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mabretske

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I ordered an HDMI micro cable and kept the TS pcb. neither of the digitizers or the TS pcbs have a working combination. I really didn't see the point in holding out for the 1st digitizer, but I did - and nothing is different; except I dropped yet another few bucks.

I agree that without some type of test jig, advanced system specific knowledge or a working system for process of elimination, I'm not going to get much traction. All of the connectors look good and still clamp positively and all of the ribbon cables look good as well.

Attempted to buy a new unit today with the intention of using it for testing and returning it.. Best Buy has discontinued selling them and Fry's charges a 15% restocking fee for returned opened items.. Not feeling like sinking that kinda change into it..

There are four, what look to be common, solder joints on the front side of the TS pcb behind the SD slot that threaten to touch the LCD frame. Probably do with pressure. Without system specific knowledge/schematics, no way of knowing if they are ground or not. Maybe the problem.

Haven't decided what, if any, the next step would be,, other than send the TS pcb back and see if it's still good. If it is, I would have to assume that digitizer failure rate rumour is true.

Stay tuned.
 

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I ordered an HDMI micro cable and kept the TS pcb. neither of the digitizers or the TS pcbs have a working combination. I really didn't see the point in holding out for the 1st digitizer, but I did - and nothing is different; except I dropped yet another few bucks.

I agree that without some type of test jig, advanced system specific knowledge or a working system for process of elimination, I'm not going to get much traction. All of the connectors look good and still clamp positively and all of the ribbon cables look good as well.

Attempted to buy a new unit today with the intention of using it for testing and returning it.. Best Buy has discontinued selling them and Fry's charges a 15% restocking fee for returned opened items.. Not feeling like sinking that kinda change into it..

There are four, what look to be common, solder joints on the front side of the TS pcb behind the SD slot that threaten to touch the LCD frame. Probably do with pressure. Without system specific knowledge/schematics, no way of knowing if they are ground or not. Maybe the problem.

Haven't decided what, if any, the next step would be,, other than send the TS pcb back and see if it's still good. If it is, I would have to assume that digitizer failure rate rumour is true.

Stay tuned.
Hmm. Interesting. I've enclosed two thumbnails of the TS board. I can't seem to find the 4 solder joints you mentioned. TS1 is the side facing the digitizer (downside). One can see the padding piece on top of the sd card receptacle which supposedly would keep the back of the digitizer from contacting any soldered part of the board. The board is raised by the thickness of either the magnesium frame or the sd card slot with the padding. Where would the contact points be? I'm at a loss.
 

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Don't be at a loss

Hmm. Interesting. I've enclosed two thumbnails of the TS board. I can't seem to find the 4 solder joints you mentioned. TS1 is the side facing the digitizer (downside). One can see the padding piece on top of the sd card receptacle which supposedly would keep the back of the digitizer from contacting any soldered part of the board. The board is raised by the thickness of either the magnesium frame or the sd card slot with the padding. Where would the contact points be? I'm at a loss.
Don't be at a loss. Let me help you understand. The 1st image you have there, TS1, the image on the left as it's posted would be the image in question. Behind the SD card slot as shown is a white sticker. Just left of that sticker are the solder joints I am referring to; skirting the edge of the pcb.

Because the SD card slot/reader mounts in a divet (this is where you lose all of that clearance you were pointing out) these joints are precariously close to, if not pressing against, the foil of the LCD edge/frame. As stated in my last post, there is no way of knowing if they are supposed to make contact or not. I think not, else there would be a more positive means of providing the contact. If you removed this pcb from your system, you will see what I mean when you attempt to reinstall it.

Perhaps the TS boards are indeed shorting out - and perhaps this is the reason. This would explain why others have had units that they have never so much as disassembled where their digitizers went wacky and/or died completely without experiencing any trauma; simple pressure could make this happen in time.. In fact, this would explain everything.. If it were the case.

I see you have what appears to be two small foam pads straddling either side of the SD card reader.. I don't remember seeing that - I will have to look again. Those pads, not being in the divet, would possibly provide adequate spacing to keep the contacts from touching the LCD - maybe. Depending on the particular joint height and how tight the pcb was screwed in.

The solder joints in question have the appearance of being common, but so do the joints for the digitizer ribbon cable connectors on the right side of the pcb.

You wrote "One can see the padding piece on top of the sd card receptacle which supposedly would keep the back of the digitizer from contacting any soldered part of the board". Don't confuse my most recent post with one I made earlier regarding that padding piece maybe being a crucial ground to the digitizer. After greater in-depth exploratory surgery, this is evidently not possible.

Sent the TS pcb back today.. Any bets on whether or not it's going to test bad?
 

mabretske

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Going to test good

My bet is that it is going to test good... Here is why..

Recall, Stempassi and GD, that way earlier when I replaced the 1st digitizer I mentioned that it worked once, briefly, while suspended from the system..

I was just beating on this thing - I have gotten quite comfortable with treating it in a rather cavalier fashion, out of frustration I imagine - when lo and behold, it began responding partially in the unlock area of the startup screen. Go f*cking figure..

Downloaded the KOI FREE LIVE WALLPAPER app; it shows touching anywhere on the screen with a ripple effect.. Popped the back off and believe I have established a correlation between applying pressure where the SD card slot is and a reaction from the digitizer.. No time for further investigation tonight - but things are suddenly looking up..

I'm telling you, there is something simple and common that everyone is missing.. And, apparently firmware won't be the issue..

BTW - when I last reinstalled my original TS pcb, I put a sliver of electric tape over those solder joints. Maybe co-incidence, maybe not - but likely so since they're insulated and the problem is still sporadic.

Stay tuned..
 
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BTW - when I last reinstalled my original TS pcb, I put a sliver of electric tape over those solder joints. Maybe co-incidence, maybe not - but likely so since they're insulated and the problem is still sporadic.

Stay tuned..
Don't get this part. You're using the original board and it works intermittently? What is sporadic? You mean to say that with the new board, a shorting at those joints would knock it out, but as soon as you separate them from the dig, it would spring back to life? Uncanny, since I tried two separate boards hanging (unscrewed) with no joy. But I'd be damned if it turns out differently in your case.

UPDATE: Likely a false alarm Mab my man. All four are GND points. Contact between them and the tin rim of the lcd display should do nothing unless the rim is energized somehow, which I don't believe it is. Since the board doesn't touch the dig at any point, screwing one entails screwing the other is due to some internal workings. At the moment, I maintain the cause of failure lies elsewhere, though I willingly stand corrected.
 
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mabretske

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Uh,,, what is sporadic?? Its touch-function has a correlation with pressure on the SD card module on the TS pcb..

And, no, I'm not saying anything about those joints.. In fact, I'm ruling them out because I have them insulated and it still doesn't work - unless I apply the aforementioned pressure, which is disassociated with those joints at the moment because they are insulated.

What I AM saying, is that I believe that there is something common and simple that everyone is missing relating to some type of contact with the TS pcb to some other surface as evidenced by the above behavior. The fact that you tried two hanging pcb's with no joy simply serves to support the assertion.

Not digging into it this weekend - heading to Mexico.
 

mabretske

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Don't get this part. You're using the original board and it works intermittently? What is sporadic? You mean to say that with the new board, a shorting at those joints would knock it out, but as soon as you separate them from the dig, it would spring back to life? Uncanny, since I tried two separate boards hanging (unscrewed) with no joy. But I'd be damned if it turns out differently in your case.

UPDATE: Likely a false alarm Mab my man. All four are GND points. Contact between them and the tin rim of the lcd display should do nothing unless the rim is energized somehow, which I don't believe it is. Since the board doesn't touch the dig at any point, screwing one entails screwing the other is due to some internal workings. At the moment, I maintain the cause of failure lies elsewhere, though I willingly stand corrected.
Where did you get information that they are ground points?
 

graphdarnell

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Where did you get information that they are ground points?
Easy enough. There's continuity between those points and other ground spaces including that around the mounting screws holes. A simple voltmeter testing will confirm that. You on a bounty hunt down in Me-Hi-Co? Seems the most wanted guy in Chicago is a very bad man. So do be careful.:laugh::laugh:
 

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To Whom It May Concern

FYI (anyone who may be interested) - just received information from the outfit where I bought and returned the TS pcb.. check out the following email trail when sending the TS pcb back..

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Dear techno_force,

Eugene,

The item is in transit.

I know that this is not a forum for questions, but I thought that you might be so kind as to let me pick your brain for a moment since you have tested so many of these pcb's.. Shortly after I shipped back your pcb I discovered that I could get some sporadic response from mine if I press on the area of the SD card slot on the pcb.. Evidently mine still works - and I imagine the one I sent back to you still should as well. Is there a ground or some other contact I should be paying special attention to? Any insight you could provide would be truly appreciated.

- mabretske
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Dear mabretske,

Hello, Mike.
It looks like your replacement digitizer may not be compatible with your tablet. Could you, please, provide us with the part number of that digitizer (located on the flex cable).
Thank you.

Best Regards,
Eugene

- techno_force
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Dear techno_force,

Thank you for taking the time.. I tried a 69.10I21.G01 with no luck, then a 69.10I21.G03 (currently installed) with no luck - this is when I found you.. Original shattered digitizer is long gone, so I cannot say what it's p/n was - but I do understand that there is a third type, however, it is unclear from what I have learned whether or not there is incompatibility among the assemblies. Sounds like you might have different information? If you have testing information/knowledge you could pass along, boy I'd sure be interested...

Much Appreciated.

- mabretske
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Dear mabretske,

Hello, Mike.
Your original digitizer has a part number 5158N FPC-1 and you need exact replacement part.
The problem is in firmware for your PCB. Go to Settings->About tablet->Touch Panel Version
There should be a # 3011-4822 that compatible only with 5158N FPC-1 digitizer.
On the latest TF300T tablets touchscreen firmware updates automatically.
But in your case, there is no known way to change PCB firmware and you will need 5158N FPC-1 digitizer to fix the tablet.
Thank you

- techno_force
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Take it for what it's worth... BTW - he was spot on regarding my firmware version.. I suppose this could account for the behavior I am seeing..
 

Stempanssi

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I have now succesfully got a refund from my dig.

Does anyone btw know what the message from ebay regarding a cancellation of the refund means? I already got my refund into paypal...

But as for the email you showed it looks interesting. My orig. Dig. Was that FPC1 and the firmware applies to me aswell so I quess he knows... :)

Sent from my LG-P990
 

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Who were you talking about here?

Easy enough. There's continuity between those points and other ground spaces including that around the mounting screws holes. A simple voltmeter testing will confirm that. You on a bounty hunt down in Me-Hi-Co? Seems the most wanted guy in Chicago is a very bad man. So do be careful.:laugh::laugh:
Who were you talking about here?
 

graphdarnell

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I have now succesfully got a refund from my dig.

Does anyone btw know what the message from ebay regarding a cancellation of the refund means? I already got my refund into paypal...

But as for the email you showed it looks interesting. My orig. Dig. Was that FPC1 and the firmware applies to me aswell so I quess he knows... :)

Sent from my LG-P990
When they refund into your paypal account, there's always that option where I guess you would dispute the amount of refund or something. If you don't do anything, then it will go back to your account after a few days.

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FYI (anyone who may be interested) - just received information from the outfit where I bought and returned the TS pcb.. check out the following email trail when sending the TS pcb back..

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Dear mabretske,

Hello, Mike.
Your original digitizer has a part number 5158N FPC-1 and you need exact replacement part.
The problem is in firmware for your PCB. Go to Settings->About tablet->Touch Panel Version
There should be a # 3011-4822 that compatible only with 5158N FPC-1 digitizer.
On the latest TF300T tablets touchscreen firmware updates automatically.
But in your case, there is no known way to change PCB firmware and you will need 5158N FPC-1 digitizer to fix the tablet.
Thank you

- techno_force
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Take it for what it's worth... BTW - he was spot on regarding my firmware version.. I suppose this could account for the behavior I am seeing..
Question: Mine was not a "latest TF300T." The automatic updating it went through you already know about. Otherwise, when you flash the latest stock ROM, it apparently would update all the incident firmwares for all parts inside. This has been recounted earlier. But according to this account, the firmware on your original PCB cannot be updated! I don't know there's a PCB version that prevents that. Further, if the PCB they sent you was up to date firmware-wise, why didn't it work with either the GO1 or GO3 in your possession?

I tried to extract the firmwares from the stock ROM blob or package but couldn't do it. So I decided to flash the whole package to see what it has to say. Sure enough, it says all firmwares "up-to-date" in Settings/about tablets after completion.

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Who were you talking about here?
I was bantering of course. There's this druglord in Mexico who's wanted in Chicago for distributing narcotics whose reputation has surpassed that of Al Capone. "Extremely violent criminal" was the description.
 
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Stempanssi

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This is how the message looks...
I already transferred the amount from my paypal to my bank account.
Is this thing there because if I would like to complain about the amount of money refunded?
I did get 10 dollars less refund, guess paypal "steals" something, or?
I guess I don`t have to do anything...

Sent from my LG-P990
 

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This is how the message looks...
I already transferred the amount from my paypal to my bank account.
Is this thing there because if I would like to complain about the amount of money refunded?
I did get 10 dollars less refund, guess paypal "steals" something, or?
I guess I don`t have to do anything...

Sent from my LG-P990
That is to cancel a purchase you made earlier. In your case, You need to contact the seller so as to have a mutual cancellation. It's Ebay, not Paypal.
 

Stempanssi

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That is to cancel a purchase you made earlier. In your case, You need to contact the seller so as to have a mutual cancellation. It's Ebay, not Paypal.
If I press the respond now button, I get two options: to decline or accept this cancellation. Which one must I choose?

Sent from my LG-P990
 

mabretske

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If I press the respond now button, I get two options: to decline or accept this cancellation. Which one must I choose?

Sent from my LG-P990
Accept the cancellation... This way they are done with you - or, you are done with it. This more or less is your acceptance of the termination of the transaction.. If you have issues with any of what's going on, THEN you would decline..

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Question: Mine was not a "latest TF300T." The automatic updating it went through you already know about. Otherwise, when you flash the latest stock ROM, it apparently would update all the incident firmwares for all parts inside. This has been recounted earlier. But according to this account, the firmware on your original PCB cannot be updated! I don't know there's a PCB version that prevents that. Further, if the PCB they sent you was up to date firmware-wise, why didn't it work with either the GO1 or GO3 in your possession?

I tried to extract the firmwares from the stock ROM blob or package but couldn't do it. So I decided to flash the whole package to see what it has to say. Sure enough, it says all firmwares "up-to-date" in Settings/about tablets after completion.



The Touch firmware is in the mainboard, NOT the Touch pcb.. There are older versions of the mainboad, which Stemp and I evidently have, according to the folks at Technoforce.. See below (in reverse order):

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Dear mabretske,

No, I'm referring to main board firmware. PCB are all the same.
You have only 2 options - replace digitizer or main board.

- techno_force

Click "respond" to reply through Messages, or go to your email to reply
Respond

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From: mabretske
To: techno_force
Subject: Re: Returns: mabretske sent a message about OEM ASUS TF300T 32GB 16GB Tablet SD Card Slot Touchscreen Board with Cable TF300 #190784972545
Sent Date: Feb-19-13 21:01:03 PST

Dear techno_force,

I am assuming that the firmware you are referring to is in the TS pcb (like what I sent back)? Impossible to send me a replacement pcb with updated firmware?

Just a thought..

Please advise.

- mabretske

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From: techno_force
To: mabretske
Subject: Re: Returns: mabretske sent a message about OEM ASUS TF300T 32GB 16GB Tablet SD Card Slot Touchscreen Board with Cable TF300 #190784972545
Sent Date: Feb-18-13 22:40:40 PST

Dear mabretske,

Hello, Mike.
Your original digitizer has a part number 5158N FPC-1 and you need exact replacement part.
The problem is in firmware for your PCB. Go to Settings->About tablet->Touch Panel Version
There should be a # 3011-4822 that compatible only with 5158N FPC-1 digitizer.
On the latest TF300T tablets touchscreen firmware updates automatically.
But in your case, there is no known way to change PCB firmware and you will need 5158N FPC-1 digitizer to fix the tablet.
Thank you

- techno_force

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It's sounds as though when you replaced your lcd/digitizer assembly you somehow destroyed either your TS pcb or ribbon cable thereby inhibiting your mainboard from identifying the digitizer assembly (and evidently you have the newer style mainboard). I think I recall seeing something you posted regarding your ribbon cable being dorked up, no??

Correct me if I am not accounting this accurately - but when you replaced the ribbon/TS pcb combo, your newer style mainboard updated it's firmware appropriately since it could interface to the digitizer.. Does this not follow?

(This all still begs for an answer to the question why an older style mainboard would be using Touch firmware with a higher build number)
 
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The Touch firmware is in the mainboard, NOT the Touch pcb.. There are older versions of the mainboad, which Stemp and I evidently have, according to the folks at Technoforce.. See below (in reverse order):

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Dear mabretske,

No, I'm referring to main board firmware. PCB are all the same.
You have only 2 options - replace digitizer or main board.

- techno_force

Click "respond" to reply through Messages, or go to your email to reply
Respond

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From: mabretske
To: techno_force
Subject: Re: Returns: mabretske sent a message about OEM ASUS TF300T 32GB 16GB Tablet SD Card Slot Touchscreen Board with Cable TF300 #190784972545
Sent Date: Feb-19-13 21:01:03 PST

Dear techno_force,

I am assuming that the firmware you are referring to is in the TS pcb (like what I sent back)? Impossible to send me a replacement pcb with updated firmware?

Just a thought..

Please advise.

- mabretske

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From: techno_force
To: mabretske
Subject: Re: Returns: mabretske sent a message about OEM ASUS TF300T 32GB 16GB Tablet SD Card Slot Touchscreen Board with Cable TF300 #190784972545
Sent Date: Feb-18-13 22:40:40 PST

Dear mabretske,

Hello, Mike.
Your original digitizer has a part number 5158N FPC-1 and you need exact replacement part.
The problem is in firmware for your PCB. Go to Settings->About tablet->Touch Panel Version
There should be a # 3011-4822 that compatible only with 5158N FPC-1 digitizer.
On the latest TF300T tablets touchscreen firmware updates automatically.
But in your case, there is no known way to change PCB firmware and you will need 5158N FPC-1 digitizer to fix the tablet.
Thank you

- techno_force

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It's sounds as though when you replaced your lcd/digitizer assembly you somehow destroyed either your TS pcb or ribbon cable thereby inhibiting your mainboard from identifying the digitizer assembly (and evidently you have the newer style mainboard). I think I recall seeing something you posted regarding your ribbon cable being dorked up, no??

Correct me if I am not accounting this accurately - but when you replaced the ribbon/TS pcb combo, your newer style mainboard updated it's firmware appropriately since it could interface to the digitizer.. Does this not follow?

(This all still begs for an answer to the question why an older style mainboard would be using Touch firmware with a higher build number)
The answer may be convoluted, but I'll try. The TS PCB apparently was damaged when I impacted the tab. It hadn't worked afterwards, even after I replaced the dig. The ribbon destroyed when I removed the PCB was the flat silver one going form the TS Brd to the Mainboard. Now my understanding is that the dig interacts with the TS Brd - not the mainboard - though the firmware residing in the mainboard does control the tracking on the dig.

Since all TS brds are the same, there's no compatibility issue between it and any version of the dig. Which leaves the mainboard and its firmware. I understand you infer there are older versions of the mainboard from what vendor implied (Eugene never came out and said that directly). That being the case, why would the mainboard not recognize the PCB/dig combo? It must work as evidenced by my case and Tandynor's.

I'd understand if, and only if, your mainboard somehow cannot recognize this combo. But why wouldn't it? The bridge (TS PCB) is the same across the board. If it can interact with any version of the dig, what business is it of the MB's to sabotage it? Can you imagine Asus improving hardware (what is it exactly? I did scour for information and nowhere is it mentioned that a major chip has been replaced) and software on the mainboard while keeping the rest intact? What would be the reason for this change if everything was working properly? You didn't notice any major flaws on you TS prior to the accident, did you?

I can imagine they replaced the dig version because of whatever reason, but wouldn't you think it'd make economic sense to acquire a compatible dig (with similar specs) instead of redesigning the hardware on the mainboard? Firmware nowadays is no longer printed indelibly on some proms. They are kept in the nand, and that's why you can flash different roms and update firmwares to your heart's content. Not being able to go back to ICS from JB is a software question, not hardware.

Normally, as in the case of the PC motherboards, you'd have several revisions, so when they release the firmware updates, they would specify which version for which hardware revisions. Not in our case though. I've yet to see specific firmware versions for each different version of the mainboard on the TF300T. If one size fits all, the hardware must be basically the same, so saying the firmware mysteriously cannot be updated on "some" unit just doesn't wash.

If you're game, I'd suggest that you make a backup of your nandroid, then flash the latest official firmware on yours (using CWM since TWRP only works with touchscreen). I can restore a backup of the same on mine, then we can compare the touchscreen firmware afterwards. If they both have the same designation, then we'd know what the red herring is.:good::good:

EDIT: I just reflashed mine with latest stock rom. As you can see from the attached thumbnails, the latest TS firmware on mine (and I did check for updates) is ELAN 3011-4820. Unless you want to argue that your mainboard was produced later than mine, which makes it even more absurd, where the later hardware and firmware still do not accommodate the earlier digs. And Asus did that on purpose just to mess with us!!!
 

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Serial connection on motherboard?

Hi,

just a question for anyone that has removed the back or motherboard from there device.

I was wondering if anyone has seen, could either be 3 or 4 male pins, female sockets or even just a small round or square dots with the following next writing next to each, it will be very small writing.

VCC
RXD
TXD
GRD OR GROUND

So in other words a serial connection point the the motherboard/chip itself?
 

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Hadn't really noticed.. Trying to track down the USB traces on the mainboard or something? What are you looking to do here? Hatching some kinda sabotage? Sup?













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