THE OFFICIAL OFF-TOPIC THREAD! :)

[eagleeyetom]

If you like to chat - it's a perfect place for you!
Respect each other and have a lot of fun :laugh:

 

[isma33]

OK, i'll be the first in this thread

i wonder if WP 8 will be installable on current lumia 1st gen.


i read some thread who's talkin about but well if hardware are missing for WP 8 feature we can run WP 8 without using those feature... like NFC and others


So why it can't really be possible, due to bootloader restriction ? kernel ?

I'm not programmer that's why my question seems like "newbie"


I'm forgine me about my english ..

 

[ChrisKringel]

OK, i'll be the first in this thread

i wonder if WP 8 will be installable on current lumia 1st gen.


i read some thread who's talkin about but well if hardware are missing for WP 8 feature we can run WP 8 without using those feature... like NFC and others


So why it can't really be possible, due to bootloader restriction ? kernel ?

I'm not programmer that's why my question seems like "newbie"


I'm forgine me about my english ..

First: I'm not an IT expert so there might be some mistakes in the following Explanation.
The first thing we have to consider is the architecture. As you may know there are different processors out there. There are the "old-fashioned" computer x84 (32bit) processors and the now well spread 64bit processors. For mobiles there are ARM processors. When a program is compiled it gets translated into certain codes that are executed by the processor (and other hardware like the graphics processor). So every OS has to be programmed, optimized and tested on a range of processor types. There are even differences in different generations of these processors with different capabilities. I don't really think that matters to the WP8 portability, as far as I know only the performance would be different.

However WP8 also has a different kernel. Windows Phone 7 is based on WinCE and Windows Phone 8 will have the same "foundation" as the Windows 8 products. This presents us with the first problem. Every phone has "custom" peripherals by the OEM: the camera, the speakers and microphone, WLAN chips, BT hardware, etc.. This hardware is different for every device series. A HTC Mozart has a different camera than a HTC Titan, and our Lumias have even another version ( I think you get the point). The Windows Phone operating system doesn't really know how to access all the variations of different peripherals directly. A HTC camera is controlled in a different way than a Lumia camera. This is why the OEMs (Nokia, HTC, Samsung, etc.) have to write drivers and integrate them into their phone software. A driver provides a way for the System to communicate with the hardware. The driver defines a fixed set of functions. For a camera some of the functions could be: "Give me your current status", "What do you currently see", "Set the ISO value to X". So Windows Phone doesn't know how to do the operations directly on the hardware, instead it knows that there is a driver that has the functions to do the desired task. The phone communicates through the driver with the hardware. The way of communication is like a predefined contract and every manufacturer has to implement this contract. However Windows Phone 8 changes some things how drivers are handled (the contract has changed) so the OEMs would have to rewrite their drivers. This is tied to lots of work, ressources, time and money.

(At this point you might ask why the HD2 can run Windows Phone 7. This is because the HD2 hardware is very very similar to the HD7 hardware. So the HD2 can use drivers of the HD7. Also Windows Mobile is based on WinCE as well.)

Another thing is that Windows Phone 8 is speculated to bring a number of security related improvements. These come with restrictions as well. It is possible that some hardware is required to encrypt and decrypt certain stuff. (Now a very speculative part) Windows Phone 8 might also require UEFI. When you turn on your PC the OS has to be loaded somehow. This is most commonly done by the BIOS. The BIOS is saved on a chip on your motherboard and this chip is (more or less) a read only memory [when you open your computer you might see a chip with a shiny PHOENIX or AWARD sticker on it]. It is not always easy to update the BIOS and manipulating it can cause your PC to become unbootable. UEFI is a successor to the BIOS. It (UEFI) implements a wide array of features. For instance it can check signatures and verify the OS integrity to see if someone has manipulated the OS.

These are just my two cents, you can find more (possible) reasons by digging through the various WP7&8 sections here on XDA. Also feel free to ask if something is unclear. It's hard to tell the hardware related reasons that prevent porting because I didn't stumble upon a "Windows Phone 8 hardware requirements"-sheet yet. But I guess security related hardware is the main thing that prevents WP8 from being ported to current generation hardware. On the bootloader/BIOS/UEFI thing, a person with more knowledge about Emmbeded Systems could explain more I guess.

Regards
Chris

 

[cdbase]

off top

ok hello im really angry about lumia 800 and it's unlock possibilities (dev unl only) i got mine since last year ,how long
should we wait for someone to talk about that problem , heath ,jax and others twitter pages seems to lack of that info
so what the heck? why nobody talk about it and solve our problem ? tell me

 

[Reflexdarky]

ok hello im really angry about lumia 800 and it's unlock possibilities (dev unl only) i got mine since last year ,how long
should we wait for someone to talk about that problem , heath ,jax and others twitter pages seems to lack of that info
so what the heck? why nobody talk about it and solve our problem ? tell me

posts like that are really gonna motivate them in to working on the lumia 800 :laugh:

 

[surya467]

I guess its the end of lumia 800, its been 6 months for my 800 and i could just carry on with dev unlock..
And trying to run hombrews which dont need root, not that im sad with the phone, but looking at most other WP phones open to other greater ROMs get me hyped.

Root is something a high end phone like this needs!!

And im sure WP8 cant be ported to the 800, WP7.8 is enough, since there is a lot of changes that we see over the web, including a new lockscreen for WP8 and not wp 7.8.

well right now dllimport project has given us yet another app BluePhoto Beta done by navisluni, so i dont know if any of the devs would like to sit and have a Nth thought of an unlock for 800.

The main problme is the lumia has fallen in hands of youngsters since its a NOKIA phone, young people tend to buy this phone and they have knowledge enough to say that a root is needed to customize this OS a bit, or else its a beauty!

Till now only 710 is the great one, and 800,900 and 610 are left behind.

I just hope there is a universal way to root the device types, because checking some stuff over the web, WP7.8 doesnt implement secure boot in any way...so we still have a free open OS, but to its current restrictions.

All the best to anyone trying for an unlock in anyway..

 

[Rataplan]

Lumia 920

See this,

http://www.nokia.com/global/products/phone/lumia920/specifications


Greets,

 

[KimWinter]

I don''t know where to post this but has any of you been having issues downloading apps from the marketplace?

I noticed that I cannot download any application that are more than 15mb - once it reaches 50% it says "Attention required. Tap Here.". I can download large podcasts just fine but its another story for apps.

Also, I noticed that you can login using a single Windows Live account on two phones (I have a Dell Venue Pro and a Nokia Lumia 800), could this be interfering with the downloads? (BTW I'm trying to download games that are already installed on my Dell to my Lumia - then again I was able to install the apps that have a relatively small file size).

 

[garo38]

I don''t know where to post this but has any of you been having issues downloading apps from the marketplace?

I noticed that I cannot download any application that are more than 15mb - once it reaches 50% it says "Attention required. Tap Here.". I can download large podcasts just fine but its another story for apps.

Also, I noticed that you can login using a single Windows Live account on two phones (I have a Dell Venue Pro and a Nokia Lumia 800), could this be interfering with the downloads? (BTW I'm trying to download games that are already installed on my Dell to my Lumia - then again I was able to install the apps that have a relatively small file size).

try the free zune more personal space micro sim, like personal space you have to fill your stuff already, sorry for my English.

 

[samanuel]

lumia noise

Hi
I got a new lumia 800 about a week ago and I've noticed it makes interference sounds (the same noise one would hear coming from a radio speaker while a mobile getting a call or msg near by) while speaking on the phone or even when just browsing or playing with it. Also when i'm recieving a call or email. It seems strange to me as my old phone never made these sounds. Has anyone experienced this on their lumia?
I wonder if there is something wrong with mine.

 

[nonblk]

lumia 800 case

Hello ! today i bought a phone case with 15$ , it has a few scratches but I'm undecided between paint it yellow or leave it like that

 

[code2]

Does exist sim unlocking method?

Thx for reply.

 

[Hewell]

Anyone has a news about change bootloader from Dload to Qualcoom?

 

[danj88]

For the 800 or 710?

710 guide here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26697553&postcount=117

 

[phantomsniper773]

Anybody have any experience replacing the glass of the Lumia 710? I just bought my phone off eBay for $100, and although the seller said it was in "like new condition", the screen is pretty scratched up. Normally I'd complain and return it, but I think $100 is still a pretty good deal. I was thinking of buying a new screen + digitizer for like $25, but I'm a little worried about removing mine. Specifically about the part where you have to heat up the LCD screen to remove it from the glass because it's stuck with double-sided tape.

Otherwise, the phone is still in warranty, so would Nokia replace the glass under warranty? or at least at a discounted price from the out of warranty price?

 

[d3monhax0r]

Unlocked my 710.
What roms would you guys recommend? I tried rataplan, but there's no 4g, which I want..

 

[IonutZuker]

RainbowMod rom . for 710 .:victory:

 

[sherbibv]

I want to buy a Nokia charger because I'm currently using a Samsung charger(galaxySL). Is AC-10E good? I'm really confused about which charger should I buy.

Thank !

 

[chief]

Hello ! today i bought a phone case with 15$ , it has a few scratches but I'm undecided between paint it yellow or leave it like that

this blue one is a case? Yellow would be like L920 but I'm of a different opinion.
Why wear case and make phone fatter, enjoy as he is without it.
Producer of the phone wasn't thinking what case will match but how to make the phone tough enough to not using cases

 

[Zood]

Wow

I think I just found the most desolate place on the whole board!