• Introducing XDA Computing: Discussion zones for Hardware, Software, and more!    Check it out!

Verizon Note 7 removing features

Search This thread

tbclandot

Senior Member
Mar 8, 2016
211
28
I own a verizon S5 boot loader unlocked rooted running RR and I think I've just about had it with VZW tampering with Samsung phones.... Was thinking about the Note 7 on VZW as my next phone but now having second thoughts. The whole ram stuff doesn't bother me as that is basically junk ware powered by Clean Master. Hopefully we will see an unlocked Note 7 compatible with Verizon.
 

jaygleazey

Member
Aug 20, 2016
22
6
i agree with a lot of people that those features and settings panel still the old way is not a big deal but we pay a so much money for these devices and service from verizon they should not be able to change the software from how the manufacture intended it to be if we the users don't want to use those features then thats on us to decide not verizon
 

brentsalinas714

Senior Member
Dec 12, 2010
356
41
HTC glacier
Yeah that's crap but it does let you put apps to sleep now but don't know if it's automatic .
ae6ced2cf1a099d2a6e2db17a06889f3.jpg


Sent from my SM-N930V using XDA-Developers mobile app
 
Last edited:

Blackiisky

Senior Member
Dec 24, 2013
102
32
33
Newark, Delaware
Also they took out the ability to set the touch key light duration... turn it on all of the time or off.. but from what i hear thats on most carrier versions besides ATT. theres an app that gives the feature back Galaxy button light
 

neyenlives

Senior Member
Oct 11, 2010
3,416
868
Why would you want a ram management app? Sounds ridiculous. It's a useless activity. The OS will free up ram as it needs it. Ram sitting unused and "free" is ram that isn't helping you do anything. The whole "free up ram" obsession comes from idiots who downloaded some "ram booster" application on their Windows XP computer and had an OCD thing with watching the free number be as large as possible...... if you want your ram to be free pull it out of the computer and it will stay free forever. Ram is there to be used. If you have free ram your system is broken.

Sent from my SM-N930V using Tapatalk
 
  • Like
Reactions: jupanu

pool_shark

Senior Member
Dec 12, 2008
595
192
Macedonia, Ohio
I don't know why people hurl insults because someone wants to control more of their system.
Free memory is not wasted memory, it is available memory that can be used when needed. On certain operating systems like Unix, when your memory is 100% used, the OS starts paging, usually to disk, which is slower than RAM. When a program or process uses memory or paging space and doesn't give it back when it's done with it, that program or process is considered to be poorly written.

So, let's say Android does handle it differently, that doesn't make a person with experience in a different OS less intelligent for thinking it's odd.
 

JinxtPhoto

Senior Member
Sep 9, 2010
113
34
The actual apps may have trivial use to most consumers, the thing I have issue with is just how much Verizon gets away with when it comes to dictating the user experience vs how the manufacturer has designed a product. It's something we have to come to terms with, but it doesn't make the taste any less bitter regardless of practical usage.
 

neyenlives

Senior Member
Oct 11, 2010
3,416
868
I don't know why people hurl insults because someone wants to control more of their system.
Free memory is not wasted memory, it is available memory that can be used when needed. On certain operating systems like Unix, when your memory is 100% used, the OS starts paging, usually to disk, which is slower than RAM. When a program or process uses memory or paging space and doesn't give it back when it's done with it, that program or process is considered to be poorly written.

So, let's say Android does handle it differently, that doesn't make a person with experience in a different OS less intelligent for thinking it's odd.
Yes it does. The person who thinks they are smarter than the people who programmed the OS to begin with are not thinking logically. Back years ago Windows and even Android were bad at it. Today, Windows and Android have come a long way and are now programmed to actually use your ram to speed up processes by having recently and commonly use apps in ram already to go. Windows has been doing this since 7 at least. The more ram you install the more windows uses just sitting there idle. It's faster this way....... Think about it. If you call up an app and the system has to pull it from rom, load into ram, and then run it(free ram theory) , that takes longer. If it already has it in ram all it has to do is run it.(using ram effectively theory) This is faster. No average joe user is smart enough or fast enough to manage this for the system. It's like I said, an OCD thing, a control issue. It's unnecessary and a waste of your time to obsess over how much "free memory" you have.

Sent from my SM-N930V using Tapatalk
 

pool_shark

Senior Member
Dec 12, 2008
595
192
Macedonia, Ohio
Yes it does. The person who thinks they are smarter than the people who programmed the OS to begin with are not thinking logically. Back years ago Windows and even Android were bad at it. Today, Windows and Android have come a long way and are now programmed to actually use your ram to speed up processes by having recently and commonly use apps in ram already to go. Windows has been doing this since 7 at least. The more ram you install the more windows uses just sitting there idle. It's faster this way....... Think about it. If you call up an app and the system has to pull it from rom, load into ram, and then run it(free ram theory) , that takes longer. If it already has it in ram all it has to do is run it.(using ram effectively theory) This is faster. No average joe user is smart enough or fast enough to manage this for the system. It's like I said, an OCD thing, a control issue. It's unnecessary and a waste of your time to obsess over how much "free memory" you have.

Sent from my SM-N930V using Tapatalk

Just because someone writes a particular code doesn't mean there isn't someone who can do it better, so that isn't illogical thinking either.
If the method Android uses to manage memory was the best, then every other OS would manage it the same way in order to make their OS more efficent. Computers in corporate data centers do not manage memory in this way.
Your comment about pulling it into memory is slower than retrieving it from memory makes sense, except when that memory is full with apps and you want to open a different app that is not already cached, now you have to remove one app from memory and pull the other one into it, that is no different than just starting it from the beginning. With the high powered CPU, RAM, disks, and fast cache hat exist today, it isn't slow at all to launch another progam, at least not on some operating systems.
It's ok that you want to defend it, just like it's ok for someone to defend their stance. I personally wouldn't mind having the ability to control how the OS on my phone works, however, if the OS and hardware are not fast enough to handle it they way I would like, then I would most likely leave it at the default.
 

hairdewx

Senior Member
Feb 28, 2009
675
276
Just because someone writes a particular code doesn't mean there isn't someone who can do it better, so that isn't illogical thinking either.
If the method Android uses to manage memory was the best, then every other OS would manage it the same way in order to make their OS more efficent. Computers in corporate data centers do not manage memory in this way.
Your comment about pulling it into memory is slower than retrieving it from memory makes sense, except when that memory is full with apps and you want to open a different app that is not already cached, now you have to remove one app from memory and pull the other one into it, that is no different than just starting it from the beginning. With the high powered CPU, RAM, disks, and fast cache hat exist today, it isn't slow at all to launch another progam, at least not on some operating systems.
It's ok that you want to defend it, just like it's ok for someone to defend their stance.

Comparing different OS's on different hardware platforms is like comparing apples to oranges.

What you guys are arguing literally takes ms which is negligible in the real world. If anything, clearing RAM will result in "slightly" more battery use as the OS will simply load much of it back in anyways. At 4GB of RAM if you are experiencing slowdown then it might be something else like data connection slowdown/drops or runaway background processing.

I personally wouldn't mind having the ability to control how the OS on my phone works, however, if the OS and hardware are not fast enough to handle it they way I would like, then I would most likely leave it at the default.

Let's also be clear here that "cleaning" RAM in no way controls how the OS on your phone works.
 

raduque

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2007
1,666
243
Wow. OK. pool_shark, the only reason these people want the "ram cleaner" is because they just want to see the bigger number under "free ram" instead of "used ram".
 

the Doctor

Retired Senior Moderator
Dec 15, 2011
4,590
4,520
In the TARDIS
Just because someone writes a particular code doesn't mean there isn't someone who can do it better, so that isn't illogical thinking either.
If the method Android uses to manage memory was the best, then every other OS would manage it the same way in order to make their OS more efficent.

Granting your claim for the sake of argument, I don't see how forcing Android to operate differently than it was designed to will produce superior results.
 

Top Liked Posts

  • There are no posts matching your filters.
  • 6
    Just posted about this can't find it either

    Sent from my SM-N930V using Tapatalk
    How to get Samsung Cloud! I'm just resharing link.... :)

    http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...k-i-found-samsung-cloud-verizon-note-7-a.html

    Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
    2
    So I just got my replacement phone yesterday at Verizon. While syncing all my data back onto my phone I came across this nice little app that I never noticed in the Samsung Store called "Hiya" ! This appears to be Samsung's answer to Verizon taking Samsung's baked in Caller ID program and making it into a paid app. I've installed this free "Hiya" app and it DOES in fact show caller ID for ANYONE, whether they are in my contacts or not, when receiving a call! You can also block callers with this app, among other functions. Check it out and download it!!! Enjoy FREE Caller ID as it was meant to be!
    1
    jatle,

    I agree wholeheartedly, but at least this is the same program, just not baked in. Still works and is still Free unlike Verizon's version.
    1
    https://twitter.com/droid_life

    No official article, just tweets. But looks like the screen is different too.

    "Bottom line, Verizon wants you to have their version of the Note 7, not Samsung's. Spoiler: Their's isn't better than Samsung's." - Droid Life

    Thanks for the link. Personally, I'm not going to worry about it. Does it suck yea. Am I going to return my phone or or leave Verizon? *sign* No....
    1
    getting on live chat with verizon to see what they have to say about this total bull****