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verbal_666

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You can't use the SD card with the old maps and simply copy the new maps to that card. You really need to buy an SD card with changeable CID or buy one pre programmed with the required CID.

Or...you can just do like I and many others do. Just buy the SD card with the most recent maps on eBay for 30 euros or so.
How do they "code" the SD CID (which we know is a SerialNumber inside the SD hardware registry) inside map files? There's no method to use old SD and its CID with new maps? (assuming the files are found, since they are nowhere to be found!!!). How is the CID "paired" with maps?
 

mauriciomatos

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How do they "code" the SD CID (which we know is a SerialNumber inside the SD hardware registry) inside map files? There's no method to use old SD and its CID with new maps? (assuming the files are found, since they are nowhere to be found!!!). How is the CID "paired" with maps?

I have never tried to do it but I think the CID is in a text file when you download the maps. Then you need one of those changeable CID SD cards and it's possible to program the card using Linux or Android apps.

People tried in the past to use the genuine card with the old maps and it didn't work.
 

verbal_666

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I have never tried to do it but I think the CID is in a text file when you download the maps.

We need to find HOW CID is coded into maps!!! :alien:
Time ago they used the VIN, here https://suzuki.navigation.com/home/en_US/SuzukiAPAC/USD#HERE , but it never worked to me, perhaps it's only for NOT-EUROPE market.
So i really want to know how CID is coded inside maps, since i don't want to give 250€ to Suzuki for 2022 maps (i know, eBay sell them for 30€ :) but i really want to do it by myself :geek: ).

People tried in the past to use the genuine card with the old maps and it didn't work.

Here we are. In 2022 is it possible none discovered HOW Suzuki codes CID inside map files??? Seems strange to me :unsure: ... maybe a simple SHA encoded file with the CID value inside it... things you do with OPENSSL in 5 seconds :sneaky:

EDIT: maybe the CID is encoded in root txt,

prod_info.txt
Code:
271139;16.04.2018 21:05:15;9;PowerSoftware;2.0.2.13;SFSD016GL3BM1TO;;15nm MLC;Hyperstone S8;16GB;schwarz
... maybe the "SFSD016GL3BM1TO" is some kind of CID encryption?

Someone courageous could try to modify this file and see if SD is still recognized. Then rollback to original txt file, and see if... stil recognized :) me not!!! :LOL:

EDIT2: since i'm curious ;) i contacted HERE Tec. today... they say they can't update SUZUKI Infotainment and do not have an SD seller for this... only SUZUKI has those SD :sneaky: and only Suzuki can resolve the need of updating maps... 250€ :cry: ..... no way, if someone can't find a way to "cook" a compatible SD for Infotainment, we go all to eBay :cowboy:
 
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Zabo64

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We need to find HOW CID is coded into maps!!! :alien:
Time ago they used the VIN, here https://suzuki.navigation.com/home/en_US/SuzukiAPAC/USD#HERE , but it never worked to me, perhaps it's only for NOT-EUROPE market.
So i really want to know how CID is coded inside maps, since i don't want to give 250€ to Suzuki for 2022 maps (i know, eBay sell them for 30€ :) but i really want to do it by myself :geek: ).



Here we are. In 2022 is it possible none discovered HOW Suzuki codes CID inside map files??? Seems strange to me :unsure: ... maybe a simple SHA encoded file with the CID value inside it... things you do with OPENSSL in 5 seconds :sneaky:

EDIT: maybe the CID is encoded in root txt,

prod_info.txt
Code:
271139;16.04.2018 21:05:15;9;PowerSoftware;2.0.2.13;SFSD016GL3BM1TO;;15nm MLC;Hyperstone S8;16GB;schwarz
... maybe the "SFSD016GL3BM1TO" is some kind of CID encryption?

Someone courageous could try to modify this file and see if SD is still recognized. Then rollback to original txt file, and see if... stil recognized :) me not!!! :LOL:

EDIT2: since i'm curious ;) i contacted HERE Tec. today... they say they can't update SUZUKI Infotainment and do not have an SD seller for this... only SUZUKI has those SD :sneaky: and only Suzuki can resolve the need of updating maps... 250€ :cry: ..... no way, if someone can't find a way to "cook" a compatible SD for Infotainment, we go all to eBay :cowboy:
and let's hope it is not the same map with a different year printed on the SD...
 

verbal_666

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I noticed that there is a file called "SDX_META.DAT" which is located in 2 locations CRYPTNAV\PROGRAM and CRYPTNAV\DATA\DATA\MISC (both files are identical).
Somehow these SDX_META.DAT files verify the CID of each card.
I guess if somebody knows a way like reverse engineering, maybe there is way to create these SDX_META.DAT files based on the CID of each sd card.
So instead of changing the CID which requires specific sd cards and hardware we can just change this file according to the specific CID of existing sd cards.
This post is one of the nearest to the clue... for CID "encoding" inside map files.
 
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vagelisfil

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I did a lot of research around this topic and I don't think there is a way to clone SLDA cards without changing the CID.
It would be ideal if there were a keygen that would be able to create the SDX_META.DAT file based on the CID number of each card but till now we are far from this.
The only "workaround" i have found it that there is a way that we can disable the verification process on Bosch system so it will work with whatever sd card we insert.
This can be done with some linux commands that can be inserted to Bosch with a USB flash drive like firmware updates. But unfortunately I've not tested this myself till now, plus the risk of destroying the system which does not seem a good idea.
 

verbal_666

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I did a lot of research around this topic and I don't think there is a way to clone SLDA cards without changing the CID. It would be ideal if there were a keygen that would be able to create the SDX_META.DAT file based on the CID number of each card but till now we are far from this.
... as i said, it's very strange for 4 years NOBODY find a "solution" to hack and encode an SD for maps... in times where also a refrigerator is hacked :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: .............. we'll wait...

This can be done with some linux commands that can be inserted to Bosch with a USB flash drive like firmware updates. But unfortunately I've not tested this myself till now, plus the risk of destroying the system which does not seem a good idea.
Not a good idea at all for real!!! Skip it... :sleep:

I'm still in doubt if update my 1850.2 to 1890, since i'm afraid bricking the Infotainment o_O
:eek: ... ans the only feature i really hate is Speech Recognition inside Navigator App, it does not understand nothing :giggle::giggle::giggle::eek: .... just "nagivate to home" :unsure: other roads name are totally misundestood!!! But it's really a little problem. ANYWAY, does 1890 has a better Speech Recognition?
 
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Silver_hu

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I did a lot of research around this topic and I don't think there is a way to clone SLDA cards without changing the CID.
It would be ideal if there were a keygen that would be able to create the SDX_META.DAT file based on the CID number of each card but till now we are far from this.
The only "workaround" i have found it that there is a way that we can disable the verification process on Bosch system so it will work with whatever sd card we insert.
This can be done with some linux commands that can be inserted to Bosch with a USB flash drive like firmware updates. But unfortunately I've not tested this myself till now, plus the risk of destroying the system which does not seem a good idea.
Whaz is the "some linux commands"?
 

vagelisfil

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According to Richard Burtons
"In order to edit the maps we either need to sign the edited version (not possible without the private key) or bypass the signature check. The latter is easy. The signature is ultimately verified by the function BPCL_EC_DSA_Verify in /opt/bosch/processes/libosal_linux_so.so and the return code can simply be patched so it always returns 0 (success)."

These commands can be send to Bosch through a USB Lan adapter with SSH commands.
 

Igniter

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Could you please give a link to CID and SD data 39921-54PA7 . CID changeble SD cards are broadly discused where to buy.
 
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chriss672001

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For what do you need for? Since you can't use them on a normal SD. As discussed in many posts, the map files are used to create a proper metafile, signed with Bosch signature and SD CID. None knows the algorythm, the Bosch signature and the real procedure to get a useful metafile.
I have a card with a modifiable Cid. Have new maps appeared for this year 2022?
 

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