Who plans on getting a Z Fold 2?

BarryH_GEG

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I wanted the brown leather and wanted it before the phone came. I ended up getting it from the UK and it arrived two days ago. Why can't Samsung ever get accessories out at the same time as the new devices they are for? I've had a Tab S7+ 5G for two weeks and keyboards worldwide are like hens teeth. Bands for the Watch 3 are just as scarce.

Dome has a protector for the Fold 2 and it's 20% off if anyone's interested. Dome's products are a PIA with in-display fingerprint sensors but that's not something we need to worry about. With the back covered by a case and the front protected with a glass screen protector the only possible damage is to the sides and hinge. The latter were incredibly durable on the OG Fold so I'm hoping for the same on the Fold 2.

https://www.whitestonedome.com/products/galaxy-z-fold2-dome-glass-tempered-glass-screen-protector
 

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I wanted the brown leather and wanted it before the phone came. I ended up getting it from the UK and it arrived two days ago. Why can't Samsung ever get accessories out at the same time as the new devices they are for? I've had a Tab S7+ 5G for two weeks and keyboards worldwide are like hens teeth. Bands for the Watch 3 are just as scarce.



Dome has a protector for the Fold 2 and it's 20% off if anyone's interested. Dome's products are a PIA with in-display fingerprint sensors but that's not something we need to worry about. With the back covered by a case and the front protected with a glass screen protector the only possible damage is to the sides and hinge. The latter were incredibly durable on the OG Fold so I'm hoping for the same on the Fold 2.



https://www.whitestonedome.com/products/galaxy-z-fold2-dome-glass-tempered-glass-screen-protector
I hear ya... You would think the cases are stock and ready to go... and crazy .. how ya liking the S7 ? I've not decided yet if I want to upgrade the front protection... I've been eyeing some other cases not coming out till Oct and later from Spigen ...
 

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I asked the durability question on the OG section and while the responses were few they all said the phone held up fine. I've watched about every review it there for this thing and a number of reviewers said the same. None said it crapped out on them. What I infer from that is the improved version we're focusing on here is probably going to be acceptable with moderate care.

As to value that is relative to wealth rather than an absolute and can only be quantified in a subjective context. On the Corvette forum Porsche is overpriced and the value is not there, on the Porsche forum a Corvette is sub par but Ferrari is overpriced and the value is not there, it's all relative to wealth. The t-shirt is often used as an analogy: When you've just entered the work force the price may matter so much as to guide a buying decision because you don't have many dimes to rub together. Later down the road you might scowl at the price of the shirt but your buying it anyways, you can afford it. Later on you don't even look at the price, it doesn't have any meaning relative to your wealth.

Having said all that when someone can show me a folding phone of this form factor that's a better value I'll be all ears; right now it's a matter of whether you can afford to pay the game.
I think it's poorly executed and it's claim fame is OLED spread out like a napkin.
Where's the beef? At that price? Nuts.
Holding it looks like a mess; I go tad form factor bigger than a 20U but don't want a flopping fish.
Doesn't even have the slick perfectly tensioned hinges of the new MS mini foldable computer (MS is sensible enough not to call it a phone).

Samsung's getting more fragmented and their flagship phones are getting real expensive but skimping on the beef.
This latest offering is one of their worst.
No SD card, hell it should have two, a spen, 12 gb ram, and 500 gb internal... 2 tb of expandable memory be more like it.
Samsung deserves to catch hell for this half thought out, half baked prototype.
You don't reward rabid gerbils for bad behavior...
 

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I think it's poorly executed... snip...
I'm old, have made a good living, and I've owned a lot of toys; I regret none of them. It doesn't sound like this phone is for you which is fair enough; I suspect you're going to have a hard time finding something that fills out your list at any price but I wish you luck with it.
 
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I think it's poorly executed and it's claim fame is OLED spread out like a napkin.
Where's the beef? At that price? Nuts.
Holding it looks like a mess; I go tad form factor bigger than a 20U but don't want a flopping fish.
Doesn't even have the slick perfectly tensioned hinges of the new MS mini foldable computer (MS is sensible enough not to call it a phone).

Samsung's getting more fragmented and their flagship phones are getting real expensive but skimping on the beef.
This latest offering is one of their worst.
No SD card, hell it should have two, a spen, 12 gb ram, and 500 gb internal... 2 tb of expandable memory be more like it.
Samsung deserves to catch hell for this half thought out, half baked prototype.
You don't reward rabid gerbils for bad behavior...

You really don't understand the technology if you think this 2nd gen device should accommodate an S-Pen. Samsung have spent years getting to this point where a foldable display is possible and this iteration is only 18 months since the launch of the original Fold. They have done a great job considering the hurdles they've had to jump.

They are still advising to be careful using your fingernails on the screen, so an S-Pen is certainly out of the question. I think eventually they'll have the technology but it's still very early days for foldables.

The Microsoft Surface Duo is a totally different type of device. It has two separate screens (hence a less complex hinge) and MS have stated categorically it's not a phone, it's a surface tablet. Reviews of which are a thumbs down, stating it's clearly a prototype right now with many flaws.

As another commentator said, this device is not for people like you, it doesn't mean it's not the perfect device for the rest of us.
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You really don't understand the technology if you think this 2nd gen device should accommodate an S-Pen. Samsung have spent years getting to this point where a foldable display is possible and this iteration is only 18 months since the launch of the original Fold. They have done a great job considering the hurdles they've had to jump.

They are still advising to be careful using your fingernails on the screen, so an S-Pen is certainly out of the question. I think eventually they'll have the technology but it's still very early days for foldables.

The Microsoft Surface Duo is a totally different type of device. It has two separate screens (hence a less complex hinge) and MS have stated categorically it's not a phone, it's a surface tablet. Reviews of which are a thumbs down, stating it's clearly a prototype right now with many flaws.

As another commentator said, this device is not for people like you, it doesn't mean it's not the perfect device for the rest of us.
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I do understand the technology and this is a very expensive prototype at best.
Lol, it has conformal coating for it's "waterproofing", hilarious.
 

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You don't.
Weakest retort I've seen in months. Happy?
Yes, well please permit me to retort to that...

Instead of pushing out half baked overpriced tech junk and fragmenting themselves to hell Samsung should have used those resources to refine their bread winners more and slam in better features and chipsets.
To debug the damn firmware and software in the flagship phones instead of wasting those resources on the Titanic Foldable.

They screwed up on both the N 10+ and 20 U; they weren't as refined or featured/tech packed as they could of, should have been. Including skimping on a better bt chipset in the N10+, chintzy.
Poor leadership/management skills from the box of rabid gerbils, Samsung.
It hurts because it's true...
 

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Weakest retort I've seen in months. Happy?
Yes, well please permit me to retort to that...

Instead of pushing out half baked overpriced tech junk and fragmenting themselves to hell Samsung should have used those resources to refine their bread winners more and slam in better features and chipsets.
To debug the damn firmware and software in the flagship phones instead of wasting those resources on the Titanic Foldable.

They screwed up on both the N 10+ and 20 U; they weren't as refined or featured/tech packed as they could of, should have been. Including skimping on a better bt chipset in the N10+, chintzy.
Poor leadership/management skills from the box of rabid gerbils, Samsung.
It hurts because it's true...
I guess I was matching your last reply.

Problem is you are ranting.

I put effort into explaining why I believe you don't really know what you are talking about, because if you did you would understand the current limitations of foldable displays.

Then claiming Samsung push out half baked overpriced tech junk...

Well, that's where we part ways mate.
 

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I guess I was matching your last reply.

Problem is you are ranting.

I put effort into explaining why I believe you don't really know what you are talking about, because if you did you would understand the current limitations of foldable displays.

Then claiming Samsung push out half baked overpriced tech junk...

Well, that's where we part ways mate.
It's a mess compared to the MS offering and seeing it's diverting needed resources from Samsung's Flapship phones it's valid criticism that I enjoy giving.

One thing I've noticed about the S. Korean's at Samsung is they don't handle criticism well... at all.
You be a perfect shoe in.
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I rest my case... straight from the horse's mouth:

"On the absence of the S Pen on the Galaxy Z Fold 2, which launches next month, the VP said that Samsung is aware of the strong consumer demand to add a stylus to the foldable phone, but wanted to get the foldable experience down first. "
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zd...the-most-complete-s-pen-to-date-samsung-says/
 
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The problem is your criticism is not based on reasonable expectations and you're always going to face some backlash when you trot out so many logical fallacies in your arguments. You say the phone lacks what it should have and it's quite a laundry list. You complain about, or if you prefer, criticize, the cost. But when I look at it objectively I can't see any more feature rich foldable phone. None. I can point to no less expensive foldable phone of this form factor; not just with the same feature set but with feature set no matter how lackluster. There is literally none that are more feature rich and better built at any price and none that cost less.

This, what you see here, is the best that can be had today. What you think of it or what you think it lacks doesn't change that, nor does the pricing or your opinion of it's value or whether you can afford it. If you want to play with a foldable phone today this is it and like the rest of us you either choose to buy in or not. My suggestion would be to move on because until you can point to something better this is it, if it's not for you your wasting your time here.

I'm going to give you the last word on this because you're starting to appear to me like you might be one of those "winning the internet one post at a time" types and I don't have that need. I will read your response and give it due consideration but I don't have anything else to add.
 
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The problem is your criticism is not based on reasonable expectations and you're always going to face some backlash when you trot out so many logical fallacies in your arguments. You say the phone lacks what it should have and it's quite a laundry list. You complain about, or if you prefer, criticize, the cost. But when I look at it objectively I can't see any more feature rich foldable phone. None. I can point to no less expensive foldable phone of this form factor; not just with the same feature set but with feature set no matter how lackluster. There is literally none that are more feature rich and better built at any price and none that cost less.

This, what you see here, is the best that can be had today. What you think of it or what you think it lacks doesn't change that, nor does the pricing or your opinion of it's value or whether you can afford it. If you want to play with a foldable phone today this is it and like the rest of us you either choose to buy in or not. My suggestion would be to move on because until you can point to something better this is it, if it's not for you your wasting your time here.

I'm going to give you the last word on this because you're starting to appear to me like you might be one of those "winning the internet one post at a time" types and I don't have that need. I will read your response and give it due consideration but I don't have anything else to add.
I see you conveniently orphaned my post on the other page... my name is blackhawk if that's who you're addressing.
I read a lot. Was learning about the N 20U's spen upgrade when I ran across that reason why the Z Fold has no spen. It was a timely discovery rather than brinkmanship but whatever... I'm going run with it.

Last word? OK.
Amazing. If Canon release a it's most high dollar pro cam as an incomplete prototype like this, they be shredded alive and rightfully so.
Compared to the Note 20 U all this phone offers is a huge screen at the cost of usability and survivability.
No expandable memory and even worse no 512 gb internal memory.
The Note 20 U beats the Fold Z hands down.
Even so I don't see enough reasons to upgrade from the N 10+ to the 20 U. The biggest reason is because Samsung unwisely failed to focus their resources on their bread winners. The Fold Z should never have gone into production yet... in my opinion.
End result weaker flagship Note sales because many like myself can wait a year or two more especially during this economic slump couple with the slow 5G roll out.
 
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The Samsung breadwinner is the Galaxy S series. Note and Fold lines are niche. Honestly, given the limited advancement of Note 10 and 20, Samsung should just sell the Note brand to Microsoft where it can become the Surface Phone.
 

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The problem is your criticism is not based on reasonable expectations and you're always going to face some backlash when you trot out so many logical fallacies in your arguments. You say the phone lacks what it should have and it's quite a laundry list. You complain about, or if you prefer, criticize, the cost. But when I look at it objectively I can't see any more feature rich foldable phone. None. I can point to no less expensive foldable phone of this form factor; not just with the same feature set but with feature set no matter how lackluster. There is literally none that are more feature rich and better built at any price and none that cost less.

This, what you see here, is the best that can be had today. What you think of it or what you think it lacks doesn't change that, nor does the pricing or your opinion of it's value or whether you can afford it. If you want to play with a foldable phone today this is it and like the rest of us you either choose to buy in or not. My suggestion would be to move on because until you can point to something better this is it, if it's not for you your wasting your time here.

I'm going to give you the last word on this because you're starting to appear to me like you might be one of those "winning the internet one post at a time" types and I don't have that need. I will read your response and give it due consideration but I don't have anything else to add.
I also tried to explain to him, but I was met with the same irrational and illogical rhetoric. I am not sure why he's even here, especially as he praised the Microsoft Surface Duo so much, I mean did he even watch any of the reviews for that on YouTube? If ever there was a prototype/beta device that one is top of the list.

Sadly we do live in a world of comment trolling instead of healthy debate. Having been a member here for 15 years it seems to be getting a whole lot worse.
 

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Whatever his motivations are and despite the many fallacies in the arguments he put forward he's not wrong about one thing; this is probably a bad choice for a lot of people. Agree that debate used to be more civil in all avenues of discourse and most certainly, online forums. It's an interesting subject/question but probably a little off topic? :)