Verizon Pushing the kill update on Jan 5th

[Chippy_boy]

Chippy,

I am well aware of the definition of mandatory. You have just confused the context of how the label is applied. Easy to do.

Whether a recall is mandatory or voluntary means little. It is still a recall and the process is the same. End users are notified and are allowed the same remedies no matter the label. The government did not have to do a study in the matter because Sammy pulled the plug voluntarily. See the difference?

Now, every nation in the world did not have to do a study and condemn or accept the product because Sammy did this themselves.

When the government body FORCES the company to recall it is a Mandatory one. When the government body needed not to do so it is Voluntary.

Not every company agrees that their product is dangerous in some way. Those are the products that go for review before the government body to be inspected. IF found to be dangerous they are slapped with a MANDATORY RECALL..... where the company has no say in the matter.

IF the company pulls the plug and recalls themselves the government study is moot. Not required, Never happens. Finito.

I have explained this to the best of my ability. I hope you get the point.

I don't disagree with much of that, other than you clearly do not understand that a recall can be mandatory even if not mandated by the government. Perhaps if you let that sink in for a moment, you wouldn't need to keep repeating yourself.

I've said this before but what the heck I am going to repeat it: CLEARLY Samsung want my Note7 back. Well how about making me an offer to make it worth my while. "YOU MUST GIVE IT BACK" is NOT an offer I find acceptable.

Maybe if Samsung - since it is THEY who are so keen to get it back - were to make it worth my while, I might consider returning it. Just a thought.

Just cranking up the volume on "YOU MUST GIVE IT BACK" makes me want to do the exact opposite. How about "Please could we have it back, and sorry for the inconvenience and here's an S6 Edge on loan until the S8 comes out and some discount or other when it does comes out".

Why on earth would I choose to return a Note7 and get a 1 year old S7 Edge in return? THAT I WOULD BE STUCK WITH FOR 2 YEARS on my contract????

Samsung have behaved appallingly over this whole fiasco.

 

[kat3k]

I don't disagree with much of that, other than you clearly do not understand that a recall can be mandatory even if not mandated by the government. Perhaps if you let that sink in for a moment, you wouldn't need to keep repeating yourself.

I've said this before but what the heck I am going to repeat it: CLEARLY Samsung want my Note7 back. Well how about making me an offer to make it worth my while. "YOU MUST GIVE IT BACK" is NOT an offer I find acceptable.

Maybe if Samsung - since it is THEY who are so keen to get it back - were to make it worth my while, I might consider returning it. Just a thought.

Just cranking up the volume on "YOU MUST GIVE IT BACK" makes me want to do the exact opposite. How about "Please could we have it back, and sorry for the inconvenience and here's an S6 Edge on loan until the S8 comes out and some discount or other when it does comes out".

Why on earth would I choose to return a Note7 and get a 1 year old S7 Edge in return? THAT I WOULD BE STUCK WITH FOR 2 YEARS on my contract????

Samsung have behaved appallingly over this whole fiasco.

My feelings exactly.

 

[triscuit22]

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. A voluntary recall means that the manufacturer either said on their own they are going to try to get the product back, or the CPSC asked and they complied to get the product back. A mandatory recall means that the manufacturer rejected the CPSC's request and is now being forced to get the product back through court order initiated by the CPSC.

This has nothing to do with the relationship between the consumer, the device, and the manufacturer.

*in U.S.A.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. A voluntary recall means that the manufacturer either said on their own they are going to try to get the product back, or the CPSC asked and they complied to get the product back. A mandatory recall means that the manufacturer rejected the CPSC's request and is now being forced to get the product back through court order initiated by the CPSC.

This has nothing to do with the relationship between the consumer, the device, and the manufacturer.

*in U.S.A.

I suspect the reason you are confused is that you are failing to recognise or understand that there are circumstances OTHER THAN where the CPSC is mandating a recall, where in fact the recall is still mandatory.

 

[triscuit22]

I'm not confusing anything. These recalls are written by lawyers where every word used is used for a reason. Under no circomstances can Samsung force you to return the device. In this instance voluntary means between Samsung and cpsc. From the recall notice on their website

https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2017/s...-Additional-Incidents-with-Replacement-Phones

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'm not confusing anything. These recalls are written by lawyers where every word used is used for a reason. Under no circomstances can Samsung force you to return the device. In this instance voluntary means between Samsung and cpsc. From the recall notice on their website

https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2017/s...-Additional-Incidents-with-Replacement-Phones

Clearly you are not listening to me, so there's no point in my repeating what I've said. What you are saying is not wrong per se, it's merely an incomplete understanding.

And by the way, I have no idea why you've linked that stuff, which is completely irrelevant as far as our discussion is concerned.

 

[whoofit]

Here it is Jan 6th. They killed my Note7.....not. I feel like I was diagnosed terminal and beat the odds.. LOL.

Still happily enjoying my Free Note7 in spite of no security updates, third party support and IMEI nuclear option....

My Mom used to punish me like this. "You are not going anywhere tonight mister!" while handing me the keys to the car.

 

[triscuit22]

It's not irrelevant, it supports my argument that the term voluntary recall is not between the consumer and samsung but between Samsung and the cpsc.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It's not irrelevant, it supports my argument that the term voluntary recall is not between the consumer and samsung but between Samsung and the cpsc.

Does it? Anyway, that was not my point. I'm done.

 

[tonymy01]

It won't be so voluntary if you drop it and break something, given there is no spares kept for a recalled & manufacturer discontinued phone..

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[Bellmont]

Enjoying my free Note 7 and plan to keep this as my permanent backup phone when I decide to upgrade. Samsung even sent me a secured box to keep it in!

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