Question Vivo x90 pro+ vs S23U

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@Killuminati91, if you get the S23 Ultra now, during the launch promotion for ~1300E (512GB), then I think you should get the Samsung.
It will have better value at resell, more updates, you can easily find accesories for it in your country, you won't have to get them from AliExpress and wait 1 month for them to arrive.
 
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The s23U 512GB was presale 1169€ including Buds2 in Germany/Austria (with 10% voucher that anyone asking for it got). Corporate Benefits (accessible with a limited company registering you) has it at 1189€.

Some carriers have it on deals that end up around 950€ value vs you getting a contract with less data on the same network in Germany (basically it start at 1350€ overall for 512GB version with 50GB data/month - similar data is gonna be at least 15€ / month. Sim only) .
And yeah the carrier deals show why 1150€ is actually still expensive for S23U. For 1400€ you could get a 2 year contract for free on top...


The Vivo is overpriced like crazy considering its likely overall use time of 3 years without proper support/warranty/slow android updates/short update period.


The vivo x90Pro+ can only compete in China itself with the S23+ due to very different pricing. if you say 800/1200 € or USD is the price for x90 pro+ vs S23U - then it's getting into fair pricing as comparison. In 3 years time likely the resell value of the S23U will still be 300€ over x90 Pro+ (one basically worth nothing then, the other 400). At that point it really becomes preference of UI and camera..


Oh yeah another advantage of S23 - it has battery bypass. The Vivo on the other hand so far doesn't even seem to manage intelligent charging yet (activating it in the menu does nothing for me - nor has anyone said it does work). S23 has various working charge modes (like stopping at 85% and so on. The Vivo instead of bypassing battery at 100% sends out a notification asking to be taken off power... It's countless small details missing or not yet working.
 
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Ok. i am going to tell my personal experience with x90PP and a short hands on with s23 ultra, which is an incredible phone exactly like the s22u was

1- Camera:
- there is no way s23 camera can produce better pics than x90, its that simple
- even in zoom range ,if its not daylight vivo is better,
- i prefer vivos videos cuz its sharper, but its not conclusive like the photos part
- USE effects and be creative, this phone can produce DSLR quality photos

Battery
- my vivo's battery outlasts my daily driver iphone 14 pro max so for sure its better than s23
- no need to discuss the charging speed, i mean ... come on!


Biometrics:
- comparing both fingerprint and face unlock between these two is a joke, performance is MILES better with vivo


Software experience
i prefer oneui in general and all the useful options it gives but originOS has its own hidden gems, for example Easyshare application on PC and you can mirror wirelessly your phone to your PC Screen. customizing everything, the awesome widgets ,,,,, etc

gaming:
didnt get the chance to play with samsung but daily minimum 2 hours playing marvel future fight, some casual asphalt races and candy crush i can confirm this phone is built for gaming - no heat no lag no dropped frames and most importantly the days with heavy gaming seasions battery lasts minimum 7 to 8 hours SOT

now for unlocking bootloader- personally i dont care
but seriously who wants to unlock their bootloader these days? but if thats what you want. dont buy the vivo

there is no eSim but again "i dont care"

modem and reception and calls quality top notch


now the most important thing: the WOW Factor.
its a head turner, everyone will ask what the hell is this and it gives the this feeling that you have the best device at most of what it does + you are actually the only one have it
 

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Ok. i am going to tell my personal experience with x90PP and a short hands on with s23 ultra, which is an incredible phone exactly like the s22u was

1- Camera:
- there is no way s23 camera can produce better pics than x90, its that simple
- even in zoom range ,if its not daylight vivo is better,
- i prefer vivos videos cuz its sharper, but its not conclusive like the photos part
- USE effects and be creative, this phone can produce DSLR quality photos

Battery
- my vivo's battery outlasts my daily driver iphone 14 pro max so for sure its better than s23
- no need to discuss the charging speed, i mean ... come on!


Biometrics:
- comparing both fingerprint and face unlock between these two is a joke, performance is MILES better with vivo


Software experience
i prefer oneui in general and all the useful options it gives but originOS has its own hidden gems, for example Easyshare application on PC and you can mirror wirelessly your phone to your PC Screen. customizing everything, the awesome widgets ,,,,, etc

gaming:
didnt get the chance to play with samsung but daily minimum 2 hours playing marvel future fight, some casual asphalt races and candy crush i can confirm this phone is built for gaming - no heat no lag no dropped frames and most importantly the days with heavy gaming seasions battery lasts minimum 7 to 8 hours SOT

now for unlocking bootloader- personally i dont care
but seriously who wants to unlock their bootloader these days? but if thats what you want. dont buy the vivo

there is no eSim but again "i dont care"

modem and reception and calls quality top notch


now the most important thing: the WOW Factor.
its a head turner, everyone will ask what the hell is this and it gives the this feeling that you have the best device at most of what it does + you are actually the only one have it
Honestly that's what I have expected so I'm not surprised at all.👍🏻
 

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Plenty of youtube vids now with the S23U beating the competition - but strangely, no vs x90 pro plus even from reviewers raving about this phone. They suddenly consider the iPhone 14 the one to beat (which of course it does - great Samsung promo).
Knowing the Vivo will crush the S23U particularly in low light, I'm wondering if Samsung paid them off to wait with these reviews while people are preordering like crazy to get the "camera king" :)
 

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Plenty of youtube vids now with the S23U beating the competition - but strangely, no vs x90 pro plus even from reviewers raving about this phone. They suddenly consider the iPhone 14 the one to beat (which of course it does - great Samsung promo).
Knowing the Vivo will crush the S23U particularly in low light, I'm wondering if Samsung paid them off to wait with these reviews while people are preordering like crazy to get the "camera king" :)
Ive seen a review vs pixel 7 pro on a guy i trust . The pixel won . Samsung improved , its true . But its weird that 99% of the reviews are against iphone .
Vivo will easily beat the galaxy . Ben's gadget reviews will do it soon .
 

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Ive seen a review vs pixel 7 pro on a guy i trust . The pixel won . Samsung improved , its true . But its weird that 99% of the reviews are against iphone .
Vivo will easily beat the galaxy . Ben's gadget reviews will do it soon .
It's not weird, from a youtuber-ul / reviewer point of view it's the correct comparison.
A s23 ultra vs iPhone video will bring you a lot more views than a s23 ultra vs vivo video right now, it doesn't matter if the iPhone is not the phone to beat, if they don't do this video first they will loose views / money.
They will probably do the S23 Ultra vs other phones videos after the iPhone.
 

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Ive seen a review vs pixel 7 pro on a guy i trust . The pixel won . Samsung improved , its true . But its weird that 99% of the reviews are against iphone .
Vivo will easily beat the galaxy . Ben's gadget reviews will do it soon .
Exactly. The iPhone is suddenly the phone to beat, not a single reviewer stepping out of line and pit it against the phone they themselves crowned the camera king. Instead I see, iPhone, one plus, pixel etc.. got a feeling we will see the Samsung beat by Vivo only when pre-order period is over.
 

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I think y'all are just a little bit too heated up to defend your 1000€ + purchase, wether its vivo or samsung. The differences get smaller with each generation and both phones are gonna have great cameras ofc. Ive seen video footage of the S23 Ultra, which VISIBLY has some kind of new stabilization system. No minor sensor shifts anymore, which I havent seen on any other phone yet. As video is most important for me, it has 5 years OS updates and official local support the decision was an easy one. On the other hand the vivo takes incredible night pictures, has the 1" sensor, incredible lens coating and Zeiss Bokeh effects and I actually prefer OriginOS looks and functionality. But I cant justify spending 1000€ on a phone that doesnt have full Google Support and a questionable update policy.
 

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I think y'all are just a little bit too heated up to defend your 1000€ + purchase, wether its vivo or samsung. The differences get smaller with each generation and both phones are gonna have great cameras ofc. Ive seen video footage of the S23 Ultra, which VISIBLY has some kind of new stabilization system. No minor sensor shifts anymore, which I havent seen on any other phone yet. As video is most important for me, it has 5 years OS updates and official local support the decision was an easy one. On the other hand the vivo takes incredible night pictures, has the 1" sensor, incredible lens coating and Zeiss Bokeh effects and I actually prefer OriginOS looks and functionality. But I cant justify spending 1000€ on a phone that doesnt have full Google Support and a questionable update policy.
Depends on what you want or need. The vivo is the perfect phone i never had.
 
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A video comparing the S32U with the Vivo has finally emerged

The guy felt the need to add "NO INFLUENCER" in the video title, which seems to support my hunch that during the pre-order period, Samsung has some sort of review embargo on pitting it against the only phone that can dethrone it as the advertised camera king:)

Anyway, lots of image comparisons. First half is daylight, 2nd night.
Some thoughts:
1. While the Vivo generally seems a bit softer, I prefer the less oversharpened look - as a photographer, I like to add sharpening myself if needed. And oversharpened image can't be salvaged.
2. Samsung's big selling point is still the 10x zoom, but Vivo is achieving a near similar result with its larger mp count and clever processing. It achieves 90% of what the Samsung does (IMO)
One of many examples in the video:
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Yes, bricks have more texture on the S23U, but in most scenarios the difference will be negligible.

3. There are a few examples where the reviewer did not control the shallow depth of field properly on the Vivo resulting in blurry picture. User error, the Vivo seems to need a bit more attention due to its large sensor - when it nails it, I believe it can outdo the S23U in regards to natural bokeh.
4. Night shots - this is what I was waiting for. Would have loved to see some 100% zooms, but it's pretty obvious that the Vivo trumps the S23U in regards to noise in the non-night mode snaps (night mode is more evenly matched as it enabled to S23U to dial down the ISO and rely on a long shutterspeed - useless in most point & shoot scenarios).
5. HDR in night mode - in spite of the S23U improving on the highlight retention compared to the S22U, the Zeiss coating on the Vivo clearly is far ahead. No phone can touch it. Much more detail in shadow- and highlight areas overall.
6. Zoom lenses in low light - the 10X outshines the Vivo in low light, but the Vivo consistently produces less noise on both zoom lenses.
7. Colour science - unfortunately no people in this video so can't judge the all-important skin tone result.
What we can see though is the generally warmer tone of the Vivo. This could be down to the Zeiss setting, but overall I see no broken colour science on this phone as pointed out ad nauseum by extremecarver.

The advantages of the bigger sensor (65% bigger than on the S23U), is pretty clear.
It's absorbing more light and can get bright images without the need to increase the ISO. The S23U will need a higher ISO setting and/or a slower shutterspeed to achieve anywhere near the brightness of the Vivo. Both scenarios produces an inferior result.
This video looks very promising for people like myself leaning towards purchasing the Vivo for its photography capabilities.
 
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Look into the topic of s23u on dpreview forum, the Samsung is classes better on 50 and especially 200MP mode, so there's loads of potential in the sensor. Need to wait at least for 17.02 Day 1 update which by iceuniverse promises big updates to the camera before assessing much. the 200mp pixel Photos are pretty much best out of any stock camera so far, better than vivo 50mp. If Samsung would enable full resolution on camera 2 API many people claim it would be unbeatable. Yeah vivo full resolution on camera 2 would also change a lot seeing that 12.5mp gcam beats 50mp from stock most of the time...
Right now s23u camera clearly has problems.

I only see huge problems of colours in difficult situations of X90 (hard to fix in post) and colours that should be in between vivid and Zeiss otherwise (can be fixed easily in post but bad out of the box). For colours out of the box pixel rules, and apple second.
 
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Look into the topic of s23u on dpreview forum, the Samsung is classes better on 50 and especially 200MP mode, so there's loads of potential in the sensor. Need to wait at least for 17.02 Day 1 update which by iceuniverse promises big updates to the camera before assessing much. the 200mp pixel Photos are pretty much best out of any stock camera so far, better than vivo 50mp. If Samsung would enable full resolution on camera 2 API many people claim it would be unbeatable. Yeah vivo full resolution on camera 2 would also change a lot seeing that 12.5mp gcam beats 50mp from stock most of the time...
Right now s23u camera clearly has problems.

I only see huge problems of colours in difficult situations of X90 (hard to fix in post) and colours that should be in between vivid and Zeiss otherwise (can be fixed easily in post but bad out of the box). For colours out of the box pixel rules, and apple second.
Is the S23U update going to fix the last gen charging speed?
 

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A video comparing the S32U with the Vivo has finally emerged

The guy felt the need to add "NO INFLUENCER" in the video title, which seems to support my hunch that during the pre-order period, Samsung has some sort of review embargo on pitting it against the only phone that can dethrone it as the advertised camera king:)

Anyway, lots of image comparisons. First half is daylight, 2nd night.
Some thoughts:
1. While the Vivo generally seems a bit softer, I prefer the less oversharpened look - as a photographer, I like to add sharpening myself if needed. And oversharpened image can't be salvaged.
2. Samsung's big selling point is still the 10x zoom, but Vivo is achieving a near similar result with its larger mp count and clever processing. It achieves 90% of what the Samsung does (IMO)
One of many examples in the video:
View attachment 5831341

Yes, bricks have more texture on the S23U, but in most scenarios the difference will be negligible.

3. There are a few examples where the reviewer did not control the shallow depth of field properly on the Vivo resulting in blurry picture. User error, the Vivo seems to need a bit more attention due to its large sensor - when it nails it, I believe it can outdo the S23U in regards to natural bokeh.
4. Night shots - this is what I was waiting for. Would have loved to see some 100% zooms, but it's pretty obvious that the Vivo trumps the S23U in regards to noise in the non-night mode snaps (night mode is more evenly matched as it enabled to S23U to dial down the ISO and rely on a long shutterspeed - useless in most point & shoot scenarios).
5. HDR in night mode - in spite of the S23U improving on the highlight retention compared to the S22U, the Zeiss coating on the Vivo clearly is far ahead. No phone can touch it. Much more detail in shadow- and highlight areas overall.
6. Zoom lenses in low light - the 10X outshines the Vivo in low light, but the Vivo consistently produces less noise on both zoom lenses.
7. Colour science - unfortunately no people in this video so can't judge the all-important skin tone result.
What we can see though is the generally warmer tone of the Vivo. This could be down to the Zeiss setting, but overall I see no broken colour science on this phone as pointed out ad nauseum by extremecarver.

The advantages of the bigger sensor (65% bigger than on the S23U), is pretty clear.
It's absorbing more light and can get bright images without the need to increase the ISO. The S23U will need a higher ISO setting and/or a slower shutterspeed to achieve anywhere near the brightness of the Vivo. Both scenarios produces an inferior result.
This video looks very promising for people like myself leaning towards purchasing the Vivo for its photography capabilities.
The most important aspect to consider, IMHO, is that the Vivo achieves this with a 3.9x zoom lens, which means at zoom range between 3.9x and 10x the Vivo will produce better images.

Because in "real life", you're much more likely to take 4x or 5x or maybe 7x shots than 10x shots. At these focal lengths, the Samsung can only use its 10MP 3x lens with a tiny 1/3.52" sensor, but the Vivo can use a 1/2" 64MP sensor.
So most of the time for zooming, the Vivo is more useful. Unless you're a bird photographer I guess.

The 10x lens in the S23U is only useful for bragging rights and moon shots, but for a "real life" photographer the Vivo offers by far the more versatile camera, because it can produce good images at ANY zoom up to 10x.

I compared the Vivo to my Sony a6400 mirrorless APS-C with the kit lens at different focal lengths (the a6400 kit lens is 24-75mm full frame equivalent) and honestly, most of the time the Vivo produced more pleasant images with less noise, better dynamic range and the same amount of detail.

TL;DR: The Vivo can replace a mirrorless camera for everyday photography - the Samsung can't, because the lens selection focuses on "bragging rights" instead of versatility.
 
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The most important aspect to consider, IMHO, is that the Vivo achieves this with a 3.9x zoom lens, which means at zoom range between 3.9x and 10x the Vivo will produce better images.

Because in "real life", you're much more likely to take 4x or 5x or maybe 7x shots than 10x shots. At these focal lengths, the Samsung can only use its 10MP 3x lens with a tiny 1/3.52" sensor, but the Vivo can use a 1/2" 64MP sensor.
So most of the time for zooming, the Vivo is more useful. Unless you're a bird photographer I guess.

The 10x lens in the S23U is only useful for bragging rights and moon shots, but for a "real life" photographer the Vivo offers by far the more versatile camera, because it can produce good images at ANY zoom up to 10x.

I compared the Vivo to my Sony a6400 mirrorless APS-C with the kit lens at different focal lengths (the a6400 kit lens is 24-75mm full frame equivalent) and honestly, most of the time the Vivo produced more pleasant images with less noise, better dynamic range and the same amount of detail.

TL;DR: The Vivo can replace a mirrorless camera for everyday photography - the Samsung can't, because the lens selection focuses on "bragging rights" instead of versatility.
That's what people will never understand... The vivo is the best camera phone but if you can't handle it it will be crap in your hands.
 

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The most important aspect to consider, IMHO, is that the Vivo achieves this with a 3.9x zoom lens, which means at zoom range between 3.9x and 10x the Vivo will produce better images.

Because in "real life", you're much more likely to take 4x or 5x or maybe 7x shots than 10x shots. At these focal lengths, the Samsung can only use its 10MP 3x lens with a tiny 1/3.52" sensor, but the Vivo can use a 1/2" 64MP sensor.
So most of the time for zooming, the Vivo is more useful. Unless you're a bird photographer I guess.

The 10x lens in the S23U is only useful for bragging rights and moon shots, but for a "real life" photographer the Vivo offers by far the more versatile camera, because it can produce good images at ANY zoom up to 10x.

I compared the Vivo to my Sony a6400 mirrorless APS-C with the kit lens at different focal lengths (the a6400 kit lens is 24-75mm full frame equivalent) and honestly, most of the time the Vivo produced more pleasant images with less noise, better dynamic range and the same amount of detail.

TL;DR: The Vivo can replace a mirrorless camera for everyday photography - the Samsung can't, because the lens selection focuses on "bragging rights" instead of versatility.
Interesting point about the zoom.
Indeed, I rarely felt the need for a 10x (or more) zoom, but often could use somewhere in between the fixed focal length and the 10x. But of course I never use that on my P30 pro because digital zoom is terrible.
So just to be clear - the quality of the digital zoom that takes over when you exceed the 3.9x native zoom is all at least as good at the 10x because it's using the large 64mp sensor?
That's a bit of a game-changer nobody talks about!
 

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Shouldnt the pixel size be way larger on the S23 though? 10mp on 1/3.52" sounds larger to me than 64mp on 1/2", but Im too lazy to do the math here. The vivo one is probably binned as well, not sure if that is a pro.
 

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    x70 pro plus received the February 2023 patches a few days ago, I'm sure that on x90 PP they will arrive together with important software updates (including camera)
    I hope not. Vivo should be able to go straight for March security updates. I guess in 5-6 days there will be the first quarterly Update in the trial channel with March security update.

    The December patch came end of December I think. But really adding security patches should be an effort of some hours for a developer except if you need to dig some security holes up for spyware... Android is really modular by now. If Samsung can push that update within hours of google publishing it, can be expected by others to do it within a couple of days for current or last 2 years flagship devices. And no Vivo receives those things at the same time as Samsung, that is at least one month before it's included in the patches (except for actively exploited bugs that could be fixed as soon as possible) Only google software teams will very likely have access earlier.
    And the thing is, as soon as those security updates are rolling and published including description there is a much higher chance of the bug to be exploited.
    That's why manufacturers get access to them 1 month pre publication!
    And that applies to Vivo/BBK too. Not Huawei anymore as they lost their certification. That's why it's really a shame if any Huawei device is updated quicker than the currently newest/most expensive BBK flagship (candybar not foldable).


    And yeah I never had my phone hacked so far, but once my sever fully ransomware encrypted because I had setup windows updates to be installed 7 days delayed... (5 days past update Tuesday my remote desktop access got hacked). Any device that is connected to the internet simply needs to be updated quickly once updates are published. With android/linux it's harder than windows Server (yeah I also use Linux servers, but I need one windows server for some work stuff and make damn sure I can quickly restore it should it get hacked because I don't trust Windows much at all). There really should not be any phone out there not updated within 1 month of the security update being published.

    E.g. the March security patches have two critical level bugs on Qualcomm hardware. Critical means they can be exploited without physical access or interaction. I didn't look into them but it's highly likely those two bug apply to 8gen2 phones (too).
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    Btw, another point that is rarely mentioned.. Vivo like I think most China phones skips having a barometer (or at least no normal app can access it should it have one).

    Also the compass is horrible. I'm pretty sure that's why I sometimes have problems with navigation at slow speed. the compass is really bad. It's not the gps that's bad, but the acceleration sensors and compass....
    I tried using the x90pp for Kitesurfing with the "surfr" app and it has horrible metrics on jumps in jacket mode. Any phone I used before is much better. Basically it's unusable for those.



    Try using an app like peak finder that relies on exact compass and compare the results to an iphone. Basically peak Finder for me is unusable. I get 20-30° offset most of the time and the horizontal plane is also bad. Only had a chance to compare peak finder with my old galaxy S7, which worked pretty well but not as good as iphone. But yeah usable results...
    Dude why don't you sell your phone, you clearly hate it. From most of your posts, you've made the x90pp sound like the worst phone on the planet. This is a china only release so you should have known what you were getting into.
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    There is another huge advantage for s23U, and that is simply gcam. On x90pro+ gcam spits out horrible colors on the zoom lenses, and in general colors are very different from stock.

    Now gcam s23U is way better imho than x90 pro plus stock camera. X90PP gcam is great, but it's a damn lottery if pics turn out well or not regarding color. Yeah and that applies or any gcam mod I tried.

    Video anyhow is better on Samsung. With gcam on Samsung also being way better (as it gets default colors) the s23U is for me simply the way better photo camera too. With decent configs that exist for s23U any deeper comparison should be s23 gcam.vs x90 pro plus stock camera (as long as gcam is a lottery on colors). And then s23U is simply much much better..... Also preview on x90pro plus gcam is bad, because colors are very different from what you will get jn the picture.

    And yeah for me it's jpg that's counts. Cannot be bothered to shoot raw.


    The above comparison is stupid, that person doesn't know what he is doing it is doing it wrong on purpose! Because no one in a sane mind uses 200MP mode indoors then complains it isn't better. 200MP mode is for very good outdoors only light. 50MP needs good light. But then 50MP mode vs gcam usually still loses, so why bother?

    That's actually one point why for quite many Xiaomi 10 ultra is still the best camera phone. It's the only phone really putting everything it has into camera2 not a crippled version like vivo or a little bit better like Samsung. Xiaomi 11-13 isn't as good anymore, but still offers better camera2 support vs both vivo and Samsung. Yeah Huawei/honor so far also disappoints with camera2.

    I think I will wait for pixel 8. It's pretty sure it will be based on Samsung 3nm which would mean great battery life too. And that's the only real thing which makes pixel7pro impossible for me.
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    I think this ends any debate . The guy its a professional photographer , the amount of tech arguments and facts he speaks are outstanding .
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    Yeah, can't complain:)
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    If you lucky there will be some review of the X90 Pro with comparison to S23U in english. You can hope for some Chinese reviews but even in China the X90 Pro+ is not that popular - there will be much more comparisons with Xiaomi 13 Pro.

    It's rare that chinese only phones will be reviewed by quality review websites like notebookcheck or gsmarena. Though a review of the X90 Pro is quite likely after the huge advertisement campaign by Vivo and expensive laucnh events... Europe and US are not that likely to feature big events however with the Nokia vs BBK copyright claims. Something strangely rarely mentioned here.

    Better battery life is clearly Samsung - many users reporting 10h Dot even on 4G/5G Data. Unherd of for X90 Pro+ (maybe X90 and X90 Pro could get close - they have much better idle drain/battery life).

    Price in Europe is definitely in favour of S23U - which sells for 1169 for the 512GB version with warranty, with update policy that will end in 5 years not maybe in 2 years (older Vivo flagships X flagships - only the Funtouch X versions have 3 major updates promised and updates are already running late - no January securiy patch for X90 Pro+ even on trial channel). Yeah no charger but any PD charger works full speed, vs 18w on X90 Pro+.

    It's too early to call out the cameras - I feel both aren't top. But Samsung bags Video easily and over 10x zoom. Vivo will likely win 3.5-9x zoom range.

    Gorilla Glas Victus 2 vs unknown (likely Schott)

    Bootloader Unlock/Root and after updates are over in 5 years likely Lineage OS and others to continue vs crippled software.

    Accessibiltiy to Samsung shops for battery replacement in 2-3 years of time - vs unlikely to be able to get any authentic new batteries for the X90 Pro+ outside of China (and looking at the reports on here on older Vivo phones - batteries don't seem to age very well on Vivo flagships)

    Android Backup/Auto/Assistant/Maps Timeline and maybe in future more (this list got bigger every 2 years)

    The only points that clearly speak vor Vivo are the fingerprint reader and yeah I personally prefer the design too on the Vivo. Though I don't know how well the Vegan leather ages. Some conflicting reports here. And yeah fast charging on original charger with original cable (missing either means slower than Samsung)

    Display is identical, processor mainly just a newer batch (but that means lower voltages in general)

    Front Camera goes Samsung all the way. Vivo has a midtier phone grade front camera and only 1080P video on the front camera as the sensor does not support 4K/UHD (1440P woudl be possible by third party apps - but none offers that yet. The sensor does support it).

    I feel v2 is a joke - seeing that I mainly use Gcam (which cannot use the v2 chip). 8gen2 ISP would be sufficient as I don't see what the v2 brings at all.

    Both have much worse colours than Pixel/Iphone in my opinion. Both show great detail at night but that isn't everything. Both have big shutter lag but Samsung at least got the autofocus right (on all cameras and not missing on 2 out of 5) and the autofocus working accurately (while that is not true for the main sensor on Vivo).

    Yeah portrait may be better on Vivo 2x camera - but ONLY for typical upper body portrait. If you do full body portrait with the body at 2/3 of the picture size or less - the 2x sensor without autofocus isn't very sharp anymore. Falling back to main sensor is not possible in portrait mode on the Vivo stock camera...


    Vivo X90 Pro+ only has Qualcom Fastconnect 6900 vs 7800 on the S23u (meaning no wifi-7, maybe not even wifi-6e, so far no one could confirm it to work! and missing the newest bluetooth LE additions)

    S23U got Qualcom X70 modem - unsure what Vivo uses (either botched firmware on X70 or is it x65 or is it a chinese modem?)

    Software in general is miles better on Samsung and less buggy. Yeah Vivo is fluid but Samsung too.

    I much rather trust Samsung to fix the software deficiencies it has (mainly on camera - everything else seams great) vs Vivo (which has many many fields to catch up - and some like anything google related will not improve except google goes back on offering full support for it's app that aren't system apps. However with EU/USA and so on pressuring google to allow manufacturers to supply phones without google apps as system apps, that strategy will likely widen in future - as it's an indirect pressure point to include maps, assistant and so on as system app - which is impossible for Chinese market phones if China doesn't allow google which is highly unlikely in the next years).


    The 2x sensor on the Vivo would be useless if the 1x sensor had variable aperture (because the 2x sensor has only bokeeh that speaks for it, low light/resolution/autofocus and basically everything else are worse vs a crop from the main)

    The case on the x90 is a nice plus, but I don't trust cases without air cushion and camera protection - so I don't really see the use for it. If you feel safe enough with that tiny case - you should feel safe enough without any case.

    Gcam support will be much better on S23U as there will surely be nice profiles for color/noise while on X90 Pro+ you are left with dubious colours at night on gcams.


    If the X90 Pro+ had bootloader unlock and root - some issures would be fixable (like google apps) and if lucky once Vivo stops updates there could be some Lineage OS support. Vivo that way kinda steels the only way for long term life of that phone.
    6
    Vivo all the way:
    Better battery, biggest it doesn't mean better always (mine last 28-30 hours) with my use, (a lot camera, data, two facebooks, whastapp, telegram, signal, a lot of youtube and business apps like bank aps etc)
    Better charging speeds (80w) and 50w wireless.
    Better price (buy from aliexpress is like 1000$ or low)
    Better cameras and sensors (all 4 of them)
    Better low light photos and video
    Better design
    Vivo gives you charger, cable, and premium case.
    Both are fast, there is no clear winner.
    5
    x70 pro plus received the February 2023 patches a few days ago, I'm sure that on x90 PP they will arrive together with important software updates (including camera)
    I hope not. Vivo should be able to go straight for March security updates. I guess in 5-6 days there will be the first quarterly Update in the trial channel with March security update.

    The December patch came end of December I think. But really adding security patches should be an effort of some hours for a developer except if you need to dig some security holes up for spyware... Android is really modular by now. If Samsung can push that update within hours of google publishing it, can be expected by others to do it within a couple of days for current or last 2 years flagship devices. And no Vivo receives those things at the same time as Samsung, that is at least one month before it's included in the patches (except for actively exploited bugs that could be fixed as soon as possible) Only google software teams will very likely have access earlier.
    And the thing is, as soon as those security updates are rolling and published including description there is a much higher chance of the bug to be exploited.
    That's why manufacturers get access to them 1 month pre publication!
    And that applies to Vivo/BBK too. Not Huawei anymore as they lost their certification. That's why it's really a shame if any Huawei device is updated quicker than the currently newest/most expensive BBK flagship (candybar not foldable).


    And yeah I never had my phone hacked so far, but once my sever fully ransomware encrypted because I had setup windows updates to be installed 7 days delayed... (5 days past update Tuesday my remote desktop access got hacked). Any device that is connected to the internet simply needs to be updated quickly once updates are published. With android/linux it's harder than windows Server (yeah I also use Linux servers, but I need one windows server for some work stuff and make damn sure I can quickly restore it should it get hacked because I don't trust Windows much at all). There really should not be any phone out there not updated within 1 month of the security update being published.

    E.g. the March security patches have two critical level bugs on Qualcomm hardware. Critical means they can be exploited without physical access or interaction. I didn't look into them but it's highly likely those two bug apply to 8gen2 phones (too).
    5
    Btw, another point that is rarely mentioned.. Vivo like I think most China phones skips having a barometer (or at least no normal app can access it should it have one).

    Also the compass is horrible. I'm pretty sure that's why I sometimes have problems with navigation at slow speed. the compass is really bad. It's not the gps that's bad, but the acceleration sensors and compass....
    I tried using the x90pp for Kitesurfing with the "surfr" app and it has horrible metrics on jumps in jacket mode. Any phone I used before is much better. Basically it's unusable for those.



    Try using an app like peak finder that relies on exact compass and compare the results to an iphone. Basically peak Finder for me is unusable. I get 20-30° offset most of the time and the horizontal plane is also bad. Only had a chance to compare peak finder with my old galaxy S7, which worked pretty well but not as good as iphone. But yeah usable results...
    Dude why don't you sell your phone, you clearly hate it. From most of your posts, you've made the x90pp sound like the worst phone on the planet. This is a china only release so you should have known what you were getting into.
    5
    Ok. i am going to tell my personal experience with x90PP and a short hands on with s23 ultra, which is an incredible phone exactly like the s22u was

    1- Camera:
    - there is no way s23 camera can produce better pics than x90, its that simple
    - even in zoom range ,if its not daylight vivo is better,
    - i prefer vivos videos cuz its sharper, but its not conclusive like the photos part
    - USE effects and be creative, this phone can produce DSLR quality photos

    Battery
    - my vivo's battery outlasts my daily driver iphone 14 pro max so for sure its better than s23
    - no need to discuss the charging speed, i mean ... come on!


    Biometrics:
    - comparing both fingerprint and face unlock between these two is a joke, performance is MILES better with vivo


    Software experience
    i prefer oneui in general and all the useful options it gives but originOS has its own hidden gems, for example Easyshare application on PC and you can mirror wirelessly your phone to your PC Screen. customizing everything, the awesome widgets ,,,,, etc

    gaming:
    didnt get the chance to play with samsung but daily minimum 2 hours playing marvel future fight, some casual asphalt races and candy crush i can confirm this phone is built for gaming - no heat no lag no dropped frames and most importantly the days with heavy gaming seasions battery lasts minimum 7 to 8 hours SOT

    now for unlocking bootloader- personally i dont care
    but seriously who wants to unlock their bootloader these days? but if thats what you want. dont buy the vivo

    there is no eSim but again "i dont care"

    modem and reception and calls quality top notch


    now the most important thing: the WOW Factor.
    its a head turner, everyone will ask what the hell is this and it gives the this feeling that you have the best device at most of what it does + you are actually the only one have it