Verizon Pushing the kill update on Jan 5th

[Fourstarzzzz]

Just got an email about this. I bet the next step is to completely block the IMEI...which in that case, people will have to spoof. Unreal these people.

If this is a VOLUNTARY RECALL why are they doing this? It is not mandatory. Funny how Samsung has not emailed/called me etc about my EXPLODING washer!

https://www.verizonwireless.com/sup...f8427e&CUHID=8d5e9b0cfd5794e001cf1f9fde4c3eae

 

[Belimawr]

all recalls are voluntary because it would cost too much to physically take the device off people who are going to great length to keep the device, but the firms and networks still have a duty of care, this is the last stage in them washing their hands of the problem, anyone who keeps a phone after the IMEI block by changing their IMEI (Illegal in pretty much every country) they then have no come back back if the device does fail on them.

basically all you end up with is a phone that has been illegally altered and you being entirely to blame if the worst does happen. you can complain it's not a mandatory recall but both Samsung and the networks need to protect them self from the people who will fight to keep a potentially defective device then when things go wrong try to blame everyone else.

 

[Fourstarzzzz]

If it is voluntary they should not be pushing these crippling updates.

 

[devoidx]

hands of the problem, anyone who keeps a phone after the IMEI block by changing their IMEI (Illegal in pretty much every country) they then have no come back back if the device does fail on them.

Changing IMEI is not illegal in the US..There was a bill to make it illegal which never passed.

 

[Spike96]

Changing IMEI is not illegal in the US..There was a bill to make it illegal which never passed.

So then why is changing IMEI talk banned from XDA?

I wouldn't be too sure that Verizon would block the IMEIs. After they push this update on January 5th, only an extremely small minority of Verizon users will still have the Note 7 working. That's those of us on XDA who were smart enough to disable OTAs.
Verizon may just chalk that up to devices lost forever. With 2.5 million purchases, it is nearly impossible to collect them all.

I'd be very surprised if Verizon decides to block IMEIs. But if they do, I'd like to be prepared.

 

[Fourstarzzzz]

What gets me the most is Verizon and Samsung both try to make us think they actually care about our safety. They are more concerned about getting the phones to use the parts for the note 8.

 

[devoidx]

So then why is changing IMEI talk banned from XDA?

Because it's banned on some other countries

 

[BozQ]

Wait. The recall is mandatory, is it not?

 

[Belimawr]

Wait. The recall is mandatory, is it not?

no recall is ever mandatory as it would cost too much and impose to much on the legal system to take all the devices back from people who are desperate to hang onto them, but they can take steps depending on the device to make people more likely to comply.

 

[xcapeartist]

So what is the best way to block the update in the 5th? I'm rooted and have EZ Disabler pro installed with a bunch of stuff crossed off. But I still get the annoying pop up everyday that I keep postponing for another 24hrs.

 

[Chippy_boy]

What gets me the most is Verizon and Samsung both try to make us think they actually care about our safety. They are more concerned about getting the phones to use the parts for the note 8.

I doubt it's got anything to do with that. They just don't want the terrible publicity if one was to burn someone's house down, or kill someone or some other terrible thing. They are simply interested in covering their own arses, that's all. It's got feck all to do with caring about anyone's safety though.

 

[whoofit]

no recall is ever mandatory as it would cost too much and impose to much on the legal system to take all the devices back from people who are desperate to hang onto them, but they can take steps depending on the device to make people more likely to comply.

Mandatory vs Voluntary. One is forced by the government and one is not. This refers to the government forcing a company to recall or not. It has nothing to do with the end user or consumer.

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no recall is ever mandatory as it would cost too much and impose to much on the legal system to take all the devices back from people who are desperate to hang onto them, but they can take steps depending on the device to make people more likely to comply.

Mandatory vs Voluntary. One is forced by the government and one is not. This refers to the government forcing a company to recall or not. It has nothing to do with the end user or consumer.

In context, The CPSC was surprised that Samsung chose the voluntary option as there are additional protections for companies that wait for the mandatory option.

 

[Tangopro]

Got an ominous SMS warning from at&t about tomorrow's 01/05/2017 Death Star Nerf Beam for the Note 7!

So brace yourselves SM-N930A holdouts. Oh, and make sure to have those Jimmy hats (Firewall, PDP, etc.) on extra tight. Its gonna be a bumpy ride...

 

[sebeck]

Got an ominous SMS warning from at&t about tomorrow's 01/05/2017 Death Star Nerf Beam for the Note 7!

So brace yourselves SM-N930A holdouts. Oh, and make sure to have those Jimmy hats (Firewall, PDP, etc.) on extra tight. Its gonna be a bumpy ride...

Yep I got the same message today. I hope my package disabler works!

 

[OkayGK]

I think you all be alright in US. Firewall, PDP should handle it. I wish I was in your shoes, lol. IMEI block is not fun.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Mandatory vs Voluntary. One is forced by the government and one is not. This refers to the government forcing a company to recall or not. It has nothing to do with the end user or consumer.

In context, The CPSC was surprised that Samsung chose the voluntary option as there are additional protections for companies that wait for the mandatory option.

I don't agree with this.

In the most simple terms, mandatory is something you must do and voluntary is something you can choose to do. So the question is, what would make any act, something that you must do?

Well yes, the government could step in and with the appropriate legal framework, make something mandatory. (The necessary laws would need to be in place however. Governments in sensible democracies cannot simply decide to tell people what to do, outside the law.)

But government enforcement is not a necessary precondition for something to be mandatory. If you buy a car on a load agreement and you fail to make the loan payments, the loan company can ask for the car back and will be mandatory that you return it under the terms of the contract. You cannot say, "no I decide not to pay you and I will keep the car". Handing back the car is mandatory.

Similarly, Samsung could have - had it wished to - put terms into its licensing agreements that gave it the rights to mandatory recall in certain circumstances. I am presuming (although I have not read the agreements) that no such provision exists. If so, that was Samsung's choice. If such provision is in the licensing and Samsung are not using that provision to enforce the recall, that is also Samsung's choice.

Either way, it is/was Samsung's choice whether this should be a mandatory recall or not and either directly or through their actions, they have chosen "voluntary".

Since this is the case, it is entirely reasonable for any N7 owner also to choose to keep their phone.

 

[whoofit]

I don't agree with this.

In the most simple terms, mandatory is something you must do and voluntary is something you can choose to do. So the question is, what would make any act, something that you must do?

Well yes, the government could step in and with the appropriate legal framework, make something mandatory. (The necessary laws would need to be in place however. Governments in sensible democracies cannot simply decide to tell people what to do, outside the law.)

But government enforcement is not a necessary precondition for something to be mandatory. If you buy a car on a load agreement and you fail to make the loan payments, the loan company can ask for the car back and will be mandatory that you return it under the terms of the contract. You cannot say, "no I decide not to pay you and I will keep the car". Handing back the car is mandatory.

Similarly, Samsung could have - had it wished to - put terms into its licensing agreements that gave it the rights to mandatory recall in certain circumstances. I am presuming (although I have not read the agreements) that no such provision exists. If so, that was Samsung's choice. If such provision is in the licensing and Samsung are not using that provision to enforce the recall, that is also Samsung's choice.

Either way, it is/was Samsung's choice whether this should be a mandatory recall or not and either directly or through their actions, they have chosen "voluntary".

Since this is the case, it is entirely reasonable for any N7 owner also to choose to keep their phone.

Chippy,

The label Mandatory vs Voluntary has ZERO to do with the action taken by or remedy given to the end user. It applies to the government either requiring, or not, the company to recall a product.

Easy Peazy.

Sammy took the voluntary route before the government REQUIRED them to do so. A preemptive and voluntary recall before they were forced to do it by government mandate.

Truth out.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Chippy,

The label Mandatory vs Voluntary has ZERO to do with the action taken by or remedy given to the end user. It applies to the government either requiring, or not, the company to recall a product.

Easy Peazy.

Sammy took the voluntary route before the government REQUIRED them to do so. A preemptive and voluntary recall before they were forced to do it by government mandate.

I am sorry, you are simply mistaken.

A government - backed with the appropriate law - could make something mandatory if they wished. But it does not need to be a government that makes something mandatory.

May I suggest you look up the word "mandatory" in the dictionary. It also means "compulsory". Things can be compulsory even if the government is not involved. As I said (but you seemed to ignore), a contract can require the mandatory return of goods in the event of non-payment, for example.

 

[whoofit]

I am sorry, you are simply mistaken.

A government - backed with the appropriate law - could make something mandatory if they wished. But it does not need to be a government that makes something mandatory.

May I suggest you look up the word "mandatory" in the dictionary. It also means "compulsory". Things can be compulsory even if the government is not involved. As I said (but you seemed to ignore), a contract can require the mandatory return of goods in the event of non-payment, for example.

Chippy,

I am well aware of the definition of mandatory. You have just confused the context of how the label is applied. Easy to do.

Whether a recall is mandatory or voluntary means little. It is still a recall and the process is the same. End users are notified and are allowed the same remedies no matter the label. The government did not have to do a study in the matter because Sammy pulled the plug voluntarily. See the difference?

Now, every nation in the world did not have to do a study and condemn or accept the product because Sammy did this themselves.

When the government body FORCES the company to recall it is a Mandatory one. When the government body needed not to do so it is Voluntary.

Not every company agrees that their product is dangerous in some way. Those are the products that go for review before the government body to be inspected. IF found to be dangerous they are slapped with a MANDATORY RECALL..... where the company has no say in the matter.

IF the company pulls the plug and recalls themselves the government study is moot. Not required, Never happens. Finito.

I have explained this to the best of my ability. I hope you get the point.

 

[Spike96]

Stop complaining about the difference between a mandatory and voluntary recall.
It's meaningless.

Fact is, Samsung is taking extreme measures to get back its phones. They will be defended in their actions because most people believe the Note 7 is a danger.

Just focus on how to stay a step ahead of Samsung.