*UPDATE* Bootloader v3

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Just FYI, it appears with the new Blv3 firmwares, the device will only accept official firmware. Meaning, no more flashing U1 firmware on the carrier models, or vice versa. No more flashing U or U1 firmware to the Canadian W models. Flashing between carrier firmwares is fine as long as it's on a carrier branded device (running TMB on a VZW device, etc). But running 950U firmware on a 950U1 will result in a brick, that is this far unrecoverable.

If your currently are running U1 firmware on a U device, vice versa, or running W firmware on a U or U1 device, or vice versa, you need to flash back to the firmware version that shipped with your device BEFORE you accept any OTAs that take you up to Blv3. Currently the S series is still on BlV2, but may go to Blv3 like the Note series just did.

This has been tested and confirmed.

Credit goes to @me2151, @FatalONEM8 for discovering this and warning people. I didn't find the issue or test, it just passing on the info to hopefully save some bricks.

Update from @mweinbach:

"EDIT: After being tested by XDA Senior member me2151, it turns out cross region flashing does work. Prince Comsy Odin is working, but we can not test if the factory binary flashing will hard brick your phone. So flashing US unlocked onto a US carrier device should work."

To expand a bit on what @mweinbach*just said, @me2151*did some more testing, and he was able to successfully carrier switch from a 950U to 950W using Comsey ODIN. So it looks like Comsey ODIN is not patched as we originally thought. Not sure exactly what caused the tester's phone to brick, but it HARD BRICKED and had to be RMA'd at his expense. So we jumped on the forums here to warn others until more testing could be done. @mweinbach*wrote the article and @xdanilvaand I began posting here.*

We may have overreacted, but wanted to err on the side of caution to protect people from hard bricks.*

The Blv3 factory binary has not been tested, so still unsure if/how we will be able to use it, or if it will cause issues.*

For now, carry on as usual, but understand we still don't know the full implications of the Blv3 patches. One person has already HARD BRICKED, and @me2151*almost hard bricked testing all of this for us.
 
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nfremd

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So If I own a Sm-G950U1 but I have been running G950U Tmobile Oreo beta and upgrade to the stable oreo I'll brick my phone? In order to prevent this I'll have to first go back to G950U1 on nouget and then go up to oreo?

I don't really want to do this because I am loving using the T-Mobile variant because it gives me multiuser (digits) since it's built in.
 

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As far as I know, if you are on the Oreo beta, at least on the Snapdragon US variant, you are still on v2 (the number after the U in the build number is the bootloader version). Do not accept any OTAs and only update if you are completely certain you want to be stuck.
 

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As far as I know, if you are on the Oreo beta, at least on the Snapdragon US variant, you are still on v2 (the number after the U in the build number is the bootloader version). Do not accept any OTAs and only update if you are completely certain you want to be stuck.

Does this mean that we can update to a build with Bootloader v3, but don't expect to be able to change carriers afterwards? :( For example, I switched my S8 from ATT to XAA to get rid of the bloat. Should I restore to ATT on Nougat or can I stay on Oreo beta on the unlocked U1 firmware?
 

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Does this mean that we can update to a build with Bootloader v3, but don't expect to be able to change carriers afterwards? :( For example, I switched my S8 from ATT to XAA to get rid of the bloat. Should I restore to ATT on Nougat or can I stay on Oreo beta on the unlocked U1 firmware?

You can stay on the unlocked firmware for now, but once you switch to one of the carrier firmwares with v3, you cannot go back to anything other than a carrier firmware with v3. You should be ok for now, but just be sure that the next time you update that it is not on v3 or you'll be stuck permanently or until a fix is found.
 
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You can stay on the unlocked firmware for now, but once you switch to one of the carrier firmwares with v3, you cannot go back to anything other than a carrier firmware with v3. You should be ok for now, but just be sure that the next time you update that it is not on v3 or you'll be stuck permanently or until a fix is found.

My question is I have an ATT unlocked device on Cricket Wireless running the oreo beta since I flashed it to unlocked firmware. Should I revert back to Nougat before the final oreo build or just stick with it?
 

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If your currently are running U1 firmware on a U device, vice versa, or running W firmware on a U or U1 device, or vice versa, you need to flash back to the firmware version that shipped with your device BEFORE you accept any OTAs that take you up to Blv3.

So what you're saying is, I'm running U1 on my Note8, if I take an OTA with BL3, it will brick?
 
Honestly, I think that the latter is what does it. Are y'all flashing from a fully OTA'd BLv3 Carrier FW to the BLv2 U1 FW using Comsey?

There isn't a U1 FW with BLv3 yet, right?

There is not.

And I haven't personally tested it, but Comsey is required to flash U1, so we know it will brick the phone once it does reach Blv3.
 

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I know this is still early, but the more questions and answers I see, the more confused I am.

Do we know if all of these scenarios will have the same result?

a) I have a AT&T (950U) branded device. I flashed it to become unlocked software (950U1). The device currently updates OTA with unlocked updates. A BLv3 OTA will brick the device. True/false/not yet known?

b) I have a AT&T (950U) branded device. I flashed it to become unlocked software (950U1). The device currently updates OTA with unlocked updates. Assuming a) is FALSE. Device will operate as normal U1 phone, but I will never be able to put 950U carrier branded software on it (via modded Prince Comsy), because that will brick it. True/false/not yet known?

c) I have a AT&T (950U) branded device. I flashed it to become TMobile (950U) device. It now get updates via Tmobile. Future OTAs will continue as normal and I can even use Odin to flash other carrier software (950U), but I can NEVER use modded Odin to flash unlocked software (950U1)? True/false/not yet known.

Based on what I've read right so far. It seems that the answers all remain theoretical, thus not yet known, but based on the Note8 update, the answers would be a) False. b) True. c) True.

Am I far off base???

The thing right now that I understand the least is the scenario a). I don't understand why if I have a phone that was 950U but is now 950U1, why it would get bricked. I do understand that attempts to change it once BLv3 hit are currently DOA, but that's different than simply keeping your phone in the stream that it is currently.
 

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There are some good questions in this thread, I realize that its an evolving situation... So I have to ask directly... I have a Verizon branded 950U that I followed https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/how-to/snap-guide-flashing-standard-fw-carrier-t3625817 to switch to XAA and flash the U1 firmware, and I have taken part in the Oreo beta.

Currently my phone has Baseband Version G950U1UEU2ZRA8. There is an OTA update pending right now that is G950U1EUE2ZRAE/G950U1OYM2ZRAE/G950U1UEU2ZRAE. From what I understand, and what I am reading about this BLV2 vs BLV3 issue, based on the numbers in this, if I take this update, I'll still be BlV2, and be ok? If I should want to return to stock Verizon firmware, I can still do it safely?

What I am unsure of is.. If the phone gets updated to BLV3 while I have the XAA/U1 setup on my Verizon branded 950U phone, will I still be able to flash back to stock Verizon, then just not change to anything else? or once I get on BLV3 I am stuck with whatever firmware I have on the phone? Or is that part still unknown for sure?
 

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What I am unsure of is.. If the phone gets updated to BLV3 while I have the XAA/U1 setup on my Verizon branded 950U phone, will I still be able to flash back to stock Verizon, then just not change to anything else? or once I get on BLV3 I am stuck with whatever firmware I have on the phone? Or is that part still unknown for sure?

I am basically the same as you except AT&T beginning rather than Verizon. I currently have the ZRAE Oreo beta software running on my phone. Based on everything said so far, there is no danger yet in downloading that OTA because it is still BLv2. The danger would be if the final Oreo version drops with BLv3 and you apply it. Then we're left with these different scenarios that are still being figured out.
 

raduque

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Absent any concrete info, I'm going to just avoid the Jan security patch on my Note8.

If I have to flash back the Verizon software to have a non-brick device, well I'll just sell this thing and buy a cheap unlocked phone with microsd, wireless charging and a nice screen.
 
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    Just FYI, it appears with the new Blv3 firmwares, the device will only accept official firmware. Meaning, no more flashing U1 firmware on the carrier models, or vice versa. No more flashing U or U1 firmware to the Canadian W models. Flashing between carrier firmwares is fine as long as it's on a carrier branded device (running TMB on a VZW device, etc). But running 950U firmware on a 950U1 will result in a brick, that is this far unrecoverable.

    If your currently are running U1 firmware on a U device, vice versa, or running W firmware on a U or U1 device, or vice versa, you need to flash back to the firmware version that shipped with your device BEFORE you accept any OTAs that take you up to Blv3. Currently the S series is still on BlV2, but may go to Blv3 like the Note series just did.

    This has been tested and confirmed.

    Credit goes to @me2151, @FatalONEM8 for discovering this and warning people. I didn't find the issue or test, it just passing on the info to hopefully save some bricks.

    Update from @mweinbach:

    "EDIT: After being tested by XDA Senior member me2151, it turns out cross region flashing does work. Prince Comsy Odin is working, but we can not test if the factory binary flashing will hard brick your phone. So flashing US unlocked onto a US carrier device should work."

    To expand a bit on what @mweinbach*just said, @me2151*did some more testing, and he was able to successfully carrier switch from a 950U to 950W using Comsey ODIN. So it looks like Comsey ODIN is not patched as we originally thought. Not sure exactly what caused the tester's phone to brick, but it HARD BRICKED and had to be RMA'd at his expense. So we jumped on the forums here to warn others until more testing could be done. @mweinbach*wrote the article and @xdanilvaand I began posting here.*

    We may have overreacted, but wanted to err on the side of caution to protect people from hard bricks.*

    The Blv3 factory binary has not been tested, so still unsure if/how we will be able to use it, or if it will cause issues.*

    For now, carry on as usual, but understand we still don't know the full implications of the Blv3 patches. One person has already HARD BRICKED, and @me2151*almost hard bricked testing all of this for us.
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    This thread is closed as not to cause any panik For the most part disregard and always remember not to just jump the gun and update until you know what is what....This has been mentioned many many times since the start of it all....
    Specially for locked bootloader devices Root methods may be patched or not but it is not worth the risk.....
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    I know this is still early, but the more questions and answers I see, the more confused I am.

    Do we know if all of these scenarios will have the same result?

    a) I have a AT&T (950U) branded device. I flashed it to become unlocked software (950U1). The device currently updates OTA with unlocked updates. A BLv3 OTA will brick the device. True/false/not yet known?

    b) I have a AT&T (950U) branded device. I flashed it to become unlocked software (950U1). The device currently updates OTA with unlocked updates. Assuming a) is FALSE. Device will operate as normal U1 phone, but I will never be able to put 950U carrier branded software on it (via modded Prince Comsy), because that will brick it. True/false/not yet known?

    c) I have a AT&T (950U) branded device. I flashed it to become TMobile (950U) device. It now get updates via Tmobile. Future OTAs will continue as normal and I can even use Odin to flash other carrier software (950U), but I can NEVER use modded Odin to flash unlocked software (950U1)? True/false/not yet known.

    Based on what I've read right so far. It seems that the answers all remain theoretical, thus not yet known, but based on the Note8 update, the answers would be a) False. b) True. c) True.

    Am I far off base???

    The thing right now that I understand the least is the scenario a). I don't understand why if I have a phone that was 950U but is now 950U1, why it would get bricked. I do understand that attempts to change it once BLv3 hit are currently DOA, but that's different than simply keeping your phone in the stream that it is currently.
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    What I am unsure of is.. If the phone gets updated to BLV3 while I have the XAA/U1 setup on my Verizon branded 950U phone, will I still be able to flash back to stock Verizon, then just not change to anything else? or once I get on BLV3 I am stuck with whatever firmware I have on the phone? Or is that part still unknown for sure?

    I am basically the same as you except AT&T beginning rather than Verizon. I currently have the ZRAE Oreo beta software running on my phone. Based on everything said so far, there is no danger yet in downloading that OTA because it is still BLv2. The danger would be if the final Oreo version drops with BLv3 and you apply it. Then we're left with these different scenarios that are still being figured out.