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Not everyone is a programmer to understand source code. People will know if someone who has knowledge will check source code and write about it on github/here. I didn't saw any comparison EdXposed vs LSposed anywhere.
Yes. I can't find any technical comparison or performance test comparison. And I see a lot viral advertising focus on how bad is Edxposed (Without proof) even personal attacks on one of Edxposed dev and how good is Lsposed (Without data / comparison) in Chinese on Chinese web site like Zhihu and Bilibili.

It's open source yes. But even you are programmer and understand source code very well. Sill you may not have enough time and energy to review all code in every change and review it fast enough. That is why last year one of Lsposed dev make a "rm -rf" prank to Edxposed that no one find out in advance and warn everyone. Then cause some people to lose their data.

So, I choose something or not mostly depend on trust. But bad advertising and prank like this really didn't help.
 
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Yes. I can't find any technical comparison or performance test comparison. And I see a lot viral advertising focus on how bad is Edxposed (Without proof) even personal attacks on one of Edxposed dev and how good is Lsposed (Without data / comparison) in Chinese on Chinese web site like Zhihu and Bilibili.

It's open source yes. But even you are programmer and understand source code very well. Sill you may not have enough time and energy to review all code in every change and review it fast enough. That is why last year one of Lsposed dev make a "rm -rf" prank to Edxposed that no one find out in advance and warn everyone. Then cause some people to lose their data.

So, I choose something or not mostly depend on trust. But bad advertising and prank like this really didn't help.
The most security option is keep the device unrooted and unxposed :cowboy:
 
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That sounds like iOS. :p
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Personally I DO NOT think it is a moral issue, Neither the first nor only valid Pull Request is submitted by LSPosed developers, and the canal channel specifically reminded "test-only" and "at your own risk".
There are a comment on Coolapk, which was published in 2015:
酷市场十六字箴言:众怒难犯,众口难调,众矢之的,众志成城。
Which of Edxp and lspxp is better? Both are OK. Of course you are free to choose a framework, praise it as "unprecedented software", or criticize it for being worthless. It's up to you. But it's important not to treat a mobile software as a religion, which is called `饭圈化` in Chinese. As Gustave says in *The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind*, as soon as people enter the group, IQ is seriously reduced, in order to gain recognition, a person is willing to abandon the concept of right and wrong, with intelligence in exchange for that sense of security of belonging.
 
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Personally I DO NOT think it is a moral issue, Neither the first nor only valid Pull Request is submitted by LSPosed developers, and the canal channel specifically reminded "test-only" and "at your own risk".
There are a comment on Coolapk, which was published in 2015:

Which of Edxp and lspxp is better? Both are OK. Of course you are free to choose a framework, praise it as "unprecedented software", or criticize it for being worthless. It's up to you. But it's important not to treat a mobile software as a religion, which is called `饭圈化` in Chinese. As Gustave says in *The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind*, as soon as people enter the group, IQ is seriously reduced, in order to gain recognition, a person is willing to abandon the concept of right and wrong, with intelligence in exchange for that sense of security of belonging.
1. Everyone has different moral standards. I will not judge the level of moral standards here. But also, I will not accept prank like "rm -rf". And I will not accept there are no apology or compensation.
2. Sure, canary channel is specifically reminded "test-only" and "at your own risk". What's the point? Does this mean someone intentionally use this to hurt others is a good thing? And people who get hurt is their own problem?
3. Sure this is not the only one. I remember there are 3 of this kind pranks submitted, right? So what is the point? If more than one man does such thing like this, then no one should be blamed? Because you can't blame majority?
4. I know what is "饭圈" and other local characteristics stuff that make people irrational and illogical.
5. I'm very grateful to you for give me your first post. Welcome to join XDA community.
 
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Omg. He is traumatized 😹
You are repeating your words many, many and many times.
Don't try to get your arguments into the head of others.
If you don't want to use LSPosed, just DON'T use it. LOL.

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4. I know what is "饭圈" and other local characteristics stuff that make people irrational and illogical.
REALLY ? WHO CARES ? I love dirty jokes.
 

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If you are so freak with LSPosed, go to GitHub and show us your freak.
Don't try to freak others with words like "I don't trust this and someone should say that I'm right".
You already said what you think.
Now, what about to use other arguments?
Like "read this code, people, we should avoid it".
You are just spreading panic unnecessarily.
And we don't want your unnecessary panic.
 
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You are repeating your words many, many and many times.
Which part and how many times? If this is offended you, I'm sorry.
Don't try to get your arguments into the head of others.
No, I'll not do such thing. Everyone has their own understanding. So, is OK if you think this is what I'm doing. But, no is not.
REALLY ? WHO CARES ? I love dirty jokes.
Sure, you can. Maybe you have not met some dirty things that hurt someone around you. But please respect others. Some people are victim of real "dirty" things. And some nasty dirty jokes it will be very offensive.
Don't try to freak others with words like "I don't trust this and someone should say that I'm right".
I'm sure I have only use "trust" 3 times and even not on my last post that reply to TheInterestingSoul. Again, if this is offended you, I'm sorry. And I don't know which part shows "someone should say that I'm right". Please don't overunderstand.
You are just spreading panic unnecessarily.
If all my work for "spreading" "panic" is one XDA thread. Don't you think that is complete failure of "spreading"? And the lack of conflict and dramatic words is also a failure of "panic".
Omg. He is traumatized 😹
No need to be troll, please.
 
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Cool down and have a fruitful discussion.
 

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Which part and how many times? If this is offended you, I'm sorry.

No, I'll not do such thing. Everyone has their own understanding. So, is OK if you think this is what I'm doing. But, no is not.

Sure, you can. Maybe you have not met some dirty things that hurt someone around you. But please respect others. Some people are victim of real "dirty" things. And some nasty dirty jokes it will be very offensive.

I'm sure I have only use "trust" 3 times and even not on my last post that reply to TheInterestingSoul. Again, if this is offended you, I'm sorry. And I don't know which part shows "someone should say that I'm right". Please don't overunderstand.

If all my work for "spreading" "panic" is one XDA thread. Don't you think that is complete failure of "spreading"? And the lack of conflict and dramatic words is also a failure of "panic".

No need to be troll, please.
"real dirty things" are NOT "dirty jokes".
You are confusing other people and causing panic.
Say arguments and not "I think".
 
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"real dirty things" are NOT "dirty jokes".
I never said it's exactly the same thing. Literally? Of course NO. Strong connection and make some people fell disgusting and offended?I think so.
You are confusing other people and causing panic.
Frist, thank you for remove the accusation about "spreading". Again, I didn't mean to create confusion and my words are already very clear. I'm sorry if someone get confused and I am willing to explain friendly. Like how I explain all your confuse. About "panic" part. Sure, everyone have different levels of tolerance for panic. My words may cause panic to some people. But I think "causing panic" is still pretty harsh for me because it's very unlikely cause panic.
Say arguments and not "I think".
If you are confused by my rhetorical question in #27. Sorry about that. I admit there is a certain possibility to cause confusion by that. But I don't think that is "argument". It's just normal "discuss". If you are uncomfortable about that. Just tell me what is. I'll try to make you feel better.
 

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OK, I have been using EdXposed since I upgraded to Oreo, but I only just discovered LSPosed, and I don't really understand why LSPosed was created in the first place or why it seems like there is so much hatred between the different camps...

I will say that I haven't really been happy with the pace of development or response to bugs/issues logged with EdXposed recently, particularly after the issue with Riru changing paths broke edxposed and the devs attitude to begin with was "that's a riru bug we won't fix our code".

The "stable" release channel for edxposed hasn't had an update in so long it doesn't work with the current magisk and riru versions, and the advice to install alpha or daily builds as a work around might be OK for a short term solution if we had any assurance that fixes were coming to stable in a reasonable time frame, but it isnt really acceptable as a long term solution which it seems to have become.

I appreciate the work done on edxposed in the past because I really need the functionality, and i know its complicated code to write and maintain, but honestly if any software project can't keep its code up to date with its dependencies then it needs to be handed over to someone else or retired. Leaving users to deal with buggy half working software is irresponsible.

SO... If LSPosed brings nothing else to the table except more active and responsive developers, I say that's as good thing, and its something we need in the xposed community. Are they trustworthy? That remains to be seen but only time will tell.
 

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OK, I have been using EdXposed since I upgraded to Oreo, but I only just discovered LSPosed, and I don't really understand why LSPosed was created in the first place or why it seems like there is so much hatred between the different camps...

I will say that I haven't really been happy with the pace of development or response to bugs/issues logged with EdXposed recently, particularly after the issue with Riru changing paths broke edxposed and the devs attitude to begin with was "that's a riru bug we won't fix our code".

The "stable" release channel for edxposed hasn't had an update in so long it doesn't work with the current magisk and riru versions, and the advice to install alpha or daily builds as a work around might be OK for a short term solution if we had any assurance that fixes were coming to stable in a reasonable time frame, but it isnt really acceptable as a long term solution which it seems to have become.

I appreciate the work done on edxposed in the past because I really need the functionality, and i know its complicated code to write and maintain, but honestly if any software project can't keep its code up to date with its dependencies then it needs to be handed over to someone else or retired. Leaving users to deal with buggy half working software is irresponsible.

SO... If LSPosed brings nothing else to the table except more active and responsive developers, I say that's as good thing, and its something we need in the xposed community. Are they trustworthy? That remains to be seen but only time will tell.
Really contradictory.
 
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why it seems like there is so much hatred between the different camps...
If you can understand Chinese (Without use translator) and really interested in this, you can dig deeper and find out the malice and hatred in this.
I will say that I haven't really been happy with the pace of development or response to bugs/issues logged with EdXposed recently
I can understand why that. First, all devs are doing this because hobby. They have their own real life matter to attend (Study and work etc). Second, they may feel disheartened after the prank attack and other dirty gossip that personal attack devs. Especially justice cannot be done with these and people's indifference.
That remains to be seen but only time will tell.
Yes, only time can tell. Before time tells you anything, do things by your heart.
 
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    If you can read Chinese, maybe you can read these below:

    I am very troubled by the following content:
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    Edxposed are "饱受诟病"?- "Severely criticized"
    There are so bad need use word like that?

    Edxposed "面临着停更的风险" - "Risk of stop updating"
    What's the point? Lsposed will never stop update? Even original xposed has stop update.

    "系统资源的消耗被大大减少,耗电量也有所改善" - "The consumption of system resources has been greatly reduced, and the power consumption has also been improved"
    Best have test data.

    "Lsposed 的默认白名单设定使得用户的个人隐私得到保障" - "Whitelist make personal privacy more security"
    Really? Edxposed have whitelist too. Is that means Edxposed's whitelist somehow not safe? Better have more explanation.

    "主要维护者solohsu是一只老鸽子" - "Main maintainer solohsu is an old pigeon" (Meaning he is lazy)
    No need to personal attack.

    Edxposed "存在大量历史包袱" - "Edxposed inherited a lot of errors"
    Something wrong with compatibility? Or what? A little more specific will be help.

    "EdXposed管理器没有很好地适应当前Xposed界的发展情况,允许用户进行一些可能给手机带来卡顿的操作。" - "The EdXposed manager does not adapt well to the current development of the Xposed, allowing users to perform some operations that may cause lag to the phone"
    So Lsposed will not allowed user to do anything cause lag to the phone? Install any kind of xposed or just intall more app will certain make phone more laggy.
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    If all this is not post by Lsposed devs, then devs should do something to avoid being over-exaggerated and provide more information.

    My personal test shows:
    LSPosed-v0.5.4.1-5175 VS EdXposed-v0.5.2.2_4683 (All use whitelist sandhook with GravityBox XposedEdge and Firefds Kit enable on a same Samsung Note 9 stock Android 10 OneUI 2.5)

    Same performance in Antutu / 3DMark / Geekbench 5 (Within normal error)
    Same experience of system UI and APPs

    For now. Lsposed is just a new Edxposed manager have better whitelist mod and set it in defult.

    Hope devs can make it better. And thanks for all your work. Cheers.
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    I see that the language is deteriorating and when it exceeds the limit, the Moderators will have to clean the thread.

    Cool down and have a fruitful discussion.
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    Omg. He is traumatized 😹
    You are repeating your words many, many and many times.
    Don't try to get your arguments into the head of others.
    If you don't want to use LSPosed, just DON'T use it. LOL.

    Code:
    4. I know what is "饭圈" and other local characteristics stuff that make people irrational and illogical.
    REALLY ? WHO CARES ? I love dirty jokes.
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    If you are so freak with LSPosed, go to GitHub and show us your freak.
    Don't try to freak others with words like "I don't trust this and someone should say that I'm right".
    You already said what you think.
    Now, what about to use other arguments?
    Like "read this code, people, we should avoid it".
    You are just spreading panic unnecessarily.
    And we don't want your unnecessary panic.