x70 pro plus received the February 2023 patches a few days ago, I'm sure that on x90 PP they will arrive together with important software updates (including camera)
Question Vivo x90 pro+ vs S23U
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x70 pro plus received the February 2023 patches a few days ago, I'm sure that on x90 PP they will arrive together with important software updates (including camera)
I hope not. Vivo should be able to go straight for March security updates. I guess in 5-6 days there will be the first quarterly Update in the trial channel with March security update.
The December patch came end of December I think. But really adding security patches should be an effort of some hours for a developer except if you need to dig some security holes up for spyware... Android is really modular by now. If Samsung can push that update within hours of google publishing it, can be expected by others to do it within a couple of days for current or last 2 years flagship devices. And no Vivo receives those things at the same time as Samsung, that is at least one month before it's included in the patches (except for actively exploited bugs that could be fixed as soon as possible) Only google software teams will very likely have access earlier.
And the thing is, as soon as those security updates are rolling and published including description there is a much higher chance of the bug to be exploited.
That's why manufacturers get access to them 1 month pre publication!
And that applies to Vivo/BBK too. Not Huawei anymore as they lost their certification. That's why it's really a shame if any Huawei device is updated quicker than the currently newest/most expensive BBK flagship (candybar not foldable).
And yeah I never had my phone hacked so far, but once my sever fully ransomware encrypted because I had setup windows updates to be installed 7 days delayed... (5 days past update Tuesday my remote desktop access got hacked). Any device that is connected to the internet simply needs to be updated quickly once updates are published. With android/linux it's harder than windows Server (yeah I also use Linux servers, but I need one windows server for some work stuff and make damn sure I can quickly restore it should it get hacked because I don't trust Windows much at all). There really should not be any phone out there not updated within 1 month of the security update being published.
E.g. the March security patches have two critical level bugs on Qualcomm hardware. Critical means they can be exploited without physical access or interaction. I didn't look into them but it's highly likely those two bug apply to 8gen2 phones (too).
Btw, another point that is rarely mentioned.. Vivo like I think most China phones skips having a barometer (or at least no normal app can access it should it have one).
Also the compass is horrible. I'm pretty sure that's why I sometimes have problems with navigation at slow speed. the compass is really bad. It's not the gps that's bad, but the acceleration sensors and compass....
I tried using the x90pp for Kitesurfing with the "surfr" app and it has horrible metrics on jumps in jacket mode. Any phone I used before is much better. Basically it's unusable for those.
Try using an app like peak finder that relies on exact compass and compare the results to an iphone. Basically peak Finder for me is unusable. I get 20-30° offset most of the time and the horizontal plane is also bad. Only had a chance to compare peak finder with my old galaxy S7, which worked pretty well but not as good as iphone. But yeah usable results...
Also the compass is horrible. I'm pretty sure that's why I sometimes have problems with navigation at slow speed. the compass is really bad. It's not the gps that's bad, but the acceleration sensors and compass....
I tried using the x90pp for Kitesurfing with the "surfr" app and it has horrible metrics on jumps in jacket mode. Any phone I used before is much better. Basically it's unusable for those.
Try using an app like peak finder that relies on exact compass and compare the results to an iphone. Basically peak Finder for me is unusable. I get 20-30° offset most of the time and the horizontal plane is also bad. Only had a chance to compare peak finder with my old galaxy S7, which worked pretty well but not as good as iphone. But yeah usable results...
Dude why don't you sell your phone, you clearly hate it. From most of your posts, you've made the x90pp sound like the worst phone on the planet. This is a china only release so you should have known what you were getting into.
If that's a genuine fault then I'll have serious reservations about buying a X90PP. I'm having no end of trouble with my Note 10+ and navigation (Google Maps, Waze, etc.) simply because it's impossible to change the gps.conf file without root access.
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He's the only one with GPS issues, bad battery life, bad signal and bad Gcam experience or whatever. He is referring to some chinese sites always but I haven't seen anyone here with same problems.
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If you move it's okay. Also if you stop in a car. But foot /bike in dense high rise areas is worse for me than other phones. The compass is really inaccurate vs other phones I had/can try (apps like Peak finder are the best test because it's about 3d compass nor 2d). And surf app that works well on other phones is so inaccurate it doesn't make sense (that all mainly relies on acceleration data which needs to be accurate/high refresh to work). It's a bit strange because the sensors seem to have good refresh rates. Orientation sensor is also pretty accurate and fast
Maybe the sensors work better with "amap"? Clearly third party apps have problems.
Google Maps will work better with WiFi on and can use that a lot, I compare with WiFi fully off (no background scanning allowed). The gps actually is quite good if you use it for track logs. So I misinterpreted the problems when cycling with bad gps, but the problem are the other sensors or the coordination of them for location purposes.
Quite high refresh rates on accelerometer - but for navigation tiny errors will add up in drift so testing accuracy without a lab or a really good logging software that can match it to navigation really hard. Gold standard test would be to drive into a tunnel stop a few times and drive out and your position in the tunnel without WiFi/gps triangulation stays accurate. Of course this then requires the inbuilt location module to properly handle the data (maybe that's the culprit too and not the sensor itself) :
Phone lying flat on table - rotation sensor/orientation seems pretty accurate. I made sure to have the camera module not on the table of course (thats why I cannot use the floor)
Magnetic=compass. Vivo own brand or undisclosed. High refresh rates but problematic in accuracy (and yeah peak finder apps are like the gold standard test on accuracy if orientation sensor works well enough which it does). Any Peak finder app with really lousy results = some problem on the compass.
Navigation nowadays isn't that much about GPS but a lot about how compass, acceleration sensors, gyration sensors are used to make up for difficult reception. If you are in a deep valley or lots of high rise buildings around that matters much more than the actual GPS reception. Also triangulation on known WiFi antennas is used. At car speeds it's all fine. Problems are for me at low speeds only and yeah with the compass.
Barometer doesn't exist. Or no app can access it (which would be the same result) Samsung Galaxy phones all have barometer. That's a fact no way how you wanna promote vivo. But yeah Huawei also skips on barometer on most phones. Xiaomi often has a Bosch 285 barometer on their flagships.
Maybe the sensors work better with "amap"? Clearly third party apps have problems.
Google Maps will work better with WiFi on and can use that a lot, I compare with WiFi fully off (no background scanning allowed). The gps actually is quite good if you use it for track logs. So I misinterpreted the problems when cycling with bad gps, but the problem are the other sensors or the coordination of them for location purposes.
Quite high refresh rates on accelerometer - but for navigation tiny errors will add up in drift so testing accuracy without a lab or a really good logging software that can match it to navigation really hard. Gold standard test would be to drive into a tunnel stop a few times and drive out and your position in the tunnel without WiFi/gps triangulation stays accurate. Of course this then requires the inbuilt location module to properly handle the data (maybe that's the culprit too and not the sensor itself) :
Phone lying flat on table - rotation sensor/orientation seems pretty accurate. I made sure to have the camera module not on the table of course (thats why I cannot use the floor)
Magnetic=compass. Vivo own brand or undisclosed. High refresh rates but problematic in accuracy (and yeah peak finder apps are like the gold standard test on accuracy if orientation sensor works well enough which it does). Any Peak finder app with really lousy results = some problem on the compass.
Navigation nowadays isn't that much about GPS but a lot about how compass, acceleration sensors, gyration sensors are used to make up for difficult reception. If you are in a deep valley or lots of high rise buildings around that matters much more than the actual GPS reception. Also triangulation on known WiFi antennas is used. At car speeds it's all fine. Problems are for me at low speeds only and yeah with the compass.
Barometer doesn't exist. Or no app can access it (which would be the same result) Samsung Galaxy phones all have barometer. That's a fact no way how you wanna promote vivo. But yeah Huawei also skips on barometer on most phones. Xiaomi often has a Bosch 285 barometer on their flagships.
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bruh how do you get 9h screen time??? mine can't last for more than 5-6 hours and is used mostly on wifi. I don't play games and probably tiktok is the most battery drain app that i use less than 1 hour per day. The battery life is decent but nowhere near my wife's s23 ultra.
so the bad battery comes from vivo's network modem? because indeed compared to my wife's s23 ultra the battery is pretty mediocre, is a shame because in most other aspects is better and for sure will be my last vivo if they don't fix this on next flagship. My mistake for not waiting for a battery drain test before buying it.
Test Vivo X90 Pro Smartphone - Kann MediaTeks Highend-SoC mit dem Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 mithalten?
Das Vivo X90 Pro ist ein Oberklasse-Handy mit dem neuen Mediatek-SoC Dimensity 9200. Lohnt sich ein Kauf des Vivo-Phones?www.notebookcheck.com
So far only in German - but Vivo X90 Pro review is out on Notebookcheck - and nearly all benchmarks you can add already any S23 device too. Battery life of X90 Pro is more or less identical to X90 Pro+. Already on Wifi only this is about 20% shorter than S23U - and even shorter than the Vanilla 3900mAh S23. But the X90 Pro(+) probllems are clearly on network data! That's why on GSMAreana the difference is actually over 30% better for the S23U vs X90 Pro (96h vs 126). If you rely mainly on mobile data it's a 40-50% differnce - while mainly on Wifi it will be 20%.
It's a bit of a shame that notebookcheck only did the Wifi test, and not their other battery tests on the two Vivo devices. I really don't understand why - so far they nearly allways did all tests on all phones they reviewed.
GSMArena hasn't yet published the S23 reviews either - but they also had similar poor battery life (for Mediatek 9200/8Gen2) on the Vivo X90 Pro(+) phones with especially mediocre Standby times.
It's pretty ridiculous to claim the X90 Pro+ has anywhere near the battery life of the S23U. The only place where it only loses by a small margin is tests that run games/benchmarks non stop. That is explainable because both have the same chip so if the chip is maxed out - the battery consumption is pretty equal (and the only difference than the 300mAh of battery size)
So anyone claiming that the battery life would be better on X90 Pro+ could so far not provide any public tests for this.
BTW - Audio of course is also a clear winner for Samsung - both on recording as well as playback. Dxomark (which clearly is not favourable to Samsung seeing how they score them) has the Audio score at 139 vs 132 for the X90 Pro+ (S23 133, S23+ 137)
There is not much comparison of the display yet - but well likely both are pretty identical here - with both being Samsung E6. The S23U scored 148 points vs the current best Apple Iphone 14 Pro Max 149 points, differences will only be in colour calibration and that could be a bit of a gamble on device to device.
There are two places my 90 pro+ has really bad battery drain.
1. mobile data use - so the modem or it's firmware (likely the first because they optimized this in the last 2 upgrades but it is still awful on bigger downloads just better with low data use)
2. Standby drain when moving as in sports. It I have it in my pocket while cycling or running or hiking I have a minimum of 2% drain per hour. Often 3%. And I debloated health apps and the pedometer/step counter is clearly switched off.
Only if I put it into airplane mode most of the day I can get 2 days battery life for hiking. My old p30 Pro did the same without airplane mode or 3 days with airplane mode.
So basically when I don't care at all about battery life it's great, meaning in office/home where I can charge anyhow. But when I am outdoors unable to charge the battery is not even mediocre but really bad.
Also my battery calibration has gone non linear. It will charge to about 106%. But at below 40% the battery starts to run out very fast. So 58-60% is the real 50%>.
It drops like a stone below 15% only to then stay active quite long at 0% (like having 3-4% left before switching off).
To me that calibration feels like a go to specifically look better in Chinese style phone reviews which usually don't run down the battery... Xiaomi is clearly doing the same as can be seen on YouTube drain videos where both X90pp and Xiaomi 13 pro look great at the beginning but then give up quite early (not that those videos have much practical use as they always run in WiFi from a fixed location. They kinda only tell you how battery behaves while gaming but make X90pp look much better then it is. Realistic is GSMArena and dxomark battery on the go tests and x90 pro failed badly at GSMArena for battery considering it has 8gen2.
1. mobile data use - so the modem or it's firmware (likely the first because they optimized this in the last 2 upgrades but it is still awful on bigger downloads just better with low data use)
2. Standby drain when moving as in sports. It I have it in my pocket while cycling or running or hiking I have a minimum of 2% drain per hour. Often 3%. And I debloated health apps and the pedometer/step counter is clearly switched off.
Only if I put it into airplane mode most of the day I can get 2 days battery life for hiking. My old p30 Pro did the same without airplane mode or 3 days with airplane mode.
So basically when I don't care at all about battery life it's great, meaning in office/home where I can charge anyhow. But when I am outdoors unable to charge the battery is not even mediocre but really bad.
Also my battery calibration has gone non linear. It will charge to about 106%. But at below 40% the battery starts to run out very fast. So 58-60% is the real 50%>.
It drops like a stone below 15% only to then stay active quite long at 0% (like having 3-4% left before switching off).
To me that calibration feels like a go to specifically look better in Chinese style phone reviews which usually don't run down the battery... Xiaomi is clearly doing the same as can be seen on YouTube drain videos where both X90pp and Xiaomi 13 pro look great at the beginning but then give up quite early (not that those videos have much practical use as they always run in WiFi from a fixed location. They kinda only tell you how battery behaves while gaming but make X90pp look much better then it is. Realistic is GSMArena and dxomark battery on the go tests and x90 pro failed badly at GSMArena for battery considering it has 8gen2.
With wifi only i have about 10,5h SOT. I also don't play games. YouTube, WhatsApp, telegram, browsing... That's what i do.
how????? i don't get it how mine performs so badly.
Today i barely used the phone and 50% of the time was on wifi and take a look at the screenshot
47% with 2h 20 min of screen time, i barely get 5 hours screen time out of this phone.
I really don't see any app consuming anything unusual .
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Oh wow that's incredible bad. Last time I had such bad battery life with the OnePlus 9 pro when it was released. I don't know how to increase battery life since I was never interested into that. I just use the phone like always without battery optimizations or whatever.
now i'm even more pissed because I was ready to accept that the battery simple sucks but seems that it sucks only on my device.
I have restored com.vivo.pem that i removed with debloat script as some recommend and will keep on eye on it.
I really don't understand because I got like 4 apps that i disabled optimizations, i keep my screen on 1080p, i have refresh rate on smart, i have 5g disabled and even changed the live wallpapers with something static.
I'd really hate to do a hard reset and waste an entire day setting up the phone + few days keeping it dumb just to observe the battery drain beforehand.
By any chance do any of you have linked a vivo account? I used a vpn to have access to lost device and registered an account, maybe that's a potential reason too.
I have linked the vivo account too. I debloated a lot, but had to restore phone, i-manager and appstore after the phone started to act weird after software update (at time of debloat it was all fine).
You first need to check whether the power use is from standby or screen on.
If I am at home standby is like 0.5-1% per hour. If I'm on the move 1.5-3% per hour - always on mobile data.
One hour surfing with chrome and Adguard enabled (that makes a big difference) is 8-10% on 4G, 6-7% on wifi.
So reaching 10 hours SOT I've never managed. That would only be possible as a couch potato on my phone so to say. I think Maximum is 8.5 hours without wifi.
Camera use sucks the battery badly. 25% for stock camera per hour, 20% for gcam. Mind that is with google photo sync off. It I enable that add 5% per hour because as I've often documented mobile data sucks the battery empty, even more with bad reception.
So 3.45-11 hours within 18 hours all is possible just depends on how I use it.
S23U would be 6-13.5 hours on similar usage, because mobile data works much better, standby drain is better and the battery a little bit bigger.
The screen is really efficient. Hats of to Samsung E6. Even with high brightness in the sun it's still really reasonable. Like 12-13% surfing in Chrome outdoors on a really sunny day (yeah try to hold phone in the shadow of course). That's not a huge change to the 8-10% in low light!
The battery life on my Vivo is better than my previous phone, Huawei P30 pro.
Regardless of your experience, I simply don't believe you can't get through a day on a full charge, even with heavy use. And I find it even less believable that you don't have any charging option at any point during the day/evening.
If you are such a heavy user that battery is drained within a 12-hour day, surely you will also be smart enough to carry a charger.
Regardless of your experience, I simply don't believe you can't get through a day on a full charge, even with heavy use. And I find it even less believable that you don't have any charging option at any point during the day/evening.
If you are such a heavy user that battery is drained within a 12-hour day, surely you will also be smart enough to carry a charger.
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3Another devastating review from China:
「主观」vivo X90Pro+对我来说的缺点【Tony小向说】_哔哩哔哩_bilibili
回寝室了暂时还没收拾出来地方拍Aroll，这次就先不出镜啦, 视频播放量 19303、弹幕量...www.bilibili.com
long time review without case. plenty of people scratch or break the camera glas. In China not a big deal - costs about 20USD to get it replaced there. In Europe/USA I wouldn't know how to replace it....
Also usage without case the vegan plastic suffered pretty badly as seen in the video. Complaining about sound and vibration motor (like many others).
And again just another video complaining about **** battery life (Chinese user so no google services installed, the battery life is **** without it too). Kinda in the end the only strong point/positive about this phone being the fingerprint sensor, charging speed and good main sensor camera.
A more positive long time review - quite a few pics of broken camera glasses:
「花生」vivo X90 Pro+四个月使用报告：2023年它还够顶级么？_哔哩哔哩_bilibili
这回是真的浅谈，这几个月XPP已经成为我生活的一部分，太熟悉了反而在写稿的时候，不知道怎么说。...www.bilibili.com
I would say the single cameras on S23U surely are better protected - then if you live in China getting an exchange for the camera module glass on X90PP is okay, outside it's only glue yourself and get it in questionable quality on Alibaba... Kinda had that problem on a Huawei device once - where I got less than mediocre replacement camera glass.
I feel there is still no satisfactory case for X90PP available - either not very protective or horrible design/too bulky. I just ordered replacement screen protectors - cause the factory one is completely broken. Some holes from detaching and scratches all over. Looks way way worse after 4 months use vs a 3 year old phone display that never had a protector on. Now using it without protector - not good if you want to sell that phone later - and the display didn't get grade remarks when it comes to it's scratch resistance. Vivo as we know skimped on getting gorilla glas. -
8If you lucky there will be some review of the X90 Pro with comparison to S23U in english. You can hope for some Chinese reviews but even in China the X90 Pro+ is not that popular - there will be much more comparisons with Xiaomi 13 Pro.
It's rare that chinese only phones will be reviewed by quality review websites like notebookcheck or gsmarena. Though a review of the X90 Pro is quite likely after the huge advertisement campaign by Vivo and expensive laucnh events... Europe and US are not that likely to feature big events however with the Nokia vs BBK copyright claims. Something strangely rarely mentioned here.
Better battery life is clearly Samsung - many users reporting 10h Dot even on 4G/5G Data. Unherd of for X90 Pro+ (maybe X90 and X90 Pro could get close - they have much better idle drain/battery life).
Price in Europe is definitely in favour of S23U - which sells for 1169 for the 512GB version with warranty, with update policy that will end in 5 years not maybe in 2 years (older Vivo flagships X flagships - only the Funtouch X versions have 3 major updates promised and updates are already running late - no January securiy patch for X90 Pro+ even on trial channel). Yeah no charger but any PD charger works full speed, vs 18w on X90 Pro+.
It's too early to call out the cameras - I feel both aren't top. But Samsung bags Video easily and over 10x zoom. Vivo will likely win 3.5-9x zoom range.
Gorilla Glas Victus 2 vs unknown (likely Schott)
Bootloader Unlock/Root and after updates are over in 5 years likely Lineage OS and others to continue vs crippled software.
Accessibiltiy to Samsung shops for battery replacement in 2-3 years of time - vs unlikely to be able to get any authentic new batteries for the X90 Pro+ outside of China (and looking at the reports on here on older Vivo phones - batteries don't seem to age very well on Vivo flagships)
Android Backup/Auto/Assistant/Maps Timeline and maybe in future more (this list got bigger every 2 years)
The only points that clearly speak vor Vivo are the fingerprint reader and yeah I personally prefer the design too on the Vivo. Though I don't know how well the Vegan leather ages. Some conflicting reports here. And yeah fast charging on original charger with original cable (missing either means slower than Samsung)
Display is identical, processor mainly just a newer batch (but that means lower voltages in general)
Front Camera goes Samsung all the way. Vivo has a midtier phone grade front camera and only 1080P video on the front camera as the sensor does not support 4K/UHD (1440P woudl be possible by third party apps - but none offers that yet. The sensor does support it).
I feel v2 is a joke - seeing that I mainly use Gcam (which cannot use the v2 chip). 8gen2 ISP would be sufficient as I don't see what the v2 brings at all.
Both have much worse colours than Pixel/Iphone in my opinion. Both show great detail at night but that isn't everything. Both have big shutter lag but Samsung at least got the autofocus right (on all cameras and not missing on 2 out of 5) and the autofocus working accurately (while that is not true for the main sensor on Vivo).
Yeah portrait may be better on Vivo 2x camera - but ONLY for typical upper body portrait. If you do full body portrait with the body at 2/3 of the picture size or less - the 2x sensor without autofocus isn't very sharp anymore. Falling back to main sensor is not possible in portrait mode on the Vivo stock camera...
Vivo X90 Pro+ only has Qualcom Fastconnect 6900 vs 7800 on the S23u (meaning no wifi-7, maybe not even wifi-6e, so far no one could confirm it to work! and missing the newest bluetooth LE additions)
S23U got Qualcom X70 modem - unsure what Vivo uses (either botched firmware on X70 or is it x65 or is it a chinese modem?)
Software in general is miles better on Samsung and less buggy. Yeah Vivo is fluid but Samsung too.
I much rather trust Samsung to fix the software deficiencies it has (mainly on camera - everything else seams great) vs Vivo (which has many many fields to catch up - and some like anything google related will not improve except google goes back on offering full support for it's app that aren't system apps. However with EU/USA and so on pressuring google to allow manufacturers to supply phones without google apps as system apps, that strategy will likely widen in future - as it's an indirect pressure point to include maps, assistant and so on as system app - which is impossible for Chinese market phones if China doesn't allow google which is highly unlikely in the next years).
The 2x sensor on the Vivo would be useless if the 1x sensor had variable aperture (because the 2x sensor has only bokeeh that speaks for it, low light/resolution/autofocus and basically everything else are worse vs a crop from the main)
The case on the x90 is a nice plus, but I don't trust cases without air cushion and camera protection - so I don't really see the use for it. If you feel safe enough with that tiny case - you should feel safe enough without any case.
Gcam support will be much better on S23U as there will surely be nice profiles for color/noise while on X90 Pro+ you are left with dubious colours at night on gcams.
If the X90 Pro+ had bootloader unlock and root - some issures would be fixable (like google apps) and if lucky once Vivo stops updates there could be some Lineage OS support. Vivo that way kinda steels the only way for long term life of that phone.6Vivo all the way:
Better battery, biggest it doesn't mean better always (mine last 28-30 hours) with my use, (a lot camera, data, two facebooks, whastapp, telegram, signal, a lot of youtube and business apps like bank aps etc)
Better charging speeds (80w) and 50w wireless.
Better price (buy from aliexpress is like 1000$ or low)
Better cameras and sensors (all 4 of them)
Better low light photos and video
Better design
Vivo gives you charger, cable, and premium case.
Both are fast, there is no clear winner.5
I hope not. Vivo should be able to go straight for March security updates. I guess in 5-6 days there will be the first quarterly Update in the trial channel with March security update.
The December patch came end of December I think. But really adding security patches should be an effort of some hours for a developer except if you need to dig some security holes up for spyware... Android is really modular by now. If Samsung can push that update within hours of google publishing it, can be expected by others to do it within a couple of days for current or last 2 years flagship devices. And no Vivo receives those things at the same time as Samsung, that is at least one month before it's included in the patches (except for actively exploited bugs that could be fixed as soon as possible) Only google software teams will very likely have access earlier.
And the thing is, as soon as those security updates are rolling and published including description there is a much higher chance of the bug to be exploited.
That's why manufacturers get access to them 1 month pre publication!
And that applies to Vivo/BBK too. Not Huawei anymore as they lost their certification. That's why it's really a shame if any Huawei device is updated quicker than the currently newest/most expensive BBK flagship (candybar not foldable).
And yeah I never had my phone hacked so far, but once my sever fully ransomware encrypted because I had setup windows updates to be installed 7 days delayed... (5 days past update Tuesday my remote desktop access got hacked). Any device that is connected to the internet simply needs to be updated quickly once updates are published. With android/linux it's harder than windows Server (yeah I also use Linux servers, but I need one windows server for some work stuff and make damn sure I can quickly restore it should it get hacked because I don't trust Windows much at all). There really should not be any phone out there not updated within 1 month of the security update being published.
E.g. the March security patches have two critical level bugs on Qualcomm hardware. Critical means they can be exploited without physical access or interaction. I didn't look into them but it's highly likely those two bug apply to 8gen2 phones (too).5
Dude why don't you sell your phone, you clearly hate it. From most of your posts, you've made the x90pp sound like the worst phone on the planet. This is a china only release so you should have known what you were getting into.5Ok. i am going to tell my personal experience with x90PP and a short hands on with s23 ultra, which is an incredible phone exactly like the s22u was
1- Camera:
- there is no way s23 camera can produce better pics than x90, its that simple
- even in zoom range ,if its not daylight vivo is better,
- i prefer vivos videos cuz its sharper, but its not conclusive like the photos part
- USE effects and be creative, this phone can produce DSLR quality photos
Battery
- my vivo's battery outlasts my daily driver iphone 14 pro max so for sure its better than s23
- no need to discuss the charging speed, i mean ... come on!
Biometrics:
- comparing both fingerprint and face unlock between these two is a joke, performance is MILES better with vivo
Software experience
i prefer oneui in general and all the useful options it gives but originOS has its own hidden gems, for example Easyshare application on PC and you can mirror wirelessly your phone to your PC Screen. customizing everything, the awesome widgets ,,,,, etc
gaming:
didnt get the chance to play with samsung but daily minimum 2 hours playing marvel future fight, some casual asphalt races and candy crush i can confirm this phone is built for gaming - no heat no lag no dropped frames and most importantly the days with heavy gaming seasions battery lasts minimum 7 to 8 hours SOT
now for unlocking bootloader- personally i dont care
but seriously who wants to unlock their bootloader these days? but if thats what you want. dont buy the vivo
there is no eSim but again "i dont care"
modem and reception and calls quality top notch
now the most important thing: the WOW Factor.
its a head turner, everyone will ask what the hell is this and it gives the this feeling that you have the best device at most of what it does + you are actually the only one have it
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