So I had half a weekend to play with the Note 3, what did I think?

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NZtechfreak

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Hi everyone,

I got a good few hours with the Galaxy Note 3 over the weekend, so I thought I might drop a line about my experiences with the phone :)

This was the S800 version, and it had the AB binning of that SoC :)

[UPDATE]

Actually I looked into the bin situation some more after some of the enquiries here. The network guy I was in contact with said it was the AB binning as it was clocked at 2.3Ghz. I took that as read and hence posted that information here, however it looks as if even at the 2.3Ghz clockspeed there are two binnings for the GPU speed. Bottom line I can't categorically state this is AB bin, my apologies for the lack of clarity there everyone.

Here is what the Voodoo Report says, as you can see it depends on whether the 0007 revision corresponds to the AB bin:

Hardware : Qualcomm MSM 8974 (Flattened Device Tree)
Revision : 0007


Firstly, while its very subjective I really loved the faux-leather back. I like that there is now no 'correct' orientation for inserting the S-Pen, and that the S-Pen works with the capacitive buttons. The screen was set to the Film mode and was very good, no complaints whatsoever about pixel density, seemed a fair amount brighter than my S4 when out taking shots with it. It flew with the S800 of course, hardly surprising given it wasn't loaded with apps and has that much power at its disposal. Finally going to the widgets section didn't lag like crazy as per previous versions of TW. Although there were only a handful of contacts loaded, which may have made a difference, I did revel in seeing no lag whatsoever launching the contacts app (finally!). Running PPSSPP as a graphics stress test it managed ~23fps on Tekken Dark Resurrection, which is starting to get up into the playable realm (my Octa S4 for reference manages only ~11fps). On less demanding games results even better - Disgaia Afternoon of Darkness was basically perfect running full speed with sound and with frameskipping turned off (which makes me extremely happy). The S800 still isn't up to playing 1080p 10-bit video, which was to be expected. It did manage it slightly better than older SoCs though, so perhaps in the next 1-2 generations of SoCs we'll see this become doable. My time with it was too short to make any sensible comment about battery life, sorry.


Here is the RAM situation, seems the Exynos version has about 300Mb more free RAM going off Sammobiles, but here is a screen from the S800 version:

BUCQWtJCYAADiRr.jpg:small



Free storage ~25Gb, a pleasant surprise as I expected less:

BUCK1N2CYAAfuVY.jpg:small



I was really surprised (and pleased) to find rapidly accessible defaults management is available:

BUCQgtTCIAILQtT.jpg:small



It let's you choose the colour of the screen visible in the S-View cover:

BUCMN9nCUAAwsKH.jpg:small



The have further expanded one-handed use settings, in this slightly strange one you can run everything in a little window with onscreen buttons if you wanted (!):

BUCQNCjIcAAg3Wd.jpg:small



I made a camera comparison and the shots are up at Flickr here. Included with the Note 3 are the Xperia Z1 I also had and an S4 and Pureview 808. Methods: All shots on auto, all shots taken at same time in same position, lens cloth used to wipe lens covers clean prior to every shot, several shots captured on each phone and best selected for the comparison (if you take one shot only and get one with a completely aberrant focus/white balance etc, in other words a poor outlier not reflecting the cams usual quality, then that isn't especially useful for a comparison like this). Caveats: In all likelihood neither the Z1 or Note 3 on release firmwares, the light in the outdoors scene a bit variable due to moving cloud cover. I have my own thoughts on the photos, but if you haven't seen those on Twitter already better to let you draw your own conclusions before I say a word.

I took a 31s 4K video and was quite impressed at how smoothly it handled fairly quick panning, that 31s cost 177Mb in storage and was recorded at 48Mbps (see mediainfo screen below). The Note 3 was having quite a bit of trouble playing this video back it is worth noting, probably also worth noting that my laptop would not play it AT ALL!

BUHgv0qCMAEfWsa.jpg:large


The following information I put in a dedicated thread in the accessories forum, but probably of interest to folks here too:

A few findings of mine from the weekend:
  • External drives work, but unfortunately NTFS formatted drives still don't work on stock ROMs. It had the power to spin up a 1TB Seagate drive! Unfortunately the drive was NTFS formatted so couldn't do more to see how well it was working, but definitely was powered with a solid indicator light. Promising.
  • The Smart Dock works with the Note 3
  • The S3/Note 2 MHL adapters definitely work
  • The Samsung MHL 2.0 adapter works without needing a charging input plugged in and IS outputting at 60Hz
  • USB audio working, I tried several DACs. The ones that worked were the HiFimeDIY, Tiny-M, HeadAmp Pico. Unfortunately Apex Glacier did not work (did not work on the S4 either).
  • USB keyboards/mice working as they did with the older Samsungs
  • PS3 controller working over USB OTG
  • Ditto for the Xbox 360 for Microsoft controller (which required an app on older Samsungs in order to work)
  • Logitech F310 controller works too
  • Ditto the Logitech F710
  • It also worked with a cheapie gamepad from Ebay (like $6), although button mappings seemed limited and did not have time to try it in emulators etc to see whether all could be mapped.
  • BT keyboard and mouse working, as expected
  • IR blaster via the inbuilt app works great with my LG TV
  • MHL and USB OTG do not work together using the Samsung MHL 2.0 adapter
  • Moga Pro gamepad working well
  • Tried several ethernet adapters, none work.

Unfortunately the one I had did not have the USB 3.0 cable/charger, so could not benchmark read/write speeds or charging speeds using that connectivity.

The Z1 seemed quite large in comparison given the disparity in display sizes:

BUKe8eKCYAAEPmt.jpg:small
 
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I got a good few hours with the Galaxy Note 3 over the weekend, so I thought I might drop a line about my experiences with the phone :)

Let's talk camera. I'm guessing the PureView was "baseline." The N3 and SGS4's cameras seem pretty comparable. The color balance on the N3 seems a bit off; especially on greens. Your Octa SGS4 has the Exmor RS sensor in it, do you think the N3 is using "R" like the S-600 SGS4 is? Was the one you were playing with final or pre-production? From the SGS4 camera discussions I know you know cameras. What are your thoughts?

Also, did you get to do any low-light testing? At the launch event Samsung called-out better low light performance as a feature. Smart Stabilization (stupid name) was thought to be a s/w OIS equivalent but appears to be tied to capturing better low light pictures.

Smart stabilisation: Set the device to automatically detect darker conditions and adjust the brightness of the photo without the flash.​

The size comparison to the Z1 is pretty shocking; especially with the N3's chassis having a slot to store a 4" pen.
 

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I will definitely post my own thoughts on the camera, but it's waaay past time I was asleep, so that will have to be tomorrow sorry.

Quickly in relation to the other things: yes, size comparison was a bit shocking! I think this was final hardware, but I don't think it was quite final firmware. No idea about particular sensor in use here, my partner in crime sent Supercurio a Voodoo Report, so hopefully he can help us out there.
 
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[*]The S3/Note 2 MHL adapters definitely work

[*]The Samsung MHL 2.0 adapter works without needing a charging input plugged in and IS outputting at 60Hz
Hi, thanks for the review! I just wanted some clarification on these two points:

Are you saying that you were able to use the official current Samsung Note 2 MHL adapter without needing the charging input plugged in? I ask, because if there is no reason to buy an official Note 3 MHL adapter (which will probably be released soon), then I'll just use the adapter for my Note 2. Just wanted to make sure...
 

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Hi everyone,

I got a good few hours with the Galaxy Note 3 over the weekend, so I thought I might drop a line about my experiences with the phone :)

This was the S800 version, and it had the AB binning of that SoC :)

Firstly, while its very subjective I really loved the faux-leather back. I like that there is now no 'correct' orientation for inserting the S-Pen, and that the S-Pen works with the capacitive buttons. The screen was set to the Film mode and was very good, no complaints whatsoever about pixel density, seemed a fair amount brighter than my S4 when out taking shots with it. It flew with the S800 of course, hardly surprising given it wasn't loaded with apps and has that much power at its disposal. Finally going to the widgets section didn't lag like crazy as per previous versions of TW. Although there were only a handful of contacts loaded, which may have made a difference, I did revel in seeing no lag whatsoever launching the contacts app (finally!). Running PPSSPP as a graphics stress test it managed ~23fps on Tekken Dark Resurrection, which is starting to get up into the playable realm (my Octa S4 for reference manages only ~11fps). On less demanding games results even better - Disgaia Afternoon of Darkness was basically perfect running full speed with sound and with frameskipping turned off (which makes me extremely happy). The S800 still isn't up to playing 1080p 10-bit video, which was to be expected. It did manage it slightly better than older SoCs though, so perhaps in the next 1-2 generations of SoCs we'll see this become doable. My time with it was too short to make any sensible comment about battery life, sorry.


Here is the RAM situation, seems the Exynos version has about 300Mb more free RAM going off Sammobiles, but here is a screen from the S800 version:

BUCQWtJCYAADiRr.jpg:small



Free storage ~25Gb, a pleasant surprise as I expected less:

BUCK1N2CYAAfuVY.jpg:small



I was really surprised (and pleased) to find rapidly accessible defaults management is available:

BUCQgtTCIAILQtT.jpg:small



It let's you choose the colour of the screen visible in the S-View cover:

BUCMN9nCUAAwsKH.jpg:small



The have further expanded one-handed use settings, in this slightly strange one you can run everything in a little window with onscreen buttons if you wanted (!):

BUCQNCjIcAAg3Wd.jpg:small



I made a camera comparison and the shots are up at Flickr here. Included with the Note 3 are the Xperia Z1 I also had and an S4 and Pureview 808. Methods: All shots on auto, all shots taken at same time in same position, lens cloth used to wipe lens covers clean prior to every shot, several shots captured on each phone and best selected for the comparison (if you take one shot only and get one with a completely aberrant focus/white balance etc, in other words a poor outlier not reflecting the cams usual quality, then that isn't especially useful for a comparison like this). Caveats: In all likelihood neither the Z1 or Note 3 on release firmwares, the light in the outdoors scene a bit variable due to moving cloud cover. I have my own thoughts on the photos, but if you haven't seen those on Twitter already better to let you draw your own conclusions before I say a word.

I took a 31s 4K video and was quite impressed at how smoothly it handled fairly quick panning, that 31s cost 177Mb in storage and was recorded at 48Mbps (see mediainfo screen below). The Note 3 was having quite a bit of trouble playing this video back it is worth noting, probably also worth noting that my laptop would not play it AT ALL!

BUHgv0qCMAEfWsa.jpg:large


The following information I put in a dedicated thread in the accessories forum, but probably of interest to folks here too:

A few findings of mine from the weekend:
  • External drives work, but unfortunately NTFS formatted drives still don't work on stock ROMs. It had the power to spin up a 1TB Seagate drive! Unfortunately the drive was NTFS formatted so couldn't do more to see how well it was working, but definitely was powered with a solid indicator light. Promising.
  • The Smart Dock works with the Note 3
  • The S3/Note 2 MHL adapters definitely work
  • The Samsung MHL 2.0 adapter works without needing a charging input plugged in and IS outputting at 60Hz
  • USB audio working, I tried several DACs. The ones that worked were the HiFimeDIY, Tiny-M, HeadAmp Pico. Unfortunately Apex Glacier did not work (did not work on the S4 either).
  • USB keyboards/mice working as they did with the older Samsungs
  • PS3 controller working over USB OTG
  • Ditto for the Xbox 360 for Microsoft controller (which required an app on older Samsungs in order to work)
  • Logitech F310 controller works too
  • Ditto the Logitech F710
  • It also worked with a cheapie gamepad from Ebay (like $6), although button mappings seemed limited and did not have time to try it in emulators etc to see whether all could be mapped.
  • BT keyboard and mouse working, as expected
  • IR blaster via the inbuilt app works great with my LG TV
  • MHL and USB OTG do not work together using the Samsung MHL 2.0 adapter
  • Moga Pro gamepad working well
  • Tried several ethernet adapters, none work.

Unfortunately the one I had did not have the USB 3.0 cable/charger, so could not benchmark read/write speeds or charging speeds using that connectivity.

The Z1 seemed quite large in comparison given the disparity in display sizes:

BUKe8eKCYAAEPmt.jpg:small
How you know it was the s800AB soc?
 
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This was the S800 version, and it had the AB binning of that SoC :)

Thank you for this extremely informative post. :good:

How did you find out that the Note 3 uses the AB binning?

Can you confirm that the GPU runs @ 550 MHz? And what about the memory clock speed?
 
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Verry onteresting post. Now its almost impossible to wait....curious to grab that beast in my hand ;):p
 

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Thank you for sharing your thought. It seems you know tech very well.

The nicest thing I've read the the reduced lag in touchwiz. I hope it's true. From videos I've seen, it still seems to lag in certain areas such as S Finder, S Note,

Also the little difference in size between note3 and z1 is because the latter has much unnecessary bezels on sides, top and bottom.

Can you confirm if the audio quality is better/louder than note2? Does the bottom placed speaker grills make a difference?
 

hockeyfan

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I found one thing that was interesting in this review. The screenshot of the RAM statistics shows a total of only 2.38 GB. My N2 has a total of 1.75GB. I know that some RAM is reserved for system/OS use, graphics, etc., but when the N3 was announced to have 3GB of RAM, I assumed this meant that the total available RAM would be something like 2.75GB, not 2.38GB. That's about a 370MB difference, which is not trivial.

I'm curious if the different variants of the N3 will have different total RAM numbers...
 

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Thank you for sharing your thought. It seems you know tech very well.

The nicest thing I've read the the reduced lag in touchwiz. I hope it's true. From videos I've seen, it still seems to lag in certain areas such as S Finder, S Note,

Also the little difference in size between note3 and z1 is because the latter has much unnecessary bezels on sides, top and bottom.

Can you confirm if the audio quality is better/louder than note2? Does the bottom placed speaker grills make a difference?


Yes that one , also please tell us if there was any other option in sview settings..like having more screens at that window!For example ,having calls logs , dial pad etc
 

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The one handed option is awesome - can you tell us more? Also, what does the settings screen for one-handed use look like?

Thank you!
 

hockeyfan

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I found one thing that was interesting in this review. The screenshot of the RAM statistics shows a total of only 2.38 GB. My N2 has a total of 1.75GB. I know that some RAM is reserved for system/OS use, graphics, etc., but when the N3 was announced to have 3GB of RAM, I assumed this meant that the total available RAM would be something like 2.75GB, not 2.38GB. That's about a 370MB difference, which is not trivial.

I'm curious if the different variants of the N3 will have different total RAM numbers...

Hmm, looks like the Exynos variant will indeed have more usable RAM (2.72GB, to be exact!)...
 

hockeyfan

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I do care about available RAM, because Android's LMK/LRU memory management still closes applications, and this causes issues (yes, I know the LRU settings can be tweaked). For example, on my N2, even though it has 2GB of RAM, apps (such as the browsers) still occasionally close. While it's true that they at least open up all the tabs from the previous session, the page contents themselves are not cached, which means that if I'm on a slow 3G connection, it can take forever to reload all the pages (I typically have at least 15 tabs currently open).

The more total and available RAM there is, the better. Memory management means basically nothing if it results in apps frequently getting closed.
 

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The Note 3 was having quite a bit of trouble playing this video back it is worth noting, probably also worth noting that my laptop would not play it AT ALL!

@NZtechfreak, That sounds really odd to me. A phone is supposed to playback a video flawlessly which is shot by itself.
There is a Elysium 4k trailer. You can try playing that. It plays fine on my 2 year old dell n5110, and should be fine on a Note 3 too.
 

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Can you talk a little about build quality? Maybe compare it to the likes of the G2 and Z1?

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    Hi everyone,

    I got a good few hours with the Galaxy Note 3 over the weekend, so I thought I might drop a line about my experiences with the phone :)

    This was the S800 version, and it had the AB binning of that SoC :)

    [UPDATE]

    Actually I looked into the bin situation some more after some of the enquiries here. The network guy I was in contact with said it was the AB binning as it was clocked at 2.3Ghz. I took that as read and hence posted that information here, however it looks as if even at the 2.3Ghz clockspeed there are two binnings for the GPU speed. Bottom line I can't categorically state this is AB bin, my apologies for the lack of clarity there everyone.

    Here is what the Voodoo Report says, as you can see it depends on whether the 0007 revision corresponds to the AB bin:

    Hardware : Qualcomm MSM 8974 (Flattened Device Tree)
    Revision : 0007


    Firstly, while its very subjective I really loved the faux-leather back. I like that there is now no 'correct' orientation for inserting the S-Pen, and that the S-Pen works with the capacitive buttons. The screen was set to the Film mode and was very good, no complaints whatsoever about pixel density, seemed a fair amount brighter than my S4 when out taking shots with it. It flew with the S800 of course, hardly surprising given it wasn't loaded with apps and has that much power at its disposal. Finally going to the widgets section didn't lag like crazy as per previous versions of TW. Although there were only a handful of contacts loaded, which may have made a difference, I did revel in seeing no lag whatsoever launching the contacts app (finally!). Running PPSSPP as a graphics stress test it managed ~23fps on Tekken Dark Resurrection, which is starting to get up into the playable realm (my Octa S4 for reference manages only ~11fps). On less demanding games results even better - Disgaia Afternoon of Darkness was basically perfect running full speed with sound and with frameskipping turned off (which makes me extremely happy). The S800 still isn't up to playing 1080p 10-bit video, which was to be expected. It did manage it slightly better than older SoCs though, so perhaps in the next 1-2 generations of SoCs we'll see this become doable. My time with it was too short to make any sensible comment about battery life, sorry.


    Here is the RAM situation, seems the Exynos version has about 300Mb more free RAM going off Sammobiles, but here is a screen from the S800 version:

    BUCQWtJCYAADiRr.jpg:small



    Free storage ~25Gb, a pleasant surprise as I expected less:

    BUCK1N2CYAAfuVY.jpg:small



    I was really surprised (and pleased) to find rapidly accessible defaults management is available:

    BUCQgtTCIAILQtT.jpg:small



    It let's you choose the colour of the screen visible in the S-View cover:

    BUCMN9nCUAAwsKH.jpg:small



    The have further expanded one-handed use settings, in this slightly strange one you can run everything in a little window with onscreen buttons if you wanted (!):

    BUCQNCjIcAAg3Wd.jpg:small



    I made a camera comparison and the shots are up at Flickr here. Included with the Note 3 are the Xperia Z1 I also had and an S4 and Pureview 808. Methods: All shots on auto, all shots taken at same time in same position, lens cloth used to wipe lens covers clean prior to every shot, several shots captured on each phone and best selected for the comparison (if you take one shot only and get one with a completely aberrant focus/white balance etc, in other words a poor outlier not reflecting the cams usual quality, then that isn't especially useful for a comparison like this). Caveats: In all likelihood neither the Z1 or Note 3 on release firmwares, the light in the outdoors scene a bit variable due to moving cloud cover. I have my own thoughts on the photos, but if you haven't seen those on Twitter already better to let you draw your own conclusions before I say a word.

    I took a 31s 4K video and was quite impressed at how smoothly it handled fairly quick panning, that 31s cost 177Mb in storage and was recorded at 48Mbps (see mediainfo screen below). The Note 3 was having quite a bit of trouble playing this video back it is worth noting, probably also worth noting that my laptop would not play it AT ALL!

    BUHgv0qCMAEfWsa.jpg:large


    The following information I put in a dedicated thread in the accessories forum, but probably of interest to folks here too:

    A few findings of mine from the weekend:
    • External drives work, but unfortunately NTFS formatted drives still don't work on stock ROMs. It had the power to spin up a 1TB Seagate drive! Unfortunately the drive was NTFS formatted so couldn't do more to see how well it was working, but definitely was powered with a solid indicator light. Promising.
    • The Smart Dock works with the Note 3
    • The S3/Note 2 MHL adapters definitely work
    • The Samsung MHL 2.0 adapter works without needing a charging input plugged in and IS outputting at 60Hz
    • USB audio working, I tried several DACs. The ones that worked were the HiFimeDIY, Tiny-M, HeadAmp Pico. Unfortunately Apex Glacier did not work (did not work on the S4 either).
    • USB keyboards/mice working as they did with the older Samsungs
    • PS3 controller working over USB OTG
    • Ditto for the Xbox 360 for Microsoft controller (which required an app on older Samsungs in order to work)
    • Logitech F310 controller works too
    • Ditto the Logitech F710
    • It also worked with a cheapie gamepad from Ebay (like $6), although button mappings seemed limited and did not have time to try it in emulators etc to see whether all could be mapped.
    • BT keyboard and mouse working, as expected
    • IR blaster via the inbuilt app works great with my LG TV
    • MHL and USB OTG do not work together using the Samsung MHL 2.0 adapter
    • Moga Pro gamepad working well
    • Tried several ethernet adapters, none work.

    Unfortunately the one I had did not have the USB 3.0 cable/charger, so could not benchmark read/write speeds or charging speeds using that connectivity.

    The Z1 seemed quite large in comparison given the disparity in display sizes:

    BUKe8eKCYAAEPmt.jpg:small
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    Hi, thanks for the review! I just wanted some clarification on these two points:

    Are you saying that you were able to use the official current Samsung Note 2 MHL adapter without needing the charging input plugged in? I ask, because if there is no reason to buy an official Note 3 MHL adapter (which will probably be released soon), then I'll just use the adapter for my Note 2. Just wanted to make sure...

    No, I was referring to the Samsung MHL 2.0 adapter, which does not need a charging input plugged in. Sorry I did not check whether the Note 2 adapter, which is MHL 1.0 can do that (as by rights it should not be able to).

    How you know it was the s800AB soc?

    Actually I looked into this some more - the network guy I was in contact with said it was the AB binning as it was clocked at 2.3Ghz. I took that as read and hence posted that information here, however I see even at the 2.3Ghz clockspeed it looks like there are two binnings for the GPU speed. Bottom line I can't categorically state this is AB bin, my apologies for that - OP updated.

    Here is what the Voodoo Report says, as you can see it depends on whether the 0007 revision corresponds to the AB bin:

    Hardware : Qualcomm MSM 8974 (Flattened Device Tree)
    Revision : 0007

    Thank you for this extremely informative post. :good:

    How did you find out that the Note 3 uses the AB binning?

    Can you confirm that the GPU runs @ 550 MHz? And what about the memory clock speed?

    See above.

    Thank you for sharing your thought. It seems you know tech very well.

    You're welcome!

    The nicest thing I've read the the reduced lag in touchwiz. I hope it's true. From videos I've seen, it still seems to lag in certain areas such as S Finder, S Note,

    It may lag in certain areas, I can really only comment with certainty about those, since I specifically checked them (also, who knows whether lag will emerge later as the phone gets loaded up with apps and data).

    Also the little difference in size between note3 and z1 is because the latter has much unnecessary bezels on sides, top and bottom.

    Yes, the Z1, is, ah, generously endowed with bezels.

    Can you confirm if the audio quality is better/louder than note2? Does the bottom placed speaker grills make a difference?

    The speaker at the bottom seemed adequate, nothing to write home about. I didn't specifically compare, but it didn't strike me as obviously better than the Note 2 speaker.

    In relation to sound quality its like the battery, I can't make a genuine comment about that from the time I had and I refuse to make stuff up. Trust me this is an area of massive importance to me also. I will do blind and volume matched audio tests with the release Note 3 when I get it (with a few friends heavily into audio), you likely won't find a write up as rigorous as that anywhere unless Supercurio actually does something with the audio for the Note 3.
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    @NZtechfreak, That sounds really odd to me. A phone is supposed to playback a video flawlessly which is shot by itself.
    There is a Elysium 4k trailer. You can try playing that. It plays fine on my 2 year old dell n5110, and should be fine on a Note 3 too.

    Yeah, this is pre-release firmware obviously, so who knows what may change between now and release.

    What about sound quality of Qualcomm DAC, its support 24bit 192KHz so what it's like compare to Wolfson DAC? (ON S4 Note II S III S Exynos version.)

    See earlier comments, I plan to do detailed comparisons at release, but didn't have time over the weekend to get a real feel for it.

    Regarding 24-bit sound, you might want to read this (written by a professional musician who wrote the ogg codec, this is the most substantive commentary I have seen about the relative merits of 24-bit sound):

    http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

    Can you talk a little about build quality? Maybe compare it to the likes of the G2 and Z1?

    Build felt a lot better than the Note 2, that's for sure. Obviously it paled in comparison to the Z1, which is superb in that regard.

    +1 bump .

    This and an easier question just for the curiosity.......FM radio available?

    .

    As mentioned by others from my comments in another thread there was no FM radio on this one (firmware build date Sept 7th, so must be nearing final and I would be surprised to suddenly see FM radio added between now and release.
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    I do care about available RAM, because Android's LMK/LRU memory management still closes applications, and this causes issues (yes, I know the LRU settings can be tweaked). For example, on my N2, even though it has 2GB of RAM, apps (such as the browsers) still occasionally close. While it's true that they at least open up all the tabs from the previous session, the page contents themselves are not cached, which means that if I'm on a slow 3G connection, it can take forever to reload all the pages (I typically have at least 15 tabs currently open).

    The more total and available RAM there is, the better. Memory management means basically nothing if it results in apps frequently getting closed.
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    What about sound quality of Qualcomm DAC, its support 24bit 192KHz so what it's like compare to Wolfson DAC? (ON S4 Note II S III S Exynos version.)