Why can't I let go of my Moto?

[themagpieswarble]

/|\ This, exactly. Over and over. I must have said to myself 100 times, "if only I could upgrade the processor like on my computer."

The LG 6Q could be interesting. I'm not sure about that funky screen resolution though, and I've never been a fan of LG. I want to see it's exact specs and dimensions. If it looks good I will still keep it in mind and I'll watch to see how it does in its first year. The articles I read said that it will have a 5.4" screen in the body of a phone that would normally fit a 5 or 5.1" screen and that it may have the same processor as the LG 6. Processor speed in a small package is a large part of the formula (for us), but it has to have some kind of magic aside from that. Things like root, an unlocked bootloader, and either a near AOSP stock rom, or good custom rom support are important too.

I actually went to BestBuy specifically to compare the new Moto Z to my 2014 Moto X. I wanted to make sure that the Moto Display still worked the same and see how much bigger the Z is. The added features of the new Moto Display are neat but didn't interest me all that much. I'm just glad that they didn't make it like the Ambient Display app. Even with my Moto X in its case, the naked Moto Z was still bigger. If they sold the dual sim version here in the US, I'd be tempted to buy one. But I know I'd be annoyed having an even larger plank in my pocket.

If Lenovo would only make one of them a little smaller, I just might be on board to buy a new one. There's hope because the new Moto G5 (non plus) comes with a 5" screen. Though it still has a bigger frame than the 2014 Moto X, it's a step away from 5.5" everything. I think they realized that you don't have to have the biggest screen to be competitive. The hugely successful Galaxy S6 and S7 with their 5.1" screens proved this. (Not to mention all of the non-plus iPhones with 4.7 inch screens, or smaller.)

I hope it will be like @Colfax.miller says, that someone will eventually make a phone that we're enamored with. However, the last phone that I was this taken with was another Motorola... the V70. I really don't want to wait that long.

Haha yep. I've had a small hope that someone on xda forums would have figured a way to somehow upgrade the components of the Moto X 2013/2014. But, I imagine smartphones really just don't work like that.

Yeah, the LG G6 Mini form factor sounds really great. But, I'm not really stoked about the rest of the LG deal. Nothing very exciting about it.

I'll have to go to Best Buy sometime and try out a bunch of the new Motos. What Moto phones did they have in stock besides the Moto Z?

I'm keeping a small sliver of hope up for the Moto presentation at the end of the month. Maybe the Moto X will surprise us.. or maybe the Moto Z might make sense? I'd love to have a smaller/lighter phone than the Pixel XL I'm borrowing right now. It's an amazing phone but it's just so big and heavy. And I miss those Moto features of course.

Well, let's stay in touch via this thread as new Moto phones get announced eh? Us Moto Zealots need to stick together

 

[themagpieswarble]

@DrvLikHell I did some nerdy research and measured the Moto X4 rendering in Photoshop. It looks like the Top and Bottom Bezel measurements of the Moto X4 is:

1.37 cm Top
1.34 cm Bottom

Compared to the Moto X2 (2014):

1.3 cm Top
1.0 cm Bottom

That's a total height difference of .41 cm. So, definitely a little taller... not bad. I'm curious if these bezels are smaller than the Moto G5 and Moto Z2 Play.

 

[DrvLikHell]

@themagpieswarble You must be pretty good at Photoshop. I sure couldn't figure out measurements from a photo, and I'm a pretty big geek.

I'm not sure if BestBuy had any other Motorola phones. The Moto Z had its own little display from Verizon with the regular Z, the Z Play (I think), and the Z Force Droid, or whatever they're calling the bigger one that's only available from Verizon. I'll probably swing by again once they get the new phones in for another comparison. Although don't count on them having the models we're interested in. Currently, they only carry the G5 Plus and not the regular G5 . To the credit of the G5 Plus, it's got a 5.2" screen and 600 series Snapdragon vs the 5" and 400 series in the non-plus, yet it's only 1mm wider and 6mm taller than the non-plus. Big head scratch on why it needs to be over half a cm taller with only a very slightly taller screen. If we're talking pure dimensions, I don't think we're going to get away from having to deal with a taller phone since Lenovo decided to stick a home button on all Motos now. The G4 non-plus was the last Moto sans home button.

If the Moto X4 is 41mm taller than the X2 then it looks like it'll be about the same size as the G5 non-plus.
Here are some quick numbers for comparison according to GSMArena.

Moto X 2014 (SD 801)
140.8 x 72.4 x 10 mm (5.54 x 2.85 x 0.39 in)
Moto G5 (SD 430)
144.3 x 73 x 9.5 mm (5.68 x 2.87 x 0.37 in)
Moto G5 Plus (SD 625)
150.2 x 74 x 7.7 mm (5.91 x 2.91 x 0.30 in)
Moto Z (SD 820)
153.3 x 75.3 x 5.2 mm (6.04 x 2.96 x 0.20 in)
Pixel XL (SD 821)
154.7 x 75.7 x 8.5 mm (6.09 x 2.98 x 0.33 in)
Pixel (SD 821)
143.8 x 69.5 x 8.5 mm (5.66 x 2.74 x 0.33 in)
Galaxy S7 (Exynos 8890 [SD 820 S7s are severely locked, so not an option])
142.4 x 69.6 x 7.9 mm (5.61 x 2.74 x 0.31 in)
Galaxy S8 (Xynos 8895)
148.9 x 68.1 x 8 mm (5.86 x 2.68 x 0.31 in)

As you can see, your borrowed Pixel is nearly identical in size to the standard Moto Z, except for the thickness. It's also nearly identical in cpu, ram, ppi, memory, etc. The regular Pixel has nearly the exact same footprint as the S7, which is slightly taller and slightly narrower than the 2014 Moto X. If, and a big IF, the Moto X4 comes with the same dimensions as the regular Pixel and the S7 then it could be tops on my radar. Not perfect, but possibly a worthy upgrade even though it will only have a 600 series Snapdragon processor. Most leaked info suggest it will be the 630 chip, but that's awfully close to the Moto G5 Plus which has a 625. My bet is on the 660 chip to bring it slightly upmarket from the G5 Plus, which itself is a rebadged and slightly shrunken Moto Z Play, spec-wise.

We can forget about a phone close to the size of the original Moto X unless you want a Sony:
Moto X 2013 (SD S4 Pro)
129.3 x 65.3 x 10.4 mm (5.09 x 2.57 x 0.41 in)
Xperia Z5 Compact (SD 810)
127 x 65 x 8.9 mm (5.0 x 2.56 x 0.35 in)
Xperia X Compact (SD 650)
129 x 65 x 9.5 mm (5.08 x 2.56 x 0.37 in)

This is where I'm stumped. The 2014 Moto X is actually bigger than I'd like, so anything even bigger is unappealing. Taller would be alright for handling, but not good for in the pocket. And I really don't want to do without Moto Display. I gave up a Galaxy S7 at an absurdly low price (and I mean stupid low) because the always on display couldn't hold a candle to Moto Display. Maybe slightly regretting that decision now, but I'm a phone nut and I want everything I want in one phone.

Btw, my dream phone specs would be,

2013 Moto X body
Made out of some insanely durable exotic material like chromoly infused with teflon, carbon and titanium
Snapdragon 885 or Exynos 8895 processor
Unlockable bootloader
1440 x 2560 in a sub 5-inch display (that would make omg ppi)
4000 mAh battery
Waterproof IP69 and MIL-STD-801G
Headphone jack
SD card slot (sorta optional)
Dual SIM
Qi wireless charging (why doesn't EVERY phone have this?!?!)

 

[themagpieswarble]

So you basically have to decide between a big phone with Moto Actions and a small phone without Moto Actions.

Moto will not make a small phone like the 2013 X anymore. Smallest is the 5" Moto E or C or G or whatever it is. And then you're still not as small as the 2013 and nowhere near premium specs.

Such a bad position to be in. So what do you give up first, body size or Moto Actions?

http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/0...-1080p-display-metal-build-dual-rear-cameras/

Oh good another 5.5"er from Moto.

 

[DrvLikHell]

I could get on fine without all of the Moto Actions except for Moto Display. All day at work I get notifications and I just touch the phone, see what it is, and usually swipe it away to deal with it later. It's crazy, what Motorola can do with one action, every other phone requires four actions. It's so convenient while at work, while driving, every time I take it out of my pocket... It would be hard to live without it.

I already gave up a Galaxy S7 because I didn't want to live without Moto Display, so I guess I'll give on size... But only to a point. Right now the Moto G5 Plus is pretty close in size to the 2014 Moto X. It's about 1.5mm wider which would be nearly imperceptible. It's also a full 1cm taller, but I can live with taller. Unfortunately, the Snapdragon 625 processor in the G5 Plus is only very slightly faster than the 801 in the 2014 Moto X, and generally only in heavily multi-threaded applications. To me, the difference is so small it's negligible and I would not consider the G5 Plus an upgrade, but a step sideways. Even the 810 in the Galaxy S6 and Z5 Compact will easily outrun the 625. If the Moto X4 comes with a Snapdragon 630 it will not be enough of an upgrade for me to consider. If it comes with a 660, then I'll have to see how that compares against the 810 and 820. Otherwise, the only hope is a decently sized Moto Z2 something. If those are still too big... I dunno man.

It sucks even more because if I did decide to give up Moto Display in favor of a small phone, even the Sony Xperia X Compact uses a Snapdragon 650 which is, again, only negligibly faster than the 810 in the previous years Z5 Compact. So really the decision is a big phone with Moto Actions, or a medium sized phone without Moto Actions, because there is currently no small phone with top tier specs.

Oh, and this got released today:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_q6_hits_geekbench_to_run_snapdragon_430_chipset-news-26069.php

@Polishpolisher sorry to squash your hopes man.

Turns out the LG G6 mini, aka LG Q6 will have an entry-level Snapdragon 430. According to the specs on that page, the 2014 Moto X will out run it with no problem. The 2014 Moto X gets an even 1000 on single core performance and 2430 on multicore performance in Geekbench 4 where the Q6 gets 622 and 1777. Even the little 2013 Moto X gets 714 and 1138 on that benchmark. At least the Moto G5 Plus gets 828 and 4079. As a note, even though 4097 score for the G5 Plus looks huge against 2430 for the Moto X, in real world usage it doesn't feel like that big of a difference because you have to be using an app that can use stress all the cores of the G5 Plus. Otherwise the Moto X does very well at staying only just behind because it's four cores are clocked 25% faster.

I guess, if Lenovo can't cough up something that's got top tier specs and doesn't feel like a paperback book in my pocket, I'd probably go with a Exynos powered S7 and hope that somewhere down the line someone will figure out how to add some interaction to the always on display. If you were wondering, the S7 with the Exynos 8890 chip scores 1801 and 5239 on Geekbench 4. At least that's about double my Moto.

In hindsight, after typing all this, at least it's good to know that the 2014 Moto X is still a viable phone since it can easily outrun brand new phones with entry level processors, and it stays on the heels of new phones with midrange processors. Not bad for a phone that can be had for about $100 on the secondhand market.

 

[themagpieswarble]

Ugh bummer about the G6 mini. Classic move. Make a compact version of a flagship and kill the specs.

Yeah as I get used to the size of the pixel XL more and more I think I could get used to the Moto z or z play. Maybe one day they'll make a good compact Moto phone.

Even though the 2014 X processor holds up to current mid-range phones, it sure feels sluggish compared to new phones. Not sure if that's a ram or software thing but my 2014 Moto x starts to chug (Google play music especially) once ive loaded it up with pictures and music and apps.

I'll wait and see what gets announced on the 25th by Lenovo and decide.

 

[themagpieswarble]

Here's the G6 Mini:

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/7/11/15951780/lg-q6-specs-pricing-release-date

Man if that chipset wasn't downgraded so harshly, that would be a sweet little "compact" phone. Also, not really a fan of the LG brand/ecosystem. Known for its bootlooping and such. Maybe they're past that now?

And then there's the Pixel 2 case leaks:

So, basically the LG G6 and Pixel 1.5. Ugh. So disappointing there.

 

[themagpieswarble]

http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/0...ow-bezel-amoled-display-and-squeezable-frame/

Damn. That's hot.

Even hotter?

Pixel 1 Regular on the left with a 2.7" wide body. Pixel XL 2's screen on the right with a 2.6833" wide screen. Put some small bezels on the top and bottom of that Pixel 2 XL screen on the right and it's really not that much bigger than a Pixel regular. Also thinner so easier to hold.

I might have to say goodbye to Moto Actions for this one. There's rumor that Google is working on their own Always On Display and maybe they've figured out a way to make notifications interactive in a new way that Samsung hasn't figured out?

 

[DrvLikHell]

Tried to reply yesterday and it went off into nowhere.

Neutering a mini version is typical except for Sony. They were making full spec mini versions of the Z series until they released the Xperia X, now it's neutered like everybody else.

There's no way I could get used to a bigger phone. I had an Asus Zenfone 2 but it only lasted one day. I thought I could deal with the size and lack of Moto Display because it had everything else I wanted. 64gb rom, 4gb ram, dual sim, unlocked bootloader, custom ROM support, etc. But no, it felt like I had a book in my pocket. I sold it to a friend and a short while later I found a great deal on my Moto X2.

Maybe you have yours loaded down with a bunch of apps running in the background or something. I run Google Play music all the time and it runs great. The Snapdragon 801 in the Moto X2 actually has faster ram and more memory bandwidth than the Snapdragon 625 if I remember correctly. But where the 625 will shine is in circumstances where there are a lot of background apps running because of its eight-core processor. However, today I was slightly frustrated at how slowly Firefox was moving on my phone. I don't know if it was a problem with internet connectivity or the browser running slowly on the phone. I'll have to investigate further. But for everything else it runs really well. Also, my phone only has 1.78gb free (out of 32, which is really like 24 or something) and it doesn't make a difference in speed if I fill it or empty it.

If only we could get Moto Display on the regular Pixel, I'd jump on board with that phone. It's about the same size as the Moto X2. Slightly taller, slightly narrower. The 2017 Pixel XL looks just like the Galaxy S8 to me, and the S8 has a 5.8" screen with a body measuring 68.1mm wide vs the Pixel at 69.5, vs the Moto X2 at 72.4. So your guess of the Pixel XL2 being slightly larger than a current Pixel due to the long screen and thin bezels is entirely possible. But don't forget that the S8 is 148.9mm tall vs the Moto X2 at 140.8. The Pixel XL2 will be even taller. Height isn't really an issue to me for holding it, but it still has to go in my pocket. If this were a Motorola phone we were talking about, the tradeoff would no doubt be worth it.

I'm curious if they will make the non-XL Pixel 2 with the same ultra thin borders and long screen aspect ratio. If so, that phone would likely be smaller than the Moto X2. If they can do an interactive always on display, then they've really got my attention. Currently, the S7 has very limited interactivity with its always on display. If you tap one of the notifications it will unlock and open the associated app. However, there's still no dismissing or previewing it.

 

[themagpieswarble]

Tried to reply yesterday and it went off into nowhere.

Neutering a mini version is typical except for Sony. They were making full spec mini versions of the Z series until they released the Xperia X, now it's neutered like everybody else.

There's no way I could get used to a bigger phone. I had an Asus Zenfone 2 but it only lasted one day. I thought I could deal with the size and lack of Moto Display because it had everything else I wanted. 64gb rom, 4gb ram, dual sim, unlocked bootloader, custom ROM support, etc. But no, it felt like I had a book in my pocket. I sold it to a friend and a short while later I found a great deal on my Moto X2.

Maybe you have yours loaded down with a bunch of apps running in the background or something. I run Google Play music all the time and it runs great. The Snapdragon 801 in the Moto X2 actually has faster ram and more memory bandwidth than the Snapdragon 625 if I remember correctly. But where the 625 will shine is in circumstances where there are a lot of background apps running because of its eight-core processor. However, today I was slightly frustrated at how slowly Firefox was moving on my phone. I don't know if it was a problem with internet connectivity or the browser running slowly on the phone. I'll have to investigate further. But for everything else it runs really well. Also, my phone only has 1.78gb free (out of 32, which is really like 24 or something) and it doesn't make a difference in speed if I fill it or empty it.

If only we could get Moto Display on the regular Pixel, I'd jump on board with that phone. It's about the same size as the Moto X2. Slightly taller, slightly narrower. The 2017 Pixel XL looks just like the Galaxy S8 to me, and the S8 has a 5.8" screen with a body measuring 68.1mm wide vs the Pixel at 69.5, vs the Moto X2 at 72.4. So your guess of the Pixel XL2 being slightly larger than a current Pixel due to the long screen and thin bezels is entirely possible. But don't forget that the S8 is 148.9mm tall vs the Moto X2 at 140.8. The Pixel XL2 will be even taller. Height isn't really an issue to me for holding it, but it still has to go in my pocket. If this were a Motorola phone we were talking about, the tradeoff would no doubt be worth it.

I'm curious if they will make the non-XL Pixel 2 with the same ultra thin borders and long screen aspect ratio. If so, that phone would likely be smaller than the Moto X2. If they can do an interactive always on display, then they've really got my attention. Currently, the S7 has very limited interactivity with its always on display. If you tap one of the notifications it will unlock and open the associated app. However, there's still no dismissing or previewing it.

Yeah unfortunately the rumors are saying that the non-XL Pixel 2 is going to be a pretty direct sequel to the current non-XL Pixel. Made by HTC again.

I think my problem now is after borrowing this Pixel XL for a month, I can't go back to the crappy Motorola camera. I mean, unless the Z2 has finally figured it out with their camera processing software... I think I'm stuck in Pixel land. People are equally impressed by Moto Actions as they are when they see the photos I take on my Pixel. Let's just put it that way.

 

[DrvLikHell]

Yeah unfortunately the rumors are saying that the non-XL Pixel 2 is going to be a pretty direct sequel to the current non-XL Pixel. Made by HTC again.

I think my problem now is after borrowing this Pixel XL for a month, I can't go back to the crappy Motorola camera. I mean, unless the Z2 has finally figured it out with their camera processing software... I think I'm stuck in Pixel land. People are equally impressed by Moto Actions as they are when they see the photos I take on my Pixel. Let's just put it that way.

If the Moto X4 sucks, maybe you could get a regular sized Pixel instead of the XL. At least it would be about the same size as the Moto X2.

I rarely take pictures with my phone, and when I do, quality isn't important. While cell phone cameras have come incredibly far, when it comes to light, size does matter. I used to be into photography and nothing beats a full frame 36 x 24mm image sensor and the capabilities that come along with it. So now I just accept whatever my phone spits out and let it be at that.

 

[fbugnon]

I'm still using my Moto X (2013) as my regular phone. Nowadays running the Resurrection Remix ROM. Performance is a limitation, but I've been unable to find a replacement that feels as good as this old motorola.

 

[nicreis10]

I'm glad I'm not the only one!

I had a Sprint Moto X which I love and still own only I have T-Mobile now and after having 2 LG phone fail on me I find myself buying a new open box Moto x Dev edition, it was always a great phone and I do like having something smaller plus you can amaze people by saying your phone was made in America! Plus nothing beats a stock experience with the Moto software

 

[DrvLikHell]

I had a Sprint Moto X which I love and still own only I have T-Mobile now and after having 2 LG phone fail on me I find myself buying a new open box Moto x Dev edition, it was always a great phone and I do like having something smaller plus you can amaze people by saying your phone was made in America! Plus nothing beats a stock experience with the Moto software

I'm amazed that you were able to find new open box Dev Edition. Awesome find there! I read elsewhere on XDA that it's possible to unlock the Sprint version to allow it to use its sim card slot and GSM bands. It looked rather technical but very repeatable. Maybe now that you have the Dev Edition you could try tinkering with the Sprint phone and turn it into a backup. The Dev Edition is still the best though with the unlockable bootloader and no network locks. There should be a version like that for every phone.

My 2nd gen is becoming severely affected by the battery glitch where it shuts off with 25%, or more, of its battery left so I have to figure out something soon.

The Moto X4 looks nice, though nothing like the original, and no longer has flagship hardware. But at least it's the same size as my 2nd gen and still has all the great Moto features.

Apple, an American company, made the smaller iPhone C for small Chinese hands, while Lenovo, a Chinese company, keeps making big phones for big American hands...

 

[themagpieswarble]

I'm amazed that you were able to find new open box Dev Edition. Awesome find there! I read elsewhere on XDA that it's possible to unlock the Sprint version to allow it to use its sim card slot and GSM bands. It looked rather technical but very repeatable. Maybe now that you have the Dev Edition you could try tinkering with the Sprint phone and turn it into a backup. The Dev Edition is still the best though with the unlockable bootloader and no network locks. There should be a version like that for every phone.

My 2nd gen is becoming severely affected by the battery glitch where it shuts off with 25%, or more, of its battery left so I have to figure out something soon.

The Moto X4 looks nice, though nothing like the original, and no longer has flagship hardware. But at least it's the same size as my 2nd gen and still has all the great Moto features.

Apple, an American company, made the smaller iPhone C for small Chinese h
ands, while Lenovo, a Chinese company, keeps making big phones for big American hands...

I was kind of intrigued by the recent rumors of Moto X4 being an Android One phone. Maybe Google can help them with their camera processing software?

Have you looked at the LG V30 at all? It's a 6" screen phone but it's only a little bigger than the Moto X 2014 and about the exact same size as the Moto X4. Take a look:

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/s...Motorola-Moto-X-2014,LG-V30/phones/8897,10577

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/s...ze/LG-V30,Motorola-Moto-X4/phones/10577,10479

Reviews have been pretty dang good. And I expect that the price will drop a lot over the next 3-4 months as it tries to compete with Samsung and Google.

Besides that, I'm going to look and see what the Pixel 2/2XL has in store when its revealed here in a few weeks. Gonna be tough to give up the headphone jack if that rumor is true but I might be willing to do it if the phone looks pretty awesome.

 

[DrvLikHell]

I looked briefly at the V30, but to me it looks exactly like an S8. I don't like the rounded screen corners, and I don't like the rounded screen edge treatment. I have an S7 Edge on my desk right now and the rounded edges skew the lcd in an irritating way. The trick also looks fake. There is a bezel, it's just covered with glass. I also don't know about LG and their bootloaders or getting root.

I was amazed to learn that the S7 Edge, with its 5.5" screen is only very slightly bigger than the Moto X2. I put them face to face and the extra width is negligible. If it weren't for the rounded edges it would be an option as it ticks every other box except Moto Display.

To me, the Moto X4 is a good phone, even with the SD 630. But it's starting price is far too high compared to the G5 Plus, which has the same screen size, battery, memory, etc, and an SD 625. Granted the X4 looks and feels better with its glass and aluminum body, but that gets covered up with a case. Since the G5 Plus can be had for about $220, asking $400 for the X4 is a bit much when all you get is dual cameras, a nifty software Bluetooth trick and a cpu that's optimistically 10% faster. Oh, and waterproof. I want to like the X4, and I mostly do, but it's not for me at almost double the price of its brother. A sibling which offers 90% of the experience at 55% of the price.

I don't know where else to look. The Pixel has good specs and acceptable size, but honestly, to me, it doesn't have anything over a Exynos powered S7 non-edge. While the S7 has a higher screen resolution and is waterproof. The upcoming Pixel 2 is out of my price range and I don't like first release phones. I usually prefer a phone to be almost a year old so most bugs and hacks have been worked out.

I guess this leaves me in the same position as before. I've even looked at some odd never-heard-of Chinese brands like LeEco, Doogee and others. Nothing even close.

BTW, I'm sitting on my front porch with no power in the house and one bar of LTE in the aftermath of Irene, so if you have any suggestions of phones to research, I've got lots of time to waste after it gets dark.

 

[themagpieswarble]

Haha, I mean it sounds like you've got most phones already covered. I don't think there are many other options at the moment until next year. I'm just as lost as you.. except I think I'm a little more stoked about the Pixel. The first Pixel really nailed things in a lot of ways and felt as good as an iPhone hardware/software wise. I'm hoping the Pixel 2 takes it to the next level.

 

[nicreis10]

Exactly what I was thinking!

I'm amazed that you were able to find new open box Dev Edition. Awesome find there! I read elsewhere on XDA that it's possible to unlock the Sprint version to allow it to use its sim card slot and GSM bands. It looked rather technical but very repeatable. Maybe now that you have the Dev Edition you could try tinkering with the Sprint phone and turn it into a backup. The Dev Edition is still the best though with the unlockable bootloader and no network locks. There should be a version like that for every phone.

My 2nd gen is becoming severely affected by the battery glitch where it shuts off with 25%, or more, of its battery left so I have to figure out something soon.

The Moto X4 looks nice, though nothing like the original, and no longer has flagship hardware. But at least it's the same size as my 2nd gen and still has all the great Moto features.

Apple, an American company, made the smaller iPhone C for small Chinese hands, while Lenovo, a Chinese company, keeps making big phones for big American hands...

I bought my Sprint one through text now service (MVNO) and I tried to sim unlock it to no avail but now I'll be able to mess with it more has a back up, but yeah the only problem I even had with the Sprint one was that it was locked to Sprint! I found the Dev edition through this website called bukoos who deal with overstocked electronics. But That's one of the reasons I love the Moto x even with my OtterBox case it wasn't too bad plus I have small hands too ?

 

[themagpieswarble]

@DrvLikHell and @nicreis10

https://swappa.com/listing/VZS468/view

This just got posted. Brand new, never opened shrink wrapped white 32GB Unlocked Dev Edition Moto X 2013.

If I didn't have two Moto Xs sitting in my drawer right now (one bamboo back, the other one has a broken charging port), I would pick this up.

 

[themagpieswarble]

@DrvLikHell

Have you looked at the Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact? It's actually getting really great reviews and checks a lot of the boxes for our love of the original Moto X in terms of size/ergonomics.

Compact
Durable glass fiber plastic means sturdy and scratch resistant
The best actual usage performance of any Android smartphone ever according to GSMArena. The thing just flies and never gets hung up.
Benchmark performance is great if you care about that thing
Battery life is ranked 9th best according to gsmarena
Camera is good to great for a single lens camera. Yeah it's not Galaxy S8/V30/Pixel quality but it's pretty darn good (https://twitter.com/andrewmartonik/status/912480037055561728)
Front facing speakers sound good/loud when settings are tweaked a bit
Onboard DAC better than most
Headphone jack
Waterproof
Launches with Android Oreo
Crazy 960 FPS Slo Mo Video

Yeah, you're not getting Moto Software. But, that's something I'm already accepting I won't have going forward since Lenovo has just ruined Moto as far as I'm concerned.