Underwater test done

[Dsteppa]

I've taken my XZ in Thermal Waters in Saturnia:

http://www.termedisaturnia.it/en/

I've spent 8 hours there, i've always kept the phone with me, in everty attraction of the Termal resort, iven in depth till 5 meters,
in the hot waterfalls, in the swimming pool all the time, also in the descending course and in the pool with the mud.

I made several calls around, also playd with Internet to check email, and made several shots (i can post some).

In the evening in rinsed the phone with warm water to clean from mud and from SULFUR (there was sulfuric water).

- Perfect -

Ya it's possible no doubt, but what Ryland Johnson meant is that in the end/after a while you will notice the side effects because of that.

 

[waveloom]

Ya it's possible no doubt, but what Ryland Johnson meant is that in the end/after a while you will notice the side effects because of that.

I definitively don't think so.

I think that to damage seals you have to keep the phone in altered PH for something like 1000 hours.

That's the time that high PH takes to melt plastic (salt at 0.5%, chloride at 0.003%, sulphur at 0.05%, and other chemicals normally in water).

That's would not occur in the entire lifespan of the phone.. as long as we are not fishes, and the exposure to water will be very limited for all of us.

I think it is safe to play with the phone in all kind of water all the time you like... i would just recommend to rinse after use and add an additional film to the screen or at least, do not remove the shatterproof film, as long as salt or chloride may affect glass clarity with time and time, xpecially if you take the phone to the sea all the summer.

IPX Certifications are serious things. Pressure is another matter, 30 minutes in one meter, means at least 10 minutes till 10 meters.. but i would not recomment using this phone for deep immersion with oxygen tanks. That's what is meant to be water resistant instead than water proof.

What that guy describes is a "splash proof" phone, but family like iPhone4/5 and Galaxy S2/S3 are already splash proof..

Iphone 4S immersion test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKoMw-pMhg0

Galaxy S3 vs IPhone water test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If8G3UxeV-8

but they are not responsive to full immersion (beside, full immersion test have been passed from some of that phones) but the Sony XZ is really far from them.

Xperia Z: Chocolate test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE79SD9xtRo

 

[egzthunder1]

I definitively don't think so.

I think that to damage seals you have to keep the phone in altered PH for something like 1000 hours.

That's the time that high PH takes to melt plastic (salt at 0.5%, chloride at 0.003%, sulphur at 0.05%, and other chemicals normally in water).

That's would not occur in the entire lifespan of the phone.. as long as we are not fishes, and the exposure to water will be very limited for all of us.

I think it is safe to play with the phone in all kind of water all the time you like... i would just recommend to rinse after use and add an additional film to the screen or at least, do not remove the shatterproof film, as long as salt or chloride may affect glass clarity with time and time, xpecially if you take the phone to the sea all the summer.

IPX Certifications are serious things. Pressure is another matter, 30 minutes in one meter, means at least 10 minutes till 10 meters.. but i would not recomment using this phone for deep immersion with oxygen tanks. That's what is meant to be water resistant instead than water proof.

What that guy describes is a "splash proof" phone, but family like iPhone4/5 and Galaxy S2/S3 are already splash proof..

Iphone 4S immersion test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKoMw-pMhg0

Galaxy S3 vs IPhone water test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If8G3UxeV-8

but they are not responsive to full immersion (beside, full immersion test have been passed from some of that phones) but the Sony XZ is really far from them.

Xperia Z: Chocolate test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE79SD9xtRo

I think that to damage seals you have to keep the phone in altered PH for something like 1000 hours.

That's the time that high PH takes to melt plastic (salt at 0.5%, chloride at 0.003%, sulphur at 0.05%, and other chemicals normally in water).

Uhmmm.... what?

High pH on a sulphur aqueous solution would denote the presence of an acid such as H2SO4, for Chloride, you are likely looking at HCl.... both of these are acids, which have low pH, not high (the lower the pH, the more acidic it is). Higher pH equates to alkaline (or basic) solutions. Salt in water... what salt? Salt is a very common term for a chemical compound and most of these are pH neutral. If you are talking about NaCl, regardless of how much salt you put in your "solution" your pH will still be 7. Seawater has a pH that lingers between 7 and 8... mother nature is wise as anything much higher or much lower would effectively wipe out any and all life in the ocean.

I think that to damage seals you have to keep the phone in altered PH...

No. Chemical attack could (and does occur) instantly. It is not a matter of concentration (although higher concentrations do not help) but rather chemical compatibility between the seals and the wetting chemical. Seals (unless welding is used) are normally elastomers or metal seals. The latter are normally impervious to chemical attack (SS316L and Inconel 625 for instance have high chemical resistance). Having said that, metal seals are normally used for valving, manifolds, etc. Most/all other applications requiring some form of sealing is done with rubber/elastomer gaskets. There are various types, many of which have different properties and resistance to chemical attacks of different kinds.

Exposing an elastomer to a chemical that is incompatible with it, will lead to an immediate attack. The rate of the reaction (again) will depend on chemical species, presence of catalysts (either chemical or in the form of energy such as heat) and several other factors. Also, the moment you hurt the integrity of the seal, regarless of how little, your seals become compromised and as such you are no longer protected as per manufacturer's specifications. The only solution is to change the seals in question. You do not need to let the seal dissolve completely for leaks to spring.

I think it is safe to play with the phone in all kind of water all the time you like... i would just recommend to rinse after use and add an additional film to the screen or at least, do not remove the shatterproof film, as long as salt or chloride may affect glass clarity with time and time, xpecially if you take the phone to the sea all the summer.

Sorry but this makes no sense. The film is not impervious to chemical attack. In fact, you will likely have better chemical resistance on the face(s) of your phone if you take these out as glass is impervious to most chemical attacks (including seawater and "chloride"... )

Pressure is another matter, 30 minutes in one meter, means at least 10 minutes till 10 meters.

What did I just read? The amount of pressure under water increases by roughly 1 bar for every 10 m, so you are looking at roughly 2 bars of pressure on top of the device at that depth. Where did you get the 10 min to 10 meter relationship from? It makes no sense...


Just gonna leave it at that...

 

[waveloom]

Uhmmm.... what?
Just gonna leave it at that...

Thank you, i wasnt looking for a lesson of chemestry or pressure.

Beside that i mean low ph not high, and bar pressure measurement was incorrect..

I took my XZ to Thermal waters, and it back home like new, also, the external seals didnt show any kind of damage.

So, my opinion it that the phone suits well to any water situation.

 

[egzthunder1]

Thank you, i wasnt looking for a lesson of chemistry of pressure, and didn't spent time reading your pointless message after the first line...

I took my XZ to Thermal waters, and it back home like new, also, the external seals didnt show any kind of damage.

So, my opinion it that the phone suits well to any water situation.

My point with my "chemistry lesson" is that you should not talk about things like this unless you know what you are talking about. All your statements are false and erroneous, and unfortunately, people tend to take what they read to heart. Nothing against you and if you want to take your Z to a sauna, thermal waters, or even into Dante's fiery inferno itself, you are free to do so. Just don't come into the forum stating things which you don't seem to understand.

There already is enough misinformation among users surrounding this device to also need to butcher Chemistry and Physics as well. That is all...

Ps. You did not see external seals because there aren't any. The seals I am talking about are all internal and you would not be able to see them unless you cracked the device open. On top of that, you would not be able to see damage with the naked eye anyways unless of course the chemical attack was strong enough to cause a lot of damage to it...

Sent from mALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!

 

[waveloom]

My point with my "chemistry lesson" i!

By to opposite side, i posted that just because of people running around the forum, and posting everywhere the same post like "noo...dont put your XZ in Water...it is delicate electronic equipment...it is just water resistant..not water proof..."

Probably i was incorrect about PH and Pressure, but i am correct when i talk about IPX certifications, and that this phone can be submerged without any worries.. i also doubt when i see around post of people showing water behind the screen of the phone..i dont know if that is photoshop or sort of propaganda against Sony.. there are many Samsung or Apple fan all around, and still they didnt get a waterproof phone.. so.. it is easy going to forum to spit over, other phones tech specifications...

Also because i got rain with the charging port open, and nothing passed through the screen.. just the charging port didnt work for 12 hours.

and the seals i am talking about, are visible..the are over the charging port and the sim card port.. and they are the same that are inside (those "invisible" you are talking about), beside shape or size, they are same material, and they may be affected by low ph or pressure, and if they are damaged or start to be.. can be noticed by eyes.

 

[LBTaylor1984]

I appreciate some of the comments on this thread but lets remember that it has been certified by the IP code

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code

When the phone is rated as IP57

5 = Dust protected Ingress of dust is not entirely prevented, but it must not enter in sufficient quantity to interfere with the satisfactory operation of the equipment; complete protection against contact

7 = Immersion up to 1 m Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion). Test duration: 30 minutes
Immersion at depth of at least 1 m measured at bottom of device, and at least 15 cm measured at top of device

While it's clear that this isn't made for diving or other deep water activities, but the rating does tell you that it has been tested to that standard, but my go beyond that spec but not as far level 8

 

[waveloom]

I appreciate some of the comments on this thread but lets remember that it has been certified by the IP code

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code

When the phone is rated as IP57

5 = Dust protected Ingress of dust is not entirely prevented, but it must not enter in sufficient quantity to interfere with the satisfactory operation of the equipment; complete protection against contact

7 = Immersion up to 1 m Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion). Test duration: 30 minutes
Immersion at depth of at least 1 m measured at bottom of device, and at least 15 cm measured at top of device

While it's clear that this isn't made for diving or other deep water activities, but the rating does tell you that it has been tested to that standard, but my go beyond that spec but not as far level 8

Thanks good post. Also i heard Sony announced a new XZ for late 2013 with IP68 certification ! Ready for diving..

 

[egzthunder1]

By to opposite side, i posted that just because of people running around the forum, and posting everywhere the same post like "noo...dont put your XZ in Water...it is delicate electronic equipment...it is just water resistant..not water proof..."

That is because it is a delicate piece of electronic equipment... and no, it is not water proof... Look around and tell me at what point Sony stated that this was indeed a waterproof device. I dare you to find one piece of written evidence where Sony explicitly states that the Xperia Z is waterproof... warnings given around here are for people to stop doing stupid things with the devices (like the guy earlier in this thread who dunked his in beer or the other one where people decided to cook their Z's in Thai soup).

Probably i was incorrect about PH and Pressure

Probably?

, but i am correct when i talk about IPX certifications

I have yet to read anything you said regarding IPX... that is, other than this

IPX Certifications are serious things. Pressure is another matter, 30 minutes in one meter, means at least 10 minutes till 10 meters..

Pressure is not just another matter. Pressure IS the matter at hand...

i also doubt when i see around post of people showing water behind the screen of the phone..i dont know if that is photoshop or sort of propaganda against Sony.

. there are many Samsung or Apple fan all around, and still they didnt get a waterproof phone..

Neither did Sony customers...

Also because i got rain with the charging port open, and nothing passed through the screen.. just the charging port didnt work for 12 hours.

Rain should be fine. Unless you seriously messed up the seals, it should not go through. Then again, I have used most devices I have owned in the rain without issues....

and the seals i am talking about, are visible..the are over the charging port and the sim card port.. and they are the same that are inside (those "invisible" you are talking about), beside shape or size, they are same material, and they may be affected by low ph or pressure, and if they are damaged or start to be.. can be noticed by eyes.

You do realize that the ports are only a small portion of the places by which water can get through, right?

Are they the same material? I have looked far and wide and I have been unable to find this information. Not saying you are wrong, but how can you be sure?

Once again, you talk about chemistry in here... the pH is not really the issue. The issue comes from chemical compatibility (aka chemical species in contact with the seal). Let me put an example for you: most of these seals are good in the presence of some organic solvents. However, there are some of these solvents that will destroy said seals... Why do I bring this up? Organic solvents have no measurable pH.

Please, just stop arguing already. You took your phone to thermal waters and it turned out fine, good for you. You want to do it again? Be my guest, just don't come in here suggesting to others that it is safe and essentially implying that they should all try it. This is the issue I have with your original post (aside from the vast amount of misinformation you have provided).

 

[conantroutman]

or even into Dante's fiery inferno itself

I would not recommend this at all, the network coverage is atrocious.

 

[Michealtbh]

or even into Dante's fiery inferno itself/QUOTE]

I would not recommend this at all, the network coverage is atrocious.

Thermal throttling gets a bit ridiculous too

 

[egzthunder1]

Thermal throttling gets a bit ridiculous too

Ironically, that is how the z feels like after using it for a while

 

[Smartphoner]

My underwater test was successful, on and off immersion in swimming pool for like 3 hours after making sure all port covers were sealed properly. Quality of pics and videos was amazing! Used camera zoom fx to take snapshots underwater. Loudspeaker grill was blocked for some time but cleared out after a while with no problem. It was really cool surfing on facebook and making phonecalls while swimming. This phone takes technology to a whole new entrainment experience!!!
Thank you Sony!!!

Sent from my C6603 using xda premium

 

[chefnoob]

For god's sake people! Its his phone! He can shove it where the sun dont shine if he wants to...its his given right.

Cool pics guys. Did the camera have trouble focusing underwater?

Sent from my C6603 using xda app-developers app

 

[yujin_11]

For god's sake people! Its his phone! He can shove it where the sun dont shine if he wants to...its his given right.

Cool pics guys. Did the camera have trouble focusing underwater?

Sent from my C6603 using xda app-developers app

hey people!(maybe there are ladies who are around here), if you want to have the volume down button as camera button(without an app) use black97one's mod
@chefnoob: I've tried taking videos underwater, and they were good even at night(turn the flash on first)

 

[chefnoob]

hey people!(maybe there are ladies who are around here), if you want to have the volume down button as camera button(without an app) use black97one's mod

@chefnoob: I've tried taking videos underwater, and they were good even at night(turn the flash on first)

Cool... I gotta try this next time I go swimming... iOS fanboi's, eat your hearts out.


Sent from my C6603 using xda app-developers app

 

[st93]

Swimming in the sea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gRNtQJV7P0

I did it. And still working like charm

 

[beni8978]

Something new,one of the best parties.


C6603 ?

 

[beni8978]

OP updated,new video added in a aquapark.

C6603 ?

 

[theskig]

I tested Xperia Z and Bluetooth streaming