Question What do you loose if you root or flash a galaxy z fold, is Knox still an issue like before?

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justloyld

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With samsung releasing necessary bits for the development of Custom ROMs is there still dramatic downsides to flashing any of these potential roms onto a samsung device, is the dreaded Knox still an issue in this department?
 

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With samsung releasing necessary bits for the development of Custom ROMs is there still dramatic downsides to flashing any of these potential roms onto a samsung device, is the dreaded Knox still an issue in this department?
I rooted an s20 Ultra a couple of years ago the following issues occurred.

I had a Galaxy watch 2 and 3 both would fail to sync with the phone
s-health would not work
Samsung pay would not work
the secure folder would not work
Samsung pass also stopped working

these apps did fail to work but relocking the bootloader brought the google play certification back
google play store became uncertified which made google pay and my banking app also stop working
OTA updates stopped to

wasn't worth it for me haven't done it since the s20 ultra.
 
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Yeah, AFAIK it blows the knox fuse, so anything with personal data from Samsung stops working. That includes pay, wear, health, sec folder etc. Also Google stuff becomes a pain. Probably work around for that, but honestly, doesn't give you anything, and just causes issue, so don't bother
 

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Yeah, AFAIK it blows the knox fuse, so anything with personal data from Samsung stops working. That includes pay, wear, health, sec folder etc. Also Google stuff becomes a pain. Probably work around for that, but honestly, doesn't give you anything, and just causes issue, so don't bother
Totally agree. Rooting a phone in 2022 is as useful as buying a house with an outside toilet. Not many want this feature in their life.
 
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Rooting doesn't make any sense anymore. on the contrary it brings so many issues especially regarding banking and password managing applications.
I was a flashcoholic during the good old days, and rooting a phone was the first thing I did when I purchased any phone. but that was because of the software limitations and the mostly not up-to-date Android on the phones I bought. Add to that I didn't have bank apps back then.
Now Samsung has almost the best software update policy, you can buy the phone today and have OS updates for the next four years, add to that the maturity the software and the UI have reached. Tweaks are barely needed and if so, there is the Good Lock app which has many useful additions and customization.
 

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Rooting doesn't make any sense anymore. on the contrary it brings so many issues especially regarding banking and password managing applications.
I was a flashcoholic during the good old days, and rooting a phone was the first thing I did when I purchased any phone.
#MeToo. I am a recovering root-a-holic from late 2000s to mid 2010s but rooting a samsung in the 2020s is more trouble than benefit for anyone who is not an active XDA custom rom dev.
 

Thrudvangar

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i did root my fold 4 because several apps (titanium, Lucky Patcher) i use need root access.
and LP is so important because i can disable annoying ads in apps.

banking apps do run great with zygisk in magisk.
 

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People who are talking that root is not as important as before. Give me an alternative to Viper4android without root. and I will get Convinced.
No idea why you need it, the sound profile is decent out of it with a little tweaking of the dsp settings and decent headphones. After all your listening for the most part over a lossy connection (Bluetooth) anyhow. But if you 'need' it, then more power too you, but a synthetic dsp is not worth the agro impo
 
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No idea why you need it, the sound profile is decent out of it with a little tweaking of the dsp settings and decent headphones. After all your listening for the most part over a lossy connection (Bluetooth) anyhow. But if you 'need' it, then more power too you, but a synthetic dsp is not worth the agro impo
I have been using Viper for more than 13 years not since I owned a Samsung Galaxy S4, running by Huawei phones, Oneplus. I have never seen any OEM Audio tuning that brings the same quality and crisp sound that viper brings, and tons of customizations.. I make my phones sound better with Airpods pros than iPhones themselves..

I would really like to invest in a fold 4. but If I can't get it to sound like my rooted Oneplus 7t pro I will be very disappointed..
 
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People who are talking that root is not as important as before. Give me an alternative to Viper4android without root. and I will get Convinced.
I dont know what new functionality V4A would give me and I'm obviously not missing it as I haven't felt the need to root any phone for well over 5 years. Android 12/13 and Samsung UI is plenty flexible and open enough for the vast majority of users not to NEED to root.

Nobody is saying you don't have the right to root,... you do have the right! Go root yout $2000 device if you want to Its your choice ;)
...but root with your eyes open and research the pros and cons before you flash a non-samsung image & permanently trip the knox efuse.


HOWEVER.... look again at the title of this forum topic

What do you loose if you root or flash a galaxy z fold, is Knox still an issue like before?​

Answer: You lose a heck of a lot in most regions of the world ! .... Banking apps, Samsung Pay... Warranty. and Knox eFuse is tripped permanently.
 
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I have been using Viper for more than 13 years not since I owned a Samsung Galaxy S4, running by Huawei phones, Oneplus. I have never seen any OEM Audio tuning that brings the same quality and crisp sound that viper brings, and tons of customizations.. I make my phones sound better with Airpods pros than iPhones themselves..

I would really like to invest in a fold 4. but If I can't get it to sound like my rooted Oneplus 7t pro I will be very disappointed..

hi mastrok. i felt the same like you. i was using v4a since many many years and i loved it.

so then i did buy a fold 4 and i started to realize that v4a will not work on this phone. this was very sad and disappointing for me.

so i had to look for an alternative solution.

i installed jamesdsp via magisk and i use poweramp.

in jamesdsp i only set up the convolver. in poweramp i set up the equalizer and the bass and treble adjustment.

for me the sound is now like in v4a.

i am satisfied with that solution.

but to come back to the topic: you need root access for that i assume.
 

Thrudvangar

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I dont know what new functionality V4A would give me and I'm obviously not missing it as I haven't felt the need to root any phone for well over 5 years. Android 12/13 and Samsung UI is plenty flexible and open enough for the vast majority of users not to NEED to root.

Nobody is saying you don't have the right to root,... you do have the right! Go root yout $2000 device if you want to Its your choice ;)
...but root with your eyes open and research the pros and cons before you flash a non-samsung image & permanently trip the knox efuse.


HOWEVER.... look again at the title of this forum topic

What do you loose if you root or flash a galaxy z fold, is Knox still an issue like before?​

Answer: You lose a heck of a lot in most regions of the world ! .... Banking apps, Samsung Pay... Warranty. and Knox eFuse is tripped permanently.

why do you say that you loose banking apps and samsung pay with root? that is not true!

and after root my knox status remained at knox 0x0 as i remember when i was the last time in download mode.

i can easily unroot it if i want.
 

dezborders

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why do you say that you loose banking apps and samsung pay with root? that is not true!

and after root my knox status remained at knox 0x0 as i remember when i was the last time in download mode.

i can easily unroot it if i want.
It IS true in the UK that some banking apps wont run on rooted devices (santander, HSBC for 2 examples)

My understanding was that knox is tripped permanently first time you flash a custom rom or a non samsung image.
News to me that this has changed, but good luck to you. ;)

I will never root a samsung phone again ever ever. no need. too many downsides. too few upsides.
Finally, there was a poll in XDA last month about who plans to root their Fold4. 75% of recipients said never ever. 25% said maybe.
Rooting is now un unpopular and specialist option less than 25% of XDA members want. This is fact, stats taken from an open poll.
 

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    Rooting doesn't make any sense anymore. on the contrary it brings so many issues especially regarding banking and password managing applications.
    I was a flashcoholic during the good old days, and rooting a phone was the first thing I did when I purchased any phone. but that was because of the software limitations and the mostly not up-to-date Android on the phones I bought. Add to that I didn't have bank apps back then.
    Now Samsung has almost the best software update policy, you can buy the phone today and have OS updates for the next four years, add to that the maturity the software and the UI have reached. Tweaks are barely needed and if so, there is the Good Lock app which has many useful additions and customization.
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    > if you want to have your phone bloated with unused apps
    storage space is not a problem on a 128GB or higher phone. I can disable or ignore apps I dont use. this is a non issue on unrooted devices

    >ads, if you want to watch youtube with Ads,
    buy a youtube permium subscription. pay for the ad free service instead of rooting then stealing / cheating

    >and listen to the same nordVPN sponsor every day
    Again perhaps the paid for nordVPN is the morally responsible way to use their service without ads.

    >and have your phone sounds normal not as good as a rooted phone with viper4android.
    nothing is remotely wrong with quality of sound on my phone and i mainly stream to headphones or soundbar over BT.
    So that's another non issue irrelevant to 99.9% of smartphone owners who have not rooted.

    >and want to ignore battery-saving tweaks like Greenify.
    Hooray! At last one potentially useful root-enabled phone feature that is available. ;)
    How much % increase SOT do you get? If its 5-10% its not not worth rooting for. If 50% or 100% SOT increase you win the point this time.

    >OTA. (Response from another post). if you flash magisk via patched boot image. you can get the OTA without bricking the phone. while keeping the root. the only downside is that your phone will download the full frimware again 5Gbs+ rather than downloading a 200MB update. which doesn't matter. and magisk will patch the new frimware boot image for you. before restarting. without the need of a computer at all.

    Compromise and extra work and increased data usage. Most definitely not acceptable reason to root for me thank you

    >(some) Risk of trippig knox - no warranty in EU with tripped knox
    perfect reason never ever to root a samsung phone ever.

    >Some apps dont work after rooting (but magisk can get them working again)
    Can ALL apps that dont work with rooted or knox tripped devices be made to work 100% again? Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Banking Apps, etc.


    Seems to me we can just agree that anyone who wants to root their device can do this if they know & accept all the pros and cons.
    Anyone who doesnt need the "benefit" of a rooted phone or decides the risk and compromise are too great does not.
    I know which side me and 75% of XDA F4 owners are on lol.
    All what you are saying is conflicting with the root idea, of companies trying to collect as much money as possible from the user. and still not giving them the freedom to do what they want to do.

    I am someone who owns gaming PCs / Amazon Firesticks powered TVs with Sony 5.1 soundbars. Apple Macbooks / iPad/ Airpods pro, Couple of Razer/ Logitech Gaming accessories. trust me all these things won't work together as good as having the freedom of Jailbraiking the apple devices/ and rooting the android phones. and I know what I am saying.

    Plus you won't understand the importance of Viper4Android sound tuning until you try it and probably trying my settings. I can share it with you if you decided to root in the future, which I know you won't.

    Xda Is mainly based on customizing things and staying far from OTA and what companies forces us to do and not to do.

    In Regards of Ads, I am talking of system wide Adblocking. not only youtube. the stupid videos that appears on your phone and you have to wait for probably 60 seconds to skip them otherwise you won't be able to use the app that includes them. and Adaway is not comparable to others like non root solutions like adguard

    Plus modifying your phone to your own personal preference is such a joy, people who are very practical won't be a big fan of it.

    Rooting is for power users. people who use their things very heavily. not for people who uses their phones for social media/making phone calls/ taking notes.


    There is no apps that refuse working with root, And I know what I am saying.

    Rooting is made because of companies cutting your OTA Updates after a couple of years, and your phone is still in a mint condition. and still can support higher version of Android. but the companies wants you to buy the latest version of their products. so they will stop giving you OTAs. for example my Oneplus now stopped at android 12. even though this thing with a Derpfest rom is faster than your Galaxy fold 4. with only 8GBs of Ram. and I know what. I am saying.

    Rooting gives you full function to get a google Camera ports on your phone for professional photographers who like to their phone photography to the next level. you don't want to use google camera because Samsung camera are so good? no problem have both. better than sticking only to Samsung camera app.

    So many things If I keep writing we won't end this conversation.
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    Yeah, AFAIK it blows the knox fuse, so anything with personal data from Samsung stops working. That includes pay, wear, health, sec folder etc. Also Google stuff becomes a pain. Probably work around for that, but honestly, doesn't give you anything, and just causes issue, so don't bother
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    Yeah, AFAIK it blows the knox fuse, so anything with personal data from Samsung stops working. That includes pay, wear, health, sec folder etc. Also Google stuff becomes a pain. Probably work around for that, but honestly, doesn't give you anything, and just causes issue, so don't bother
    Totally agree. Rooting a phone in 2022 is as useful as buying a house with an outside toilet. Not many want this feature in their life.
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    i did root my fold 4 because several apps (titanium, Lucky Patcher) i use need root access.
    and LP is so important because i can disable annoying ads in apps.

    banking apps do run great with zygisk in magisk.