Update on LG Official Pie Development

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FcBayernMinga

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Expectations from Pie Update

They may have a different chipset but LG writes the software in the same manner, they are still snapdragon chips. They are not really that different. Say what you will though. LG has lost me at this point.

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I can fully understand your point here, and I am also dissapointed about LG's Update philosophy.

But: we have to think what is the true benefit of the next Update:

- we won't be able to fly or whatever with the next update
- our Phone has so many outstanding features that already work. Our camera won't turn into an P30 pro and the battery site also won't be 4000mAh.
- as it seems for now: LG is fighting to keep the Level of stability and quality, not even to think about raising it (at least in the first release)
- Security Updates is a Point, but honestly just gives us a warm feeling about software things that most people don't even care about
- I can't find real UI improvements compared to Oreo
- If one wannts to have Pie , we already can enjoy that throughout Custom ROMs - thx to @SGCMarkus and other Developers out there.
 
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shoman94

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I can fully understand your point here, and I am also dissapointed about LG's Update philosophy.

But: we have to think what is the true benefit of the next Update:

- we won't be able to fly or whatever with the next update
- our Phone has so many outstanding features that already work. Our camera won't turn into an P30 pro and the battery site also won't be 4000mAh.
- as it seems for now: LG is fighting to keep the Level of stability and quality, not even to think about raising it (at least in the first release)
- Security Updates is a Point, but honestly just gives us a warm feeling about software things that most people don't even care about
- I can't find real UI improvements compared to Oreo
- If one wannts to have Pie , we already can enjoy that throughout Custom ROMs - thx to @SGCMarkus and other Developers out there.

There are many underlying improvements that come with Pie along with security, UI improvements, bug fixes etc. It doesn't need to be downplayed. Custom ROMs void warranties and downgrade carrier perks like VoLTE. I've done the custom ROM game in fact I use to do custom ROMs. Now I'm older with a family old enough to be very busy with them outside of work. Thanks though, but I'll be buying a pixel from now on since LG and HTC are proving to be inadequate. Even Samsung is putting out carrier updates many months faster than those two.

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So 4 smartphones are getting pie in Q3
 

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TheDannemand

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So 4 smartphones are getting pie in Q3

The interesting takeaway from that screenshot is that LG plans to update V20 to Pie as well. Normally they only do two major updates on a phone.

Or am I missing something here?

Personally I am in no hurry whatsoever to update to Pie. I'm hoping maybe they'll fix the audio issues that V40 et al experienced on Pie before it gets to V30, but not counting on it. At least the latest UAPP has workarounds for some of it. But still no hardware MQA in UAPP.
 
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The interesting takeaway from that screenshot is that LG plans to update V20 to Pie as well. Normally they only do two major updates on a phone.

Or am I missing something here?

Personally I am in no hurry whatsoever to update to Pie. I'm hoping maybe they'll fix the audio issues that V40 et al experienced on Pie before it gets to V30, but not counting on it. At least the latest UAPP has workarounds for some of it. But still no hardware MQA in UAPP.

Well, the V20 was the first phone released with Nougat... :p
Would be their second upgrade.
 
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Oh I see. I thought Oreo was already it's second upgrade. Thank you for that!
At first V20 was not announced to get Pie, but LG was shamed into it. Although they launched V20 with Nougat in 2016 (soon after Nougat was released) it was very buggy. Then V20 finally got Oreo in August 2018 a few months after the 2017 V30 got Oreo. V20 was on Nougat for a LONG time, almost 2 years.

People criticized LG for not releasing 2017 V30 with Oreo (newest Android OS) since they had released 2016 V20 with Nougat (newest Android OS). But it was arguably mistake to release 2016 V20 with Nougat. It was basically beta firmware at the time.
 
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At first V20 was not announced to get Pie, but LG was shamed into it. Although they launched V20 with Nougat in 2016 (soon after Nougat was released) it was very buggy. Then V20 got Oreo in August 2018 a few months after the 2017 V30 got Oreo. V20 was on Nougat for a LONG time, almost 2 years.

People criticized LG for not releasing 2017 V30 with Oreo since the had released 2016 V20 with Nougat. But it was arguably mistake to release 2016 V20 with Nougat. It was basically beta firmware.

Thank you for that history lesson. That explains it!

So did they increment ARB on that Oreo update (expecting it to be the last, before being shamed)?
 

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The interesting takeaway from that screenshot is that LG plans to update V20 to Pie as well. Normally they only do two major updates on a phone.

Or am I missing something here?

Personally I am in no hurry whatsoever to update to Pie. I'm hoping maybe they'll fix the audio issues that V40 et al experienced on Pie before it gets to V30, but not counting on it. At least the latest UAPP has workarounds for some of it. But still no hardware MQA in UAPP.
What audio problem are they having?

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TheDannemand

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What audio problem are they having?

The same as described in this thread, music going through the Mixer instead of using the Direct path to the DAC -- except on Pie it is far more pervasive: Even HiRes music (which played correctly from most apps on Nougat and Oreo) will now often go through the Mixer, depending on what was playing just before. UAPP just released an update that works around it. I assume they're killing all resident audio services in between tracks (which I suspect might affect gapless, but haven't tried it yet).

Check this Head-Fi post by @csglinux and the following discussion. He has been working hard with the UAPP dev to come up with a solution so that LG QuadDAC owners can still play bit-perfect on Pie.

But hardware based MQA unfolding and rendering is gone, and may not come back. UAPP's software based IAP MQA decoder works, but is only 2x unfolding (instead of 4x), and of course has to consume more battery. MQA in Tidal app also works, but I assume using their 2x software decoder as well, rather than the 4x hardware MQA they use in Oreo.

Again, I haven't tested myself yet -- and am in no hurry to lose what I have on Oreo.
 
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Nice to find someone else aware of this issue. Luckily, we do get aptx hd if that is present. But no earbuds except bullets wireless with aptx hd yet and those are neck bands. For now, were stuck with earbuds that support aptx but specifically exclude aac. I gave up on automating codec selection in Dev settings.
 

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LG update center is such a joke. It was the reason why I still decided to upgrade from my bricked G4 to a V30. I thought they would provide consistent monthly updates. Instead, LG is dragging its feet. Single human beings build custom ROMs faster than this clown party of a billion dollar company. This is definitely my last V30. I will switch to a Pixel 4 after this. I need something that gets updates regularly and reliably and not be 1 whole version behind the rest and make me feel like I've been forgotten. By the time Pie is rolling out, Q will be shown off. What was the point of this? Why can't LG see that they are committing suicide by not being on top of BASIC software updates? They should have just skipped this version and work on Q for everyone.
 
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LG update center is such a joke. It was the reason why I still decided to upgrade from my bricked G4 to a V30. I thought they would provide consistent monthly updates. Instead, LG is dragging its feet. Single human beings build custom ROMs faster than this clown party of a billion dollar company. This is definitely my last V30. I will switch to a Pixel 4 after this. I need something that gets updates regularly and reliably and not be 1 whole version behind the rest and make me feel like I've been forgotten. By the time Pie is rolling out, Q will be shown off. What was the point of this? Why can't LG see that they are committing suicide by not being on top of BASIC software updates? They should have just skipped this version and work on Q for everyone.
This will be my last LG phone I buy. The promise of faster updates after opening their so-called update center. We'll that's BS. Lucky to get a security update every 4 or so months. And they wonder why their wireless arm is failing.
 

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  • 6
    Hey @br0adband
    Let's please return to the original topic of this thread: "Updates for LG Official Pie".
    If you guys want to carry on discussing pixel camera and debate that -> there's a seperate thread for that or simply go on private messages.
    6
    i thought of getting one of these... but idk if i can use the ota zip at all... ?
    aka force an ota update thats "not made" for my phone
    otas are sadly delta updates... so just extracting it wont work

    I have the tools needed to convert a delta update to a full update -- so if someone has a credit card that will work on that site, I will be willing to pay for it.

    My OP7 Pro hasn't arrived, so I am still kicking with my US998 for now ;)

    -- Brian
    6
    For those people that stick to and focus on the delays in the monthly security patches that Google pushes out, think of this for a moment:

    Is your device currently compromised? Do you even know? Would you even know how to discover it's compromised? Are you fully apprised of each and every possible exploit that exists for Android right now this moment? Do you subscribe to the security sites that publish information about such exploits? Is the only thing that matters to you these monthly security patches that Google pushes out to OEMs?

    is your device "infected" by something right now at this exact moment in time that happened or was able to infect your device because it's using a security patch from a few months ago that didn't cover the infection of exploit?

    No?

    Then what the hell are you crying about?

    All I ever see are people complaining about the lack of security patch updates and yet nobody is actively complaining "OMFGWTFBBQ, my device is infected... I've been exploited..." or words to that effect and yet our devices work just fine.

    You have to realize that when Google pushes out a security patch it's out of their hands at that point and it's up to device manufacturers to release it past that point, yes, this is a well known fact. But those device manufacturers have to test it on their devices pretty thoroughly before they can allow it to be pushed out as an OTA or downloadable update for any given devices 'cause if they just pass it on immediately to their end users that own their devices and it screws something up for a portion of their customers that just makes things WORSE for not only those customers, but others that are considering applying said patches/updates not to mention the device manufacturer as well.

    Seriously, stop whining, it's old - it's been old for a long long time now and yet it still happens. If you want "on time" security patches and updates, buy a Google device, or go buy a used Essential Phone or something ('cause Andy Rubin's team has very close ties with Google which is the primary reason that device gets it's own updates so quickly), or maybe something from BlackBerry (same principle).

    Geez, man, get over it. I've used LG devices for years, I've used Samsung devices for years, I used to use Motorola devices but to Hell with 'em for screwing over their customers so many times (I'm an original 1st day Atrix and Bionic owner screwed both times for Android major updates, and apparently they just announced last week they're not going to provide the major update for some of their current or recent flagships all over again). I've owned devices from most every major manufacturer and NONE of them have ever suffered any kind of exploit or infection or malware related to a delayed security patch update.

    And I don't know a single person that has either.

    I don't buy Google devices except for the original Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 6 but those were used and at crazy insane prices that I couldn't pass up but were sold quickly afterward for profit But if you absolutely MUST have the latest and greatest and you want those monthly security patches and updates the moment they're available, get a Google device and stop your incessant whining about it for LG, Samsung, etc.

    I mean really, grow up, will ya? :D
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    No, what we said was official Pie would at least start with 30a or 30-something.

    If they're already up to H930 30b without general public release, then something was found to be wrong with 30a and it was just late beta.



    Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+

    Exactly... basically V30a was a Release Candidate, it was in testing, they found a critical error, thats why V30b was released... thats now in testing again, and if stable (or whatever else the reason was they had to fix stuff) it will release to all european H930s in probably 2 - 4 weeks (depends how long they end up testing, but thats the general timespan between compile date and release date based on history).
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    Thank you, if you can share 29a file for H870 :good::good:

    If you are to sell the up file to the ignorant people and slander the innocent person like me, I won't share the link that you want.
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