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surfer63

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They are both FYT based units. Rooting should be 100% identical.

There is no 5g wifi. There is the new 5G mobile network and there is 5 GHz wifi (or 2.4 GHz wifi).
Both do NOT support 5G, and both do have 5 GHz wifi.

Like said: both are produced by FYT including the Android layer and builtin apps. T'eyes and NaviFly are only resellers where T'eyes probably has by far the best support and most probably the better quality control, but is also more expensive.

Those resellers only vary in 2/32GB vs. 4/64GB, DSP or no DSP, STN or IPS or QLED displays, with or without 4G.
Note: the QLED screen is new and theoretically better than IPS (which is again better than STN)
 
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Thank you so much for your help.
I'm still a tad confused though.
It would appear that the navifly supports 5ghz wifi.
And from my understanding using android auto wireless with my pixel 3 needs 5ghz wifi support.
I don't believe the teyes can do this.
Is this correct? Sorry pretty noob here just asking questions.
 

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Thank you so much for your help.
I'm still a tad confused though.
It would appear that the navifly supports 5ghz wifi.
And from my understanding using android auto wireless with my pixel 3 needs 5ghz wifi support.
I don't believe the teyes can do this.
Is this correct? Sorry pretty noob here just asking questions.

Take a look at the Teyes website https://cc3.teyes.ru/
and read the Teyes CC3 topic. All things you ask are mentioned there already in the first post. Do some searching and reading!
 

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Is it possible to flash the teyes software on the navifly?
Not right away. The T'eyes firmware comes with builtin registration routines to make sure it is a T'eyes unit. Same for T'eyes voice. They deactivate Google Assistant, but you can only use T'eyes voice if you register with T'eyes. That will not work with a NaviFly.
It requires quite some (illegal) hacking of the firmware.
If you really want to go forward with this you need to follow the 4pda forum threads.
 

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Hmm. I really dig the software. Problem is there is no eu shipping only directly from china or russia.. is it possible to activate google assistant in the software
 

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Hmm. I really dig the software. Problem is there is no eu shipping only directly from china or russia.. is it possible to activate google assistant in the software
Yes, but it is disabled again on every restart. I used the CC2 software on my Joying sc9853i and enabled GoogleAssistant again (and again and again) using a "boot script" that started with 30 seconds delay. Next to that: all voice "actions" are directed to T'eyes voice which is hugely annoying. Even with GoogleAssistant it is still hugely crippled as T'eyes defaults in everything to T'eyes voice
Also: It is really a demotivation strategy from T'eyes as you can't use any voice software (without hacks), even not T'eyes voice itself, if you did not activate T'eyes voice either. T'eyes is another supplier that does closed-source, protective actions on their hardware. Something many people blamed Fyt/Joying for. T'eyes even takes it a step further. But they do deliver a nicer looking product with good support. And they need to feed their family as well.
So I reflashed my Joying firmware again to my Joying unit.
I use CarWebGuru (paid) as launcher, GorillaSoft folder music player pro for music, Magic Earth (90%) and OsmAnd+ (10%) for navigation, and DAB-Z for (DAB) radio. I hardly even see the other software behind it and even removed some. Why would I install good looking radio, music, video apps if I don't use them anyway. And I don't see added benefit of T'eyes voice over Google Assistant, be it that Google Assistant does not make calls on my Joying unit.

Everyone should decide for him/herself, but don't cripple you unit only for good looks. But that's my point of view and you can decide for yourself.
 

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I used the CC2 software on my Joying sc9853i and enabled GoogleAssistant again (and again and again) using a "boot script" that started with 30 seconds delay.
Hi Surfer, would you mind sharing your boot script, please. I would like to play around with it. I have purchased a Navifly 7862 unit for my Kia Sportage and would like to see what can be achieved.
 

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What are people's thoughts about the Navifly? There is not a lot of discussion about their particular implementation of the 7862 units. I ordered on yesterday and have just been advised that there will be a 12 day delay. This might actually be for the CANBUS rather than the head unit, though.

My car has multiple radio fascia options and only Navifly seem confident that they have my required fascia and their photos seem to show it.

I am curious to know if they cripple Android Assistant like Teyes does. I see you purchase a Navifly voice assistant so I assume that is the case. But that is not a deal breaker for me. I don't use Google Assistant currently.

Should there be a specific thread for the Navifly 7862 to be sure the Teyes thread doesn't get muddled?
 

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@surfer63 compared to the PX5 MTCE i have now, there is equal stability in the basic software (especially google play) and in the management of radio, gps, audio? I am interested in a Navifly 7862 that has an affordable price, in particular I would buy it for the optical and coaxial outputs it has, i want to connect it directly to my Audison AP8.9 . Thanks for answer
 

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@surfer63 compared to the PX5 MTCE i have now, there is equal stability in the basic software (especially google play) and in the management of radio, gps, audio? I am interested in a Navifly 7862 that has an affordable price, in particular I would buy it for the optical and coaxial outputs it has, i want to connect it directly to my Audison AP8.9 . Thanks for answer
You ask me , but I really don't know what it is compared to an mtce. I don't have an mtce. But I assume the basic software is all equal. Note thhought that until now the RDS-AF does not function correctly on FYT units. I guess the Chinese programmers translated the English specifications incorrectly.
And I am a basic audio listener. My unit is simply connected to my very simple car audio: two front speakers and 2 front tweeters.
 
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is there firmware support from Navifly?
You ask me , but I really don't know what it is compared to an mtce. I don't have an mtce. But I assume the basic software is all equal. Note thhought that until now the RDS-AF does not function correctly on FYT units. I guess the Chinese programmers translated the English specifications incorrectly.
And I am a basic audio listener. My unit is simply connected to my very simple car audio: two front speakers and 2 front tweeters.

Thanks @surfer63...how is the firmware support from Navifly?
Does it release updates of fw and mcu and where is possible to find it?
Do you think it is a reliable radio?
 

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is there firmware support from Navifly?
Does it release updates of fw and mcu and where is possible to find it?
Do you think it is a reliable radio?

Reliabilty is not the strongest selling point of any of those Chinese units.
I guess they are more or less basically the same for any manufacturer over the several resellers: FYT as manufacturer in this case.
I also guess that the "mini"-assembly the resellers do, like TN/IPS/QLED screens can differ, but not so much.

The greatest difference could be in support: service desk, firmwares, broken parts, etc.
And I really have no clue there about Navifly.
As I don't have a Navifly I did not look at all for their firmware. And for that matter: Neither for firmware from Kingsbeat, Navifly, Zhan, etc.
And when it comes to firmware: All FYT compatibles on the same CPU, with/without DSP, in the same aspect ratio* can, with some tweaks, run each others firmware.
Now with the new models and new firmwares having protection in the apks, coupled to the MCU it gets more difficult.

*: not resolution, but aspect ratio: FYTs screen layouts in the apks are terribly old-fashioned and fixed: 1024x600 / 1280x730 =>16:9; Other layouts like 1280x480 or "Tesla style" really require a different firmware. FYT currently can only accomodate the several resolutions if the screen has the same aspect ratio. That is also one of the reasons the FYT apps themselves do not support split-screen. A feature they so much like to advertize, but doesn't work for their own apps. A few new developed apps do support this finally.
 

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so..i decided to buy this Navifly CC3 HU on Aliexpress, the price is much lower than Teyes CC3 . Navifly ship the CC3 from Germany , Teyes ship only from China ...with customs duties.
 
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    Made a quick video showing Android Assistant working and boot time etc.

    https://youtu.be/c5YUJ-yKelg
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    Now, please broaden our knowledge ;)
    It would be nice to know what these restrictions are.
    Well I am making phone calls with Google assistant. Originally when I tried to voice dial, I was getting an error along the lines of "I don't know how to do that yet"

    I had never used Google Assistant so I thought nothing of it. However, I later found access to default Android system settings and saw the option for two dialers. I changed the default dialer and then again thought nothing of it. at the same time I removed a few permissions from some software that was adding dodgy overlays on my screen. They were irritating so I wanted them gone.

    A few days later I tried assistant to request a destination for Google Maps. It worked, so I then tried a phone call and to my suprise it worked.

    I still don't use it much but it was mildly interesting as I had heard that the bigger resellers crippled a dialling and a few other things.

    If it is important, I will try to recall exactly what I did. I feel it is permanent as I have had the unit reboot a few times since and I haven't needed to modify any settings.
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    How are you finding the Navifly?
    I really don't have any complaints. I have the 4GB / 64GB 1280x720 unit. For the most part it just works and did so out of the box.
    • I have only trialed bluetooth pairing to my Xiaomi Mi 9tPro and to the ODBII unit and both worked first time. Don't know about anything else. Can't seem to push files from my phone to the HU with bluetooth. Only tried a few times and didn't investigate further. I just assumed that the failed send was from the crippled BT stack and accepted it. I just used cloud storage instead.
    • The unit is very responsive and I haven't noticed any lag with apps or the screen.
    • Screen touch is accurate and it didn't need any calibration.
    • Radio app is a bit ordinary looking but it works. Voice nav doesn't work for me with radio on. See a previous post about that.
    • I use MS Launcher and that works great for me. Simple and clean.
    • I use Pulsar music player for MP3 tunes.
    • For Nav, I use Google Maps, Waze and also have Zenauto installed and use that for voice dialing. I still haven't decided if I want to use Zenauto as a launcher. The price is steep because it also has its own maps included which I don't want or need.
    • Navifly aren't big on info based on my dealings. There is a basic app that runs through the key points of the major apps, which whilst useful, isn't comprehensive.
    • It took a while to get settings sorted as I wasn't 100% sure of their meanings. There were just a few niggles that I really can't even remember that settings sorted.
    • I auto set up phone hotspot when I detect the HU's bluetooth and it connects everytime to both bluetooth and wifi.
    • Parking my car outside on the road about 30m away from my inside wifi router (one external wall but otherwise reasonable line of site) I get about 50% range on wifi 2.4 ghz. 5ghz at that distance is too patchy and drops out.
    • Wifi antenna is external to the unit and is just a little nub. I didn't think to see if I could unscrew the nub before I installed the unit. It might be possible to unscrew. If so, a new antenna with extension lead could be hooked under the dash for improved wifi.
    • 5ghz and 2.4 ghz wifi from my phone wifi hotspot is solid and fast enough that I haven't bothered with a speedtest.
    • GPS is terrific. Always 18+ satellites and locks on fast. Accuracy about a few metres. Very impressed with it. I set the antenna under the dash behind and centre of the glovebox on my car.
    • Sound quality is a massive improvement over my OEM head unit although I didn't really buy the HU for that purpose. I really just needed good GPS and maps.
    • Screen is very clear and easily readable. Highest settings is just bright enough in the daytime. Auto brightness dim when turning on the headlights is just dull enough. I use a muted coloured wallpaper on the launcher to assist with this.
    • Button colour are adjustable and I think the brightness is, too. Don't quote me on the button brightness, though.
    • Screen gets finger print smudges like you would not believe. I keep a microfibre close handy. You will need one, too. If anyone knows of where to get a good matt screen protector that doesn't drop brightness and is cut to fit these screens, please give me a link.
    • there are 3 usb out via two different connectors from the unit. They either must all run in usb 1 or all in usb 2. No mixing. Change speed in settings. Speed for USB2 seems fine.
    • The unit does get warm as I noticed when I was playing with it during installation but I have not noticed any slow down. I have not had a crash / reboot yet and there is low to mid 30c and high humidity where I am.
    • I have not bothered with adding an external mic yet. Apparently callers on the other end of calls hear me as good as any other handsfree bluetooth car unit.
    • I can be doing 100km/h and click the mic button and tell Google Assistant to add a stop or go somewhere and it hears me so that is suprisingly good. I was expecting to need to add an external mic and bought one and an additional gain adjustment to fine tune it. seems that will just sit on the shelf.
    • I don't use android auto or carplay and haven't even tried. To my way of thinking it actually defeats the purpose of a head unit with Android. If people want the AA interface, why not just run it locally on on the HU? Can anyone give me understanding on why connecting via AA on the phone is a better result?
    • Apparently Carplay is wireless by default. AA by wire default. But there are some ways to get it wireless with an additional piece of software.

    I'm going to go to the beach soon, so I will take a short video and upload it if you like. I also have a new USB extension lead that will flush fit into my console so I will need to remove the HU again at some stage, if you need me to look at anything, let me know.

    I can't think of anything else right now.
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    is there firmware support from Navifly?
    Does it release updates of fw and mcu and where is possible to find it?
    Do you think it is a reliable radio?

    Reliabilty is not the strongest selling point of any of those Chinese units.
    I guess they are more or less basically the same for any manufacturer over the several resellers: FYT as manufacturer in this case.
    I also guess that the "mini"-assembly the resellers do, like TN/IPS/QLED screens can differ, but not so much.

    The greatest difference could be in support: service desk, firmwares, broken parts, etc.
    And I really have no clue there about Navifly.
    As I don't have a Navifly I did not look at all for their firmware. And for that matter: Neither for firmware from Kingsbeat, Navifly, Zhan, etc.
    And when it comes to firmware: All FYT compatibles on the same CPU, with/without DSP, in the same aspect ratio* can, with some tweaks, run each others firmware.
    Now with the new models and new firmwares having protection in the apks, coupled to the MCU it gets more difficult.

    *: not resolution, but aspect ratio: FYTs screen layouts in the apks are terribly old-fashioned and fixed: 1024x600 / 1280x730 =>16:9; Other layouts like 1280x480 or "Tesla style" really require a different firmware. FYT currently can only accomodate the several resolutions if the screen has the same aspect ratio. That is also one of the reasons the FYT apps themselves do not support split-screen. A feature they so much like to advertize, but doesn't work for their own apps. A few new developed apps do support this finally.
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    so..i decided to buy this Navifly CC3 HU on Aliexpress,

    Nice, I am very happy with mine. The navifly does not seem to have all restrictions that I am hearing from other units. But it does have some restrictions.

    From China to Australia, mine landed on business Day 5 or 6.