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danbest82

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SM-N960U1 128GB internal memory/6GB RAM and actually AT&T sent me the carrier unlocked version. The sleeve of the box even says "Unlocked by Samsung". But it has AT&T logo when booting up.

Been 4 years since I switched phones. Couldn't get Titanium Backup zip file to flash in TWRP, to copy over all my apps + datea.. Said it completed but nothing actually happened. :unsure: Now trying to use Migrate.

Using Samsung Switch, most of the apps came over, but not all. Also none of the data and settings. Hoping Migrate will do the job.
That's great it's carrier unlocked! My S10+ is carrier unlocked but has Verizon boot logo. It's just part of the CSC thing they mention you can flash in Odin but also seems to be linked to the SIM card that's in it nowadays.

I had issues with Titanium doing a proper restore also. I used Migrate and it worked for the most part. What you can try is move all the apps over with Samsung switch or Migrate. I used my same SD card and pointed Titanium to it so that all the apps and data were there, then restore "data only" batch. That worked for me. Seems Titanium has issues restoring APKs on newer versions of Android.
 
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I had issues with Titanium doing a proper restore also. I used Migrate and it worked for the most part. What you can try is move all the apps over with Samsung switch or Migrate. I used my same SD card and pointed Titanium to it so that all the apps and data were there, then restore "data only" batch. That worked for me. Seems Titanium has issues restoring APKs on newer versions of Android.

Titanium isn't abandoned, but it's pretty close. It's certainly not optimized (read: barely functioning) on recent Android builds. I use Swift for my backups now. It's a bit clugey on the interface, but rock solid with backup/restore.
 

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Titanium isn't abandoned, but it's pretty close. It's certainly not optimized (read: barely functioning) on recent Android builds. I use Swift for my backups now. It's a bit clugey on the interface, but rock solid with backup/restore.
Yeah it's pretty much done. I tried OAndBackupX but it's nothing close to TiBu. I'll take a look at Swift. Thanks for the heads up
 
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Titanium isn't abandoned, but it's pretty close. It's certainly not optimized (read: barely functioning) on recent Android builds. I use Swift for my backups now. It's a bit clugey on the interface, but rock solid with backup/restore.




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So, I'm over to the other side now. AT&T gave me a month's warning, then 2 weeks, then day of (but it was really the next day). I waited until the V30+ SIM card gave me error message it was no longer active to put the new SIM card in my Note 9 to activate it.

I'm on the rooted Samsung Galaxy Note 9, which AT&T sent me. Headset jack, stereo speakers, back-of-phone (rear) fingerprint sensor. Still getting used to the bigger size and the weight. Much heavier than my V30+, which to me had the perfect size. (The Note 9 is even heavier than the Galaxy 10+, which I also have on hand but not using.)

Knowing the end was coming, over the past couple of weeks I used trio of methods to get everything over -- Samsung Smart Switch, Swift and Titanium Backup. Samsung Smart Switch was more basic and got most of the apps over. Swift got all the apps over and 99% of the data. Worked quite well. Just a couple of exceptions where it didn't, like my corporate email account data.

I then also copied over entire Titanium Backup folder (the zip file it creates to flash in TWRP didn't work) to my PC and then to my new phone. Trying to copy it over directly while both phones were connected via USB cable wouldn't work for some reason; had to use middle man of my PC Download folder, then on to the new phone. In a couple of cases, I had to then "restore" data for apps from Titanium Backup. I had to completely reinstall Waze as it kept force closing when restored. Lost all my past locations.

I will probably pay for the Swift pro version and use that to make new backups, once I am satisfied everything is set up.

Advanced Power Menu (Noxx developer) doesn't seem to work but Recovery Reboot app does. Yeah, I know you can get to Recovery from Magisk, but I prefer a 1-click shortcut method.

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It's only been a full day, but I miss the V30+. I miss the smart actions of automatically turning off Wi-Fi when I leave the house and turning on when I get back home. I miss the AOD automatically coming on when I lift the phone. On the Samsung, have to either tap the screen to see for 10 seconds or I can leave on all the time. So, I will tap the screen, I guess. :mad: I miss being able to turn OFF the screen with the same rear fingerprint sensor I used to unlock the screen. Instead on the Note 9, I have to tap the power button the on right side to turn off. As a leftie, that means I have to use the other hand for no reason or awkwardly shift the large, heavy phone in my left hand to hit the side button, while not dropping it... On the LG, the power button, display off button, and fingerprint sensor were all-in-one. Design genius.

I found a website with LG V30 alarms, ringtones. There's a couple I used regularly so I downloaded them. I'm not going to restore any old V30+ "system" stuff from Titanium Backup on my Note, for obvious reasons. ;)

I know I will miss the V30+ DAC. The Note 9 screen is big and it's bright, 1440K OLED. Yes, there's a headset jack. Has no notch. I will admit the back-of-phone fingerprint sensor is excellent and opens a split second faster than my V30+ -- but then the Note has more RAM and faster processor. However, except for the loud stereo speakers, there's nothing I see that's better than the V30+, feature wise.

I had the stereo speakers hack on my rooted V30+ so having stereo speakers on Note 9 is not something new -- except it's a native feature, not a hack.

Samsung Galaxy Note 9 has Dolby Atmos while the LG V30 (with root) had DTS:X. But the Note doesn't have the different surround sound profiles like V30 DAC (with DTS:X) had...

OK, one thing that is slightly better about the Note (one thing!) is the headset jack at the bottom of the phone instead of the top. I remember couple of years ago someone in this forum complained incessantly about the headset jack being at the top on the V30+. Now that I've actually plugged in headset on the bottom, yes it is nice not to have the wires poking up at the top when holding the phone.

Bottom line: the Note 9 is merely the best replacement available to me right now, to have most of the features I desire: Android, 1440p, headset jack, wireless charging, IP68 dust/water resistance, bootloader unlocked, rooted. But it's not a perfect replacement.
 
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It's only been a full day, but I miss the V30+. I miss the smart actions of automatically turning off Wi-Fi when I leave the house and turning on when I get back home. I miss the AOD automatically coming on when I lift the phone. On the Samsung, have to either tap the screen to see for 10 seconds or I can leave on all the time. So, I will tap the screen, I guess. :mad: I miss being able to turn off the screen with the same fingerprint sensor I used to unlock the screen. Instead on the Note 9, I have to tap the power button the on right side. As a leftie, that means I have to use the other hand for no reason or awkwardly shift the large phone in my left hand to hit the button, while not dropping it... On the LG, the power button, display off button, and fingerprint sensor were all-in-one. Design genius.

I found a website with LG V30 alarms, ringtones. There's a couple I used regularly so I downloaded them. I'm not going to restore any old V30+ "system" stuff from Titanium Backup on my Note, for obvious reasons. ;)

I know I will miss the V30+ DAC. The Note 9 screen is big and it's bright, 1440K OLED. Yes, there's a headset jack. Has no notch. I will admit the back-of-phone fingerprint sensor is excellent and opens a split second faster than my V30+ -- but then the Note has more RAM and faster processor. However, except for the loud stereo speakers, there's nothing I see that's better than the V30+, feature wise.

The Note 9 is merely the best replacement available to me right now, to have most of the features I desire: Android, 1440p, headset jack, wireless charging, IP68 dust/water resistance, bootloader unlocked, rooted. But it's not a perfect replacement.
The fingerprint sensor on my S10 is absolute trash, rarely works, changes in temp and humidity affect it greatly. Sometimes it works, most times not. I miss having a physical fingerprint button, even if it was on the back of the phone.
 

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So, I'm over to the other side now. AT&T gave me a month's warning, then 2 weeks, then day of (but it was really the next day). I waited until the V30+ SIM card gave me error message it was no longer active to put the new SIM card in my Note 9.

I'm on the rooted Samsung Galaxy Note 9, which AT&T sent me. Headset jack, stereo speakers, back-of-phone fingerprint sensor. Still getting used to the bigger size and the weight. Much heavier than my V30+, which to me had the perfect size. (The Note 9 is even heavier than the Galaxy 10+, which I also have on hand.)

Knowing the end was coming, over the past couple of weeks I used trio of methods to get everything over -- Samsung Switch, Swift and Titanium Backup. Samsung Switch was more basic and got most of the apps over. Swift got all the apps over and 99% of the data. Worked quite well. Just a couple of exceptions where it didn't.

I then also copied over entire Titanium Backup folder (the zip file it creates to flash in TWRP didn't work) to my PC and then to my new phone. Trying to copy it over directly while both were connected via USB cable wouldn't work for some reason; had to use middle man of my PC Download folder, then on to the new phone. In a couple of cases, I had to then "restore" data for apps from Titanium Backup.

I will probably pay for the Swift pro version and use that to make new backups, once I am satisfied everything is set up.

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It's only been a full day, but I miss the V30+. I miss the smart actions of automatically turning off Wi-Fi when I leave the house and turning on when I get back home. I miss the AOD automatically coming on when I lift the phone. On the Samsung, have to either tap the screen to see for 10 seconds or I can leave on all the time. So, I will tap the screen, I guess. :mad: I miss being able to turn off the screen with the same fingerprint sensor I used to unlock the screen. Instead on the Note 9, I have to tap the power button the on right side. As a leftie, that means I have to use the other hand for no reason or awkwardly shift the large phone in my left hand to hit the button, while not dropping it... On the LG, the power button, display off button, and fingerprint sensor were all-in-one. Design genius.

I found a website with LG V30 alarms, ringtones. There's a couple I used regularly so I downloaded them. I'm not going to restore any old V30+ "system" stuff from Titanium Backup on my Note, for obvious reasons. ;)

I know I will miss the V30+ DAC. The Note 9 screen is big and it's bright, 1440K OLED. Yes, there's a headset jack. Has no notch. I will admit the back-of-phone fingerprint sensor is excellent and opens a split second faster than my V30+ -- but then the Note has more RAM and faster processor. However, except for the loud stereo speakers, there's nothing I see that's better than the V30+, feature wise.

The Note 9 is merely the best replacement available to me right now, to have most of the features I desire: Android, 1440p, headset jack, wireless charging, IP68 dust/water resistance, bootloader unlocked, rooted. But it's not a perfect replacement.
Thanks for the update. Glad it all worked out.
 
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danbest82

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The fingerprint sensor on my S10 is absolute trash, rarely works, changes in temp and humidity affect it greatly. Sometimes it works, most times not. I miss having a physical fingerprint button, even if it was on the back of the phone.
I agree. Sometimes I feel like I have to reset it then when I go to use the phone again it works. It's definitely affected by the temp. I miss a dedicated button. Oh well I like everything else about the S10+, i may just disable the fingerprint sensor one day.
 

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I don't agree as much about the fingerprint sensor. It's certainly not as reliable as the V30's was, but it's workable and takes a bit of getting used to. If you press "too hard" it won't recognize. If you don't press hard enough, it won't recognize. Very annoying indeed. I wonder if it would help to teach lighter and harder presses... I don't care at the moment, but could be something for me to try. In the end, it's not great. I will say it was AWFUL with a screen protector in-place. Even the one the ebay seller provided with the special area to "pass through" for the sensor didn't work for crap. Glad I didn't buy that protector. I have none on the phone now, and it's fine (I had one on the V30 at first, but I took it off and it has been fine over the many years... I guess I'm careful enough!)

Note that there is a lift-to-wake option in the settings (for gestures) where the phone can be woken up when you pick it up. It's not the AOD, but it's not bad. I don't use it anymore honestly (just not my preference) but it may work for you?

For powering on the screen, I don't have to press the power button at all - just putting your finger on the fingerprint sensor (and if it unlocks) and you save the extra press. I expect the Note should work the same, but I don't know for sure. Basically, I almost never use the power button because of this... you may not have to either. Again, it takes a bit of getting used to where the sensor is... and it needs to work, of course, haha.

To turn off the screen, I'm using a double-tap gesture. I don't know if the stock launcher supports this, but my Nova Launcher supports it, so I use that all the time as well.

The only other complaint I have is for my wife, actually - she has a habit of using the power button (particularly to turn the display off) and since the volume button is opposite that one, the phone takes a screenshot. She takes screenshots "regularly" this way... and then has to go delete them. I activated the double-tap-off on her phone, and I think that has helped matters... I don't see as many on our shared GPhotos account!
 
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I don't agree as much about the fingerprint sensor. It's certainly not as reliable as the V30's was, but it's workable and takes a bit of getting used to. If you press "too hard" it won't recognize. If you don't press hard enough, it won't recognize. Very annoying indeed. I wonder if it would help to teach lighter and harder presses... I don't care at the moment, but could be something for me to try. In the end, it's not great. I will say it was AWFUL with a screen protector in-place. Even the one the ebay seller provided with the special area to "pass through" for the sensor didn't work for crap. Glad I didn't buy that protector. I have none on the phone now, and it's fine (I had one on the V30 at first, but I took it off and it has been fine over the many years... I guess I'm careful enough!)

Note that there is a lift-to-wake option in the settings (for gestures) where the phone can be woken up when you pick it up. It's not the AOD, but it's not bad. I don't use it anymore honestly (just not my preference) but it may work for you?

For powering on the screen, I don't have to press the power button at all - just putting your finger on the fingerprint sensor (and if it unlocks) and you save the extra press. I expect the Note should work the same, but I don't know for sure. Basically, I almost never use the power button because of this... you may not have to either. Again, it takes a bit of getting used to where the sensor is... and it needs to work, of course, haha.

To turn off the screen, I'm using a double-tap gesture. I don't know if the stock launcher supports this, but my Nova Launcher supports it, so I use that all the time as well.

The only other complaint I have is for my wife, actually - she has a habit of using the power button (particularly to turn the display off) and since the volume button is opposite that one, the phone takes a screenshot. She takes screenshots "regularly" this way... and then has to go delete them. I activated the double-tap-off on her phone, and I think that has helped matters... I don't see as many on our shared GPhotos account!
The "very annoying indeed" part with the fingerprint is exactly what I hate about it. The V30 unlock with fingerprint worked 100% of the time, this one about 50%.

And I also use Nova, how do you get double tap to wake/sleep to work???
 

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The "very annoying indeed" part with the fingerprint is exactly what I hate about it. The V30 unlock with fingerprint worked 100% of the time, this one about 50%.

And I also use Nova, how do you get double tap to wake/sleep to work???
Nova7 (I have Nova-Prime, so maybe you need that, I don't remember - got prime on a free-sale ages ago): Settings / Gestures & Inputs / Double tap - configure that to "screen lock"

Note this appears to be also part of the Samsung stock ROM as well: https://www.samsung.com/au/support/mobile-devices/enable-double-tap-to-turn-off/
 

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Nova7 (I have Nova-Prime, so maybe you need that, I don't remember - got prime on a free-sale ages ago): Settings / Gestures & Inputs / Double tap - configure that to "screen lock"

Note this appears to be also part of the Samsung stock ROM as well: https://www.samsung.com/au/support/mobile-devices/enable-double-tap-to-turn-off/
Thanks! I ultimately found that info and enabled it too. It seems a bit tricky from the home screen though. sometimes I 2x tap it opens whatever app I tapped, sometimes it locks the screen. 2x tap from the lock screen (who needs that though??) works of course.
 

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Yeah, on a busy homescreen, this can be annoying. I usually keep some space open for this purpose (at least one grid location) but you could do more... that way you just have a blank area to turn off from.

Heck, that being said, you could (potentially) use a shortcut/app to do the screen lock for you as well... haha.
 

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Yeah, on a busy homescreen, this can be annoying. I usually keep some space open for this purpose (at least one grid location) but you could do more... that way you just have a blank area to turn off from.

Heck, that being said, you could (potentially) use a shortcut/app to do the screen lock for you as well... haha.
ha yeah 6 of one, half dozen the other I suppose. The V30 I could pretty much tap anywhere (especially the notification bar) to sleep it. Upgrade hell.
 

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Note that there is a lift-to-wake option in the settings (for gestures) where the phone can be woken up when you pick it up. It's not the AOD, but it's not bad. I don't use it anymore honestly (just not my preference) but it may work for you?

To turn off the screen, I'm using a double-tap gesture. I don't know if the stock launcher supports this, but my Nova Launcher supports it, so I use that all the time as well.

Thanks! I went looking and found the Gestures in the Note 9 setting to turn on display when picking up. That works for me. I just use it to see the time or quick glance at notifications. That's what I used AOD for on the V30, without unlocking the screen. On the Note 9, to actually turn on and unlock the screen I just use the rear fingerprint sensor, which works quite well.

I double tapped the screen to turn off (lock the device) and the Nova permission request came up. I went to Accessibility and allowed it. It's a little easier than hitting the side power button with my off hand. I still miss the LG V30 rear display off button. Muscle memory from 4 years is so ingrained. I keep hitting the rear fingerprint sensor of the Note 9 and then remember, duh.

I just edited my XDA signature to include the new phone. I really haven't even looked at the Note 9 forum. I did look through the S10+ forum back when I planned to use that phone. But even though I'm on the correct bootloader version, the S10+ "steady partition is passive" -- which happens to some people. Luckily the Note 9 AT&T sent me was easily bootloader unlocked and rooted.
 
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I double tapped the screen to turn off (lock the device) and the Nova permission request came up. I went to Accessibility and allowed it. It's a little easier than hitting the side power button with my off hand. I still miss the LG V30 rear display off button. Muscle memory from 4 years is so ingrained. I keep hitting the rear fingerprint sensor of the Note 9 and then remember, duh.
If you want to use GravityBox, there is an option to set up a fingerprint sensor option. Screenshot_20211203-094918_GravityBox [R].png
I haven't tried it myself since I have the on-screen sensor but it may work for you. I use GravityBox for navigation keys customizing.
 
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If you want to use GravityBox, there is an option to set up a fingerprint sensor option. View attachment 5473891
I haven't tried it myself since I have the on-screen sensor but it may work for you. I use GravityBox for navigation keys customizing.
I tried GB again and it was a big old nope! It messed up my phone so bad I couldn't deal with it anymore. Slow downs, weird screen issues, no thanks.
 

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    Sorry did you ever say where you purchased your S10+? I was going to buy from Amazon Renewed, but the seller never responded to my request for Build#.

    And how was your bootloader unlock experience?
    I bought mine from Bobcat_wireless on ebay "open box". They have a no questions asked return policy from what I see and experienced. I sent a s10 back after an accidental purchase. So I figure if you get one with the wrong version, you can send it back.

    BL Unlock was simple and afaneh92 was easy to work with. Give him your DID number from download mode, he'll get back to you with a token that you flash with a modded Odin. It was pretty easy. Once unlocked, there's an "all on one" file here on XDA to flash in Odin which installs TWRP, magisk and fixes safetynet.
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    My v30's display and back glass got cracked at the corners.
    Fingerprint also stopped working.
    But I'm so appalled by the so called "flagship" phones' lack of features that I'm going to stick with V30 until it falls apart.
    My love for V30 is also playing a part in the decision I guess.
    But personally it makes no sense to spend a lot of money to get a Phone without SD card, headphone jack and root
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    @ChazzMatt and really everybody, why has the V50 not been considered? Seems to check all the same boxes (external SD, 1440p, qi charging, headphone port). It's on sale today for $260 here: https://ebay.to/2Z1Wydl

    Also it appears to be bl unlockable here:
    and

    What am I missing??

    Hmmm.... This is very new development. Late January 2021. I didn't know about it, but then I have two new children. :)

    But until now, all the non-European V50 (Korean, U.S. Sprint) could only get some kind of temp root, not permanent root. (Euro V50 of course has official LG bootloader unlock.)

    With this new development for people using T-Mobile (Sprint), with the Sprint V50 seems (since it was a "Sprint" branded phone) they would have VoLTE/VoWiFi) if they stay on rooted stock firmware. AT&T people would probably be out of luck. AT&T users have a year until HSPA shuts down.

    Sprint V50 does have LTE band 13 so should work with Verizon SIM card. Curious about Verizon VoLTE with an already-activated Verizon SIM card.

    The root guide says Android 10 is required, so you would have to buy one with that already installed since Sprint didn't release public KDZ. Sprint (now T-mobile) wouldn't allow updates unless you had their SIM card installed. This was why non-Sprint owners of LS998 had to Frankenstein to US998 even before the WTF exploit was created. Frankenstein was to 1) carrier unlock and 2) help users update to newer KDZ firmware.

    I see those on eBay are already carrier-unlocked, but you would need to make sure they have Android 10 installed...

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    You don't have to switch/upgrade a phone just because it's old. If it still meets your basic requirements and functions on a high level, don't buy into the hype. Seems like your only issue with the V30 is the battery capacity over time, which is every battery ever. That's why I bought another relatively unused V30!

    For the record, I just looked in Magisk and I have 15 apps with root access. There's no way I replace those all with non-root apps, no way.
    Oh don't worry, I don't upgrade for the sake of upgrading... not my style. I still have my VERY old desktop computer that runs an old Athlon X2 CPU that I use for computer repair and data recovery purposes.

    Battery is the issue... as you mentioned, they wear out. I could consider another V30, but I'd also like more RAM and performance/efficiency, particularly for my wife who really uses her V30 hard. She's on it constantly and the "2 day" battery never lasted that long for her, and it's down to like half a day for her.

    Maybe that's the trick - I stay on the V30 and get her a new battery via new phone. Her Magisk only has TiBu, and she doesn't even use that app (I use it when I'm working on her phone). My phone adds Tasker, but I don't know that I need it to have root. Hence my direction that maybe I don't need root after all...

    So, again, it looks like I may not "need" root... as much as I'd prefer the principle of having it...

    Again, if people have other devices to recommend, bring it on...
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    My v30's display and back glass got cracked at the corners.
    Fingerprint also stopped working.
    But I'm so appalled by the so called "flagship" phones' lack of features that I'm going to stick with V30 until it falls apart.
    My love for V30 is also playing a part in the decision I guess.
    But personally it makes no sense to spend a lot of money to get a Phone without SD card, headphone jack and root

    Well, unfortunately i broke mine too. It was a stupid accident. The glass panel is cracked at the very rounded edge of the assembly, a deep crack million pieces held by screen guard. The display took a hit at the lowest it shows white lines (not a big deal). The screen protector is a that water based one which is holding it well. The display doesn't flex still thankfully, however the crack is bad. Over the time it will definitely have some impact... Until then I'm not going to move to any other phone.

    Once it dies off, going to pay for the display repair and other servicing at LG repair and get a new battery and make this into a full rooted Oreo DAP without any SIM usage it will run for 10 years for sure If I just keep it topped off at Charging and then maybe even request LG to ship me a battery if possible. There are so many DAP reviews at Head Fi and YT. They have garbage OS / Stupid form factors / extremely underpowered chipsets / no root no mods nothing fun and more.. LG phones are to be honest Class A DAPs which have no rivals in the industry.

    So just to discuss the landscape...for many of us folks.

    - root with BL unlock
    - no hole no notch, no display mutilation.
    - 3.5mm jack (not much important now because this phone will be used as a DAP and I have an old iPod with modded Firmware and SD flash modded, uses a solid Wolfson DAC)
    - SD card slot (more important than 3.5mm jack for me since this phone is going to be a DAP, Sd slot is must because I cannot rely on a storage which locks behind a display what if the display is cracked and I cannot access anything personal ?)

    And I cannot find a phone ... how low Android has fallen in both Software and Hardware, it's just sad.

    - Samsung phones had them but no more, and US versions no BL unlock, Exynos is a mess (S10 is good, but the Samsung policy of repair is bad and LTE in US is broken due that that regional differences)
    - Sony phones have them still and new Xperia 1 Mark III is about to be announced with 3.5mm jack and SD slot and that useless 4K OLED at $1200+ and bonus DRM keys wiped for Bravia engine, and Sound processing for unlocking BL. Even If I take hit, the price is too much, which killed the XDA scene due to obscene pricing. They could have sold them at low prices with BF and Chrismas / New Year deals but they are not doing it. Utter damn shame.
    - LG, since we all know about this company's fate now (so many reorgs, no BL unlocks, bad software - I love v30 UX esp Oreo one. Because it just works no BS but after V30 they changed whole camera UI and copied Samsung ugly pill design One UI garbage and what not... now they are closing shop ??)
    - ASUS ditched with Zenfone 7 for 3.5mm jack and that motorized camera is improved with this which is superb for no notch/hole but I don't want it tbh and loss of IP rating on top their ZF7 didn't even launch in US plus it lacks US bands I guess.
    - OnePlus, overpriced and heavily markted garbage with no basic features but has solid custom ROM community, which is a great niche bonus which all phones lack now.
    - Motorola phones ? I remember during Moto X days while Nexus 6 was in prime and before selling to Lenovo by Google, not sure if they have any good phones now..

    (ignored display resolution downgrades because HW is more important sadly now.)

    I was checking the Pixel 4a forums, there is no guide for basics on A/B slotting BS I remember that from a long time how bad it is, people are asking if the TWRP even works with no dev response. Horrible state of Pixel phones, what the actual fk really and on top Telegram channels and other BS instead of discussing here on forums FFS. Nexus phones were supreme in this aspect, I owned Galaxy Nexus, it was a breeze to flash and unlock. I really miss those days.

    Does it even make sense for updates guys ? What is that you crave for in the new Android 9 and up ? I saw WiFiman won't work on Pie, that's just one.., Just look at Android 10+ the atrocious recents is really useless, they put horizontal cards that to not even stacked, so basically you won't know which apps are running and how to fast switch since it's gestures. The buttons are optional thankfully which is ofc superior.

    Security updates, yes they are very important but honestly I have been running rooted Android and Windows machines with 7 and 8.1 with no updates yes I can update, but I don't bother since I know what I'm doing so unfortunately this doesn't apply to all since many will click on bad pages, bad browsing habits, poor add-on / extensions utilization etc. So sec updates matter but sadly no OEM nor Google, nor the chipset maker care, because this market is the biggest rip off.

    SAF hits very hard on top. Scoped Storage just killed everything that Android had, for eg - Kiwi Browser, I downloaded an image / pdf. I cannot see it under normal folder structure because it downloads to its own folder. Now there's one Pixel example, Pixel recorder, it has all the recordings but when you go to storage, with files default bs app, you cannot see it because Scoped Storage, one must "Share" through that app's menu to other apps, you know where this happens ? iOS. It's exact same. So basically Android is castrated hard at the basic level - Filesystem. You know which one shares the same disaster ? UWP, Windows 10 DRM. That Xbox Games as a Service bs uses it too, nothing is accessible to user no mods, no tweaks nothing. Any game the overlays won't work - FPS info, HW info and tools like MSI AB / HWInfo / Rivatuner etc. All inspired by control freaks at Apple corp.

    Now when I looked at phones to buy all I see are hole/notched garbage phones without SD slots, no 3.5mm jacks, broken filesystem with high performance hit on top due to the SAF API. I even said bye to Xposed since Rovo went offline, because I didn't want extra battery drain on this phone (and the stupid 2FA garbage checks, luckily I backed up those apps which work an update to them will render the 2FA broke), but now to give up storage also ? I refuse to play along this stupid game now. Android as a pocket computer is dead. It's just a glorified iOS alternative for Social Media BS nothing more, for instance this phone has USB to Video out, I highly doubt any new phone has it, maybe Sony. HTC, LG, Samsung used to do in the past & that's a niche feature but it's now lacking basic things.

    So I refuse to spend a lot of money for these replaceable garbage consumerism products, $1000 phone value depreciation under 1 year is 40% hit with Android market, and that's a lot of money loss for absolutely 2 years of max lifespan due to Li Ion battery cells. It's really waste of money. I still have to rely on a phone because of Office work due to the stupid 2FA and I need to use banking apps since we all rely on the go computing.. for now I'm fine because WFH.

    And I absolutely agree that LG Dev team really on purpose put this exploit. This dev team is probably that last folks which handled the Software and HW so well, apparently some are still there that's how LG still packs a lot in a phone but the days are numbered for them.

    Tell me if anyone has any ideas...just my opinion/rant maybe. I could only share with my V30 family here.