advantage of its market dominance and the vulnerability of the reseller.

Only Samsung has the resources to be a wholesaler in every market. With region locking, the much smaller free-market resellers, many of whom are buying phones one lot at a time and don't have the capital to buy bulk lots in every market, are now incented to stop selling those phones outside the region they bought them from, since consumers would end up with phones that are useless to them.

We all know what happened next: Samsung Electronics' senior management decided to embed this software lock into all Note 3's without telling anyone, not even their employees, bringing a big surprise to market along with the phone. Many consumers preordered the phone with no idea about the soft lock they were receiving or bought the N3 subsequent to launch and in the approved region, accepting Samsung's word that the unlocking process was simple and straightforward.





Others, like you, imdogdream, have purchased out-of-region phones through the Internet and found themselves either paying roaming charges for local calls or not being able to use their phones at all. Your Amazon purchase is precisely the transaction Samsung was targeting with region locking. Even people who bought their phones over a year ago are experiencing what you have, due to Samsung's rolling out of region locking through the firmware-updating process.
 
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Glad it worked... and happy holidays to you, too! I guess Santa moved to Moscow. : )

I bought a car thru the Internet some years ago. I would have been royally ticked off if it had arrived without the key.
 

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First I have a note3 from UK! My Belgium SIM didn't work! Yes sort of, call was working! But when I try to send a sms, then my signal was gone! I try to call my voicemail and get a voice that my phone was blocked for security reasons! I have now a German note3 and everything works fine! Strange!

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Your analysis has to be right on.

When I first heard of this region lock I thought that it would soon be sorted out - but it hasn't been and the mysterious opacity coming from Samsung where none of the representatives of the company have come up with a consistent or clear explanation on the nature of region lock or how to eliminate the region lock points to the truth of your analysis.

I have probably sold a few of these phones for Samsung through showing off the many cool features of this phone to friends, but now I feel bad having done so.
I love this phone but Samsung is acting piggish here and even though I am not affected by region lock as I have the SM-N900T I am so disgusted by this anti customer policy that I will not again buy Samsung.


As end-users, we naturally look at region locking as a restriction to our use. Restricting us, of course, isn't the ultimate objective for Samsung... they're using our reaction to having our movement and choice restricted as a means to a different end. They want something more from us than just our freedom... and it's a multi-million dollar per month objective.

In the first 60 days of the Note 3 being on the market, we bought 10 million units at quite a range of prices. There was competition... between the Samsung-authorized distribution network -- where a lot of people paid top dollar -- and a parallel system of resellers who, relying heavily on Internet commerce, sold many of us the same phone at deeply discounted prices. Had we bought all 10 million N3's at the discount price during that 60-day period, we would have spent 3.4M USD less than if we'd paid top dollar for them all.

With such a significant amount of our cash in the balance, Samsung decided to swing things in its favor. After all, if to that figure -- $3.4M annualized against sales projections -- you add the analogous potential swing in annual sales for all the other phones Samsung intends to region lock, then you easily have an eight-figure pot of gold. That's our money, which Samsung believes it could get its hands on if it could only eliminate the independent resellers who a) are buying phones in bulk lots locally and distributing them globally and b) appear to be satisfied with a much smaller profit margin than Samsung wants to take.

Samsung's refusal to perform out-of-region repairs has been targeted at eliminating this competition, but it just hasn't been enough to kill it off.

So someone high up at Samsung Electronics demanded a fix and the organization responded with region locking: rigging phones which are likely to wind up wholesale in the hands of freemarket resellers... with a software lock Samsung could control over the air.

While the legality of this strategy could be questioned, it's well designed for meeting the task Samsung had set out for itself, taking advantage of its market dominance and the vulnerability of the reseller.

Only Samsung has the resources to be a wholesaler in every market. With region locking, the much smaller free-market resellers, many of whom are buying phones one lot at a time and don't have the capital to buy bulk lots in every market, are now incented to stop selling those phones outside the region they bought them from, since consumers would end up with phones that are useless to them.

We all know what happened next: Samsung Electronics' senior management decided to embed this software lock into all Note 3's without telling anyone, not even their employees, bringing a big surprise to market along with the phone. Many consumers preordered the phone with no idea about the soft lock they were receiving or bought the N3 subsequent to launch and in the approved region, accepting Samsung's word that the unlocking process was simple and straightforward.





Others, like you, imdogdream, have purchased out-of-region phones through the Internet and found themselves either paying roaming charges for local calls or not being able to use their phones at all. Your Amazon purchase is precisely the transaction Samsung was targeting with region locking. Even people who bought their phones over a year ago are experiencing what you have, due to Samsung's rolling out of region locking through the firmware-updating process.
 
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an unusual report...

First I have a note3 from UK! My Belgium SIM didn't work! Yes sort of, call was working! But when I try to send a sms, then my signal was gone! I try to call my voicemail and get a voice that my phone was blocked for security reasons! I have now a German note3 and everything works fine! Strange!

Yeah, really strange... but good news that the phone you have now is working! I remember from back in October you wanted a German phone in first place. : )

I assume you used the same Belgian sim & network provider with both phones.

Do you know from your customer.xml file if your first phone was actually built for the UK?

It's probably too late to pull info about the firmware version codes and manufacture date from your first phone, but I'm guessing your German-sourced phone came with a later firmware build. Moving from your first phone to your second one, you may have actually transitioned from Region Lock 1 to Region Lock 2.

If you wouldn't mind looking up (*#12580*369# on your stock phone dialer) the AP, CP & CSC firmware version codes and your RF Cal date of manufacture , it would be interesting if you could share that here. It would also be valuable if you a) looked inside your customer.xml file to see if you have any lines of code there that include the term 'NetworkLock' and, if so, b) found out what would happen if you tried using a non-European sim.

Some Samsung reps have said you have to be in the same country the phone was manufactured for when you conduct the activation process. Some of us believe that, at the time your in-region sim is pairing with your phone, there's also a registration process... that your phone has to connect with a Samsung server in order to complete the match and allow your sim to function. Given your proximity to Germany, it's possible that Belgians and Germans are connecting to the same server, while your earlier phone's attempt to connect with a UK server was incomplete.

This is just speculation, but I wonder if your original phone connected with the UK's server adequately enough to complete part but not all of the registration process.

Hmm... I'd be interested in hearing other people's ideas about what caused your strange findings!
 
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    give me a N3 and we will see...

    i don't get what all the fuss is about, people in israel keep getting USA phones that are locked and just unlock them to sim free
    no one ever said a thing about it, USA cellphone is locked to a single operator is OK for every one
    now samsung made it locked to all EU operators but did the mistake and called it "unlocked" and not "eu unlocked" or "eu locked" big deal

    i unlocked USA phones and will unlock EU phones, the earth still goes on.... no one died


    why?

    The reason people are nervous is straightforward:

    1) The phones claim to be "Unlocked' - they are not.

    2) There is no evidence that traditional unlock methods will work -
    a) I have discussed this with my source for unlocking phones by code - he unlocks about 100,000 phones a year, and has access to all the databases. He has never heard of such a thing, and is not confident that codes will be available.
    b) Software solutions may or may not be available. Even so, not everybody is technical enough (or wants) to start butchering their phones. Further, we have customers who need these phones unlocked for network-testing purposes. They are aware of the software-unlock methods and do not want that as they claim it messes with the phone's firmware.

    3) No one was informed of this before they purchased the device. Even the largest distributors (10s of thousands of phones - not retailers) only found out about it today.and have no answers

    This is totally different than just purchasing an AT&T phone from the USA and getting it unlocked in Israel. Everybody knows how to do it and where to get it done. However, nobody knows how to do this phone, or if it even can be unlocked as this is a new type of lock that nobody yet understands or has successfully unlocked.

    We also have these phone on our website, and we had to call each one of our customers that pre-ordered and explain the situation. Some didn't mind, and some were really pissed off and cancelled the orders.

    I hope you are correct, and we can all pay our $20.00 and get the code. However, that remains to be seen.

    And, on an OEM, carrier-unbranded device that can cost $900, and claims to be "factory unlocked" but is not, it is just bad business IMHO.


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    From my Twitter ...

    Aaaaand.... I just region unlocked my Note 3. FU Samsung.

    ( I locked out my current carrier, tested I could no longer make phone calls, then unlocked it again, et voila )

    I need a tester (with root) who has a SIM card that isn't working in his or her Note3. For verification. Then, app incoming.

    'nuff said !
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    There'll be an app release soon enough.

    If you don't want root for other reasons, it is indeed unfortunate you currently need it for this. Rooting (via CF-Auto-Root) does void KNOX warranty (irreversable), however, if you use the unroot option in SuperSU, and flash back a stock kernel and recovery, OTAs will work again. Note that it is possible to root without tripping KNOX warranty using a customized system partition, I'm sure someone has made or will make one sooner or later.

    It is theoretically feasable to do this without root, but a lot tougher to make and maintain, with the information I currently have. I'm certain there is a way to improve this, I just haven't found it yet - and as I'm a full on root user, I doubt I will spend more time looking for it.
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    Latest News - Oct 9th 2013 - Clove, who specialise in sim-free/unlocked phones have suggested
    that the Russian unlocking service at:
    http://puman.ru/?selectlanguage=English
    may be a solution for those concerned about the regional lock.
    More info in the Clove blog at:
    http://blog.clove.co.uk/2013/09/25/samsung-galaxy-note-3-sim-limitations/


    Whether or not the Note 3 Verizon (US) "Developer Edition" will be regionally locked remains to be seen,
    At least the bootloader will, according to reports, be unlocked.
    More skimpy details at the Samsung/Verizon page at: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N900VMKEVZW

    More Recent News - Oct 6th 2013 - Chainfire appears to have created an app to
    get round region locking for the Galaxy Note 3 SM-N9005 (MI7 firmware) and rooted
    You can buy Chainfire a beer (£1.99) by downloading the app from the Play Store at:
    http://pkg.to/eu.chainfire.regionlockaway

    There is also a thread started by Chainfire at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46187852 where meanies(!) can download it free.


    Recent News (01:30 Oct 3rd 2013)
    Android Authority: Galaxy Note 3 region lock is an issue after all, Android 4.4 update may lock older Galaxy handsets http://goo.gl/KjgVwc


    Previous news (1st Oct 2013)

    A significant number of users still claim they can't use "out of region" sims despite having first used a sim for the region the Note 3 was intended for which is the way Samsung have said is the way to 'unlock' the regional sim lock.

    A number of users in this thread who found their Note3 was still region locked despite following the Samsung advice have successfully unlocked their Note3 regional lock using a Russian unlocking web site at http://puman.ru/ Although I am the OP of this thread, I do not have an out of region Sim to test this out myself - so no guarantees but read the posts!

    Pics say it all. The Note 3 "unlocked" models are still locked to regions like DVD's and thus not very attractive to globetrotters or international purchasers who are being asked to pay £600 or so for a crippled device.
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    Health warning: the message below is worrying.

    I spoke yet again to the Samsung UK customer service team (+44 330 726 7864) this afternoon (at 5:40pm GMT) as I had not received the email I had been promised this morning with a statement on the region lock. A different rep spoke to me and had the following news to report to me:

    - the Samsung UK telephone staff have had problems sending out emails today and therefore have not sent out the statement to me - which was fine by me as these things happen.

    - the SIM limitation sticker really is meant to mean what it says - the N9005 is not meant to be compatible with SIMs issued by operators outside the European region - I believe at least some owners are using the Note 3 with SIMs issued by operators outside the EU but the rep was adamant that the Note 3 was not intended by Samsung to be used with SIMs issued by operators outside of the European region, even following first activation.

    - the European region Note 3s are only meant to be compatible with SIMs issued by operators from the European region, and this applies equally after activation - I asked repeatedly her to confirm this which she did each time. I tried practical examples too and it got worse: So if I go to Australia I must use a European region SIM in my Note 3 even if I buy the Note 3 SIM-free for £620? Yes according to the rep. So I asked if I go to Florida on vacation, I have no choice but to use a European region SIM in my Note 3? Yes again according to rep.

    - it makes no difference if here in the UK I buy the Note 3 from Carphone Warehouse, Phones 4U, EE or Clove.

    - I could buy another phone if I wanted to use a SIM from an operator outside the EU in my mobile - the rep volunteered this to me as it never occurred to me that they might seriously suggest such a policy.

    - the rollout of Kitkat is to extend the regional lock to existing SGS3s and Note 2s - I asked if my existing unlocked SGS3 bought unlocked over a year ago is to be subject to the same regional lock if I upgrade. Yes according to rep. So I would not be able to use a SIM from outside the European region in it when travelling? Yes according to the rep.

    - no statement can be sent in an email to me by the Samsung UK telephone team to confirm this in writing.

    - I can email [email protected] with any questions but it might take up to 24 hours to respond. When I pointed out to the rep that I had already done just this, emailing [email protected] on Friday evening (27th) and not had a response in over 50 hours (including after checking my spam folder), I was told that sometimes the email team are very busy and she could not say for sure when I would receive a response to any question.

    I have asked to get a call back from the Tier 2 rep who I spoke to on Friday (27th) but in the meanwhile I can only stand gobsmacked by the apparent madness of this corporate policy. For example:

    - Samsung cannot even implement a draconian region lock policy (if that is what they really intend) properly and consistently - given that some European Note 3s with the European regional lock sticker are reported to be being activated and then successfully used outside the home region with SIMs issued by operators outside the home region - while others are able to activate with home region SIM but not then able to use out of region SIMs when travelling.

    - Samsung (whether through its local offices, PR companies or employees) can brief against itself so that some Samsung offices will say one thing and others possibly within the same office, something completely different, on the same day, and day after day.

    - the utter, utter lack of leadership from Samsung Global (Electronics) to coordinate and communicate their own policy (whether that policy is good or bad is almost irrelevant) clearly, consistently and transparently - or to communicate it at all.

    - complete confusion among retailers, and among Samsung reps talking to retailers, here in the UK as to Samsung's region lock policy, to the extent they are even aware in the first place of the region lock policy and how it operates - which, from first hand exerience, I can say many are not.