Question System size
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Electronic Punk
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I am not sure I believe those articlesto be honest and take some of their comments with a pinch of salt.
Firstly, according to their "detailed analysis" my system is apparently taking up 96gig.
Secondly, This article: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...d-android-build-somehow-uses-60gb-of-storage/
"First, Samsung is notorious for having a shoddy software division that pumps out low-quality code. The company tends to change everything in Android just for change's sake, and it's hard to imagine those changes are very good."
What? So any company that decides to use their own app, ie Samsung Email, must be low quality?
Firstly, according to their "detailed analysis" my system is apparently taking up 96gig.
Secondly, This article: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...d-android-build-somehow-uses-60gb-of-storage/
"First, Samsung is notorious for having a shoddy software division that pumps out low-quality code. The company tends to change everything in Android just for change's sake, and it's hard to imagine those changes are very good."
What? So any company that decides to use their own app, ie Samsung Email, must be low quality?
Electronic Punk
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Yes I have the 1GB version, but I also just read that:
"Worth noting that "System" also includes anything on the data partition that's not attributed to apps or shared storage. A significant portion of the 60 GB is likely this miscellaneous system data, which varies depending on usage."
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"Worth noting that "System" also includes anything on the data partition that's not attributed to apps or shared storage. A significant portion of the 60 GB is likely this miscellaneous system data, which varies depending on usage."
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Electronic Punk
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I assume the 20gb are my non-system apps.
But the 96 also includes data that is not on the system partition that is unclaimed, basically its more complex than it seems, not just what we would have once considered teh system partition.
But the 96 also includes data that is not on the system partition that is unclaimed, basically its more complex than it seems, not just what we would have once considered teh system partition.
Well I don't know about you guys but I'm getting ****ed the most here
btw this is after a data format and then full setup...
Edit:
Ignore me and my stupidity, once I gave it the permission it needed, it now recognised what belongs to what. The Apps now take 85GB and the system is now just 57GB.
btw this is after a data format and then full setup...Edit:
Ignore me and my stupidity, once I gave it the permission it needed, it now recognised what belongs to what. The Apps now take 85GB and the system is now just 57GB.
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Well I don't know about you guys but I'm getting ****ed the most here
Electronic Punk
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Well I don't know about you guys but I'm getting ****ed the most here
Edit:
Ignore me and my stupidity, once I gave it the permission it needed, it now recognised what belongs to what. The Apps now take 85GB and the system is now just 57GB.
What permission is that? I had a quick look but couldnt find it
so it just shoves whatever is left in "system".Well I don't know about you guys but I'm getting ****ed the most here
Edit:
Ignore me and my stupidity, once I gave it the permission it needed, it now recognised what belongs to what. The Apps now take 85GB and the system is now just 57GB.
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When you look at my screenshot, there's that information symbol on the right instead of amount of used space, click on it and it'll ask for permission. Then it'll split it up correctly.
Electronic Punk
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ok so permissions was already set, still 94.60GB for system, which is lower than earlier so prove its not fixed.
Was trying to do some cleanup -- guess I managed it a bit.
So, I'm confused, what is actually taking up so much space? Also, I'm guessing you didn't format data before setting up your phone like me, right? And just out of curiosity, what did you cleanup/delete and where?
Electronic Punk
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I used Smart Switch to basically copy over my data which worked for the most part but I dont trust some apps notifications from when I did the same from my S10+
Well as far as cleanups, I have been manually wiping data and cache on some applications (too many to name and prob quite risky), uninstalling some apps that I am sure were s21 specific such as the LED case, got rid of Voice Recorder, some other AR Emjoi stuff where it could - didnt keep a list. Uninstalled secure folders, too many things to really name.
I think system is not only the system partition but perhaps even misc data under /sdcard/data/ or obb etc. etc.
I am just messing about really.
Well as far as cleanups, I have been manually wiping data and cache on some applications (too many to name and prob quite risky), uninstalling some apps that I am sure were s21 specific such as the LED case, got rid of Voice Recorder, some other AR Emjoi stuff where it could - didnt keep a list. Uninstalled secure folders, too many things to really name.
I think system is not only the system partition but perhaps even misc data under /sdcard/data/ or obb etc. etc.
I am just messing about really.
New System without anything:
after giving permission its 56,49 GB of System
after giving permission its 56,49 GB of System
The answer is actually very simple and explained in the article below.
If you notice, when you buy a hard drive, they advertise it as 512GB but when you look in the OS, it's actually 476GB.
This is because, if you read the small characters, they calculate their GB using 1000 bytes multiplicator while in reality, it is 1024.
So if we do the math :
512Gb x 1000 = 512 000 MB x 1000 = 512 000 000 KB x 1000 = 512 000 000 000 bytes.
Now if we actually calculate the real space usage as computers calculate it we do :
512 000 000 000 / 1024 = 500 000 000 KB / 1024 = 488 281 MB / 1024 = 476 GB
In the Samsung app though, you see storage space being 512GB, not the real size of 476GB (most likely to avoid regular user confusion) so to compensate for this missing space, they add up that space to the system category. In this case, 512GB - 476GB = 36GB meaning the actual OS and system files take 22GB total.
The smaller the drive, the lesser the difference. Which is why it looks like system takes less space on a 256GB phone than it does on a 1TB phone.
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If you notice, when you buy a hard drive, they advertise it as 512GB but when you look in the OS, it's actually 476GB.
This is because, if you read the small characters, they calculate their GB using 1000 bytes multiplicator while in reality, it is 1024.
So if we do the math :
512Gb x 1000 = 512 000 MB x 1000 = 512 000 000 KB x 1000 = 512 000 000 000 bytes.
Now if we actually calculate the real space usage as computers calculate it we do :
512 000 000 000 / 1024 = 500 000 000 KB / 1024 = 488 281 MB / 1024 = 476 GB
In the Samsung app though, you see storage space being 512GB, not the real size of 476GB (most likely to avoid regular user confusion) so to compensate for this missing space, they add up that space to the system category. In this case, 512GB - 476GB = 36GB meaning the actual OS and system files take 22GB total.
The smaller the drive, the lesser the difference. Which is why it looks like system takes less space on a 256GB phone than it does on a 1TB phone.
One UI 5.1 bloatware is not consuming 60 GB storage on new Samsung Galaxy S23, Galaxy S23 Plus or Galaxy S23 Ultra
Recently there have been reports that One UI 5.1 reserves upwards of 60 GB storage for system partitions on the Galaxy S23, Galaxy S23 Plus and Galaxy S23 Ultra. Samsung may continue to insist on pre-installing third-party apps on One UI, but claims of 60 GB in bloatware are far from true.
I checked the sizing on my s22U currently and the system is also taking 68gb of storage. I still have plenty of storage and I am not worried about it. As long as it's not slowing the phone down, and it is not, it's fine.
They really should use separate partitions like pixels do.
They really should use separate partitions like pixels do.
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43The answer is actually very simple and explained in the article below.
If you notice, when you buy a hard drive, they advertise it as 512GB but when you look in the OS, it's actually 476GB.
This is because, if you read the small characters, they calculate their GB using 1000 bytes multiplicator while in reality, it is 1024.
So if we do the math :
512Gb x 1000 = 512 000 MB x 1000 = 512 000 000 KB x 1000 = 512 000 000 000 bytes.
Now if we actually calculate the real space usage as computers calculate it we do :
512 000 000 000 / 1024 = 500 000 000 KB / 1024 = 488 281 MB / 1024 = 476 GB
In the Samsung app though, you see storage space being 512GB, not the real size of 476GB (most likely to avoid regular user confusion) so to compensate for this missing space, they add up that space to the system category. In this case, 512GB - 476GB = 36GB meaning the actual OS and system files take 22GB total.
The smaller the drive, the lesser the difference. Which is why it looks like system takes less space on a 256GB phone than it does on a 1TB phone.
One UI 5.1 bloatware is not consuming 60 GB storage on new Samsung Galaxy S23, Galaxy S23 Plus or Galaxy S23 Ultra
Recently there have been reports that One UI...1I used Smart Switch to basically copy over my data which worked for the most part but I dont trust some apps notifications from when I did the same from my S10+
Well as far as cleanups, I have been manually wiping data and cache on some applications (too many to name and prob quite risky), uninstalling some apps that I am sure were s21 specific such as the LED case, got rid of Voice Recorder, some other AR Emjoi stuff where it could - didnt keep a list. Uninstalled secure folders, too many things to really name.
I think system is not only the system partition but perhaps even misc data under /sdcard/data/ or obb etc. etc.
I am just messing about really.
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