WHY DOES NO ONE GET THE SECOND SCREEN!? (Warning: Rant)

[gljones2001]

WARNING: Little bit of a rant on my part. Been watching this happen for the last year or so.

WHY does no one understand that the second screen is NOT a notch? Its function is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
PLEASE don't tell us "The second screen is working!" when it is set as a notch. THAT'S NOT WORKING.
The whole point of the second screen is for it to act as the notification light on other phones, but better, because it doubles as an ALWAYS ON display.
If it's set as a notch, it's not ALWAYS ON. If I wanted a notch, I would get a pixel 3, or heck, even an IPHONE. (no! never! how could he say that?)
PLEASE fix your posts everyone. Tell us AT LEAST that it's PARTIALLY working. That would clear it up. I don't want people to say: "Yay! Second screen! Let me render my phone useless for the next week to get this new ROM! Wait, WHAT!? It doesn't work!? AUUGGHH!" And waste their time and sometimes lose their data just trying the "working" ROM.

P.S: Don't tell me Im overreacting. I mean this to be a rant. Not a personal statement against anyone. Please don't accuse me of this. This is just me trying to get my point across.

 

[ID000001]

Wait a second, let me try and clear up something here:

I thought "always-on display with a notch on an LCD" and "LG V20's second screen" is the same thing. Because LG V20's "second screen" isn't actually a second tiny screen. It is the same LCD as the rest of the panel. Which means whenever it is set to always-on, it might as well lite the rest of the LCD since it consumes the same amount of energy.

I can understand that LG V20's implementation of second screen also aid navigation since it scrolls independently. However, as far as notification goes. The function between "always-on display with a notch on an LCD" and "LG V20's second screen" basically does the same thing, no?

 

[gljones2001]

No. Its not that. LG has a second separate backlight section that lights the "notch" separately, allowing it to use practically no battery, yet still act as the "notification light" for this phone.

Edit: This phone has no other way of letting you know that you have notifications when the screen is off. That's why I have remained on stock this whole time. Heck, I'm even using it right now.

 

[Dlions]

WARNING: Little bit of a rant on my part. Been watching this happen for the last year or so.

WHY does no one understand that the second screen is NOT a notch? Its function is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
PLEASE don't tell us "The second screen is working!" when it is set as a notch. THAT'S NOT WORKING.
The whole point of the second screen is for it to act as the notification light on other phones, but better, because it doubles as an ALWAYS ON display.
If it's set as a notch, it's not ALWAYS ON. If I wanted a notch, I would get a pixel 3, or heck, even an IPHONE. (no! never! how could he say that?)
PLEASE fix your posts everyone. Tell us AT LEAST that it's PARTIALLY working. That would clear it up. I don't want people to say: "Yay! Second screen! Let me render my phone useless for the next week to get this new ROM! Wait, WHAT!? It doesn't work!? AUUGGHH!" And waste their time and sometimes lose their data just trying the "working" ROM.

P.S: Don't tell me Im overreacting. I mean this to be a rant. Not a personal statement against anyone. Please don't accuse me of this. This is just me trying to get my point across.

Hey if you want the V20's Second screen to work go back to stock. Why cant You just say thanks for all the hard work that's been put into development for the V20?
And BTW it clearly says the V20's Second Screen is now a defined notch that allows it to be active in the LOS 16 thread. I thinks there was some development for the second screen back in LOS 15.1 so u could look there.

 

[dornz]

Never tried that, set screen as notch ,

 

[gljones2001]

Hey if you want the V20's Second screen to work go back to stock. Why cant You just say thanks for all the hard work that's been put into development for the V20?
And BTW it clearly says the V20's Second Screen is now a defined notch that allows it to be active in the LOS 16 thread. I thinks there was some development for the second screen back in LOS 15.1 so u could look there.

I already know this. Did you not read my P.S. statement? Im not saying they didnt work hard. Im not giving anyone a bad rap. Im saying thats not a working second screen. They did work hard. They deserve the praise of even getting LOS to work on this phone AT ALL. Ive just barely gotten into the android hacking space, and I still dont understand fully how these custom roms work. All im saying is that without the AOD functionality of the second screen, you loose a HUGE feature that most people use on a day to day basis.

P.S: Ive even tried the second screen functionality in LOS 15.1. Its buggy and rather odd looking, without any of the crisp, clean interface like LG implemented. Id rather stay with stock for now.
Edit: It also still didn't have the AOD functionality. So, no custom roms for me.

AOD = Always On Display

 

[ID000001]

No. Its not that. LG has a second separate backlight section that lights the "notch" separately, allowing it to use practically no battery, yet still act as the "notification light" for this phone.

Wait a second, where did you get this information from? This is the first time I heard of LG V20 having separate backlight between the main screen and second screen. Also in my own individual testing, I was not able to conclusively test that the main screen backlight and the second screen backlight are separate. Can you provide some evidence on this?

 

[gljones2001]

Wait a second, where did you get this information from? This is the first time I heard of LG V20 having separate backlight between the main screen and second screen. Also in my own individual testing, I was not able to conclusively test that the main screen backlight and the second screen backlight are separate. Can you provide some evidence on this?

If you have a v20, just turn the screen off and look at it. If you turn the lights off in a room or cup your hand over it, you can see where the backlight from the second screen bleeds over into the main part of the screen. I have also been following the development of the custom widget support, and they have discussed the separate backlight there.

Also, the phone uses an LCD. You cant have anything displaying without having a backlight on. When you first turn the phone on, you know how for a second or so, the screen lights up but still looks black? That's the backlight turning on before the LCD layer has anything to display. If the backlight was not seperate, that is what the screen would look like with the second screen on and the phone asleep.

I hope this explains it for you and gives you some evidence for why it needs the seperate backlight.

 

[ID000001]

If you have a v20, just turn the screen off and look at it. If you turn the lights off in a room or cup your hand over it, you can see where the backlight from the second screen bleeds over into the main part of the screen. I have also been following the development of the custom widget support, and they have discussed the separate backlight there.

Also, the phone uses an LCD. You cant have anything displaying without having a backlight on. When you first turn the phone on, you know how for a second or so, the screen lights up but still looks black? That's the backlight turning on before the LCD layer has anything to display. If the backlight was not seperate, that is what the screen would look like with the second screen on and the phone asleep.

I hope this explains it for you and gives you some evidence for why it needs the seperate backlight.

What you said does appear to be true. Which means the LG V20 is better designed than I gave it credit for. I always wondered why the AOD on an LCD screen still has decent battery and never had any conclusive evidence that the back-lights are separated. Thanks!

 

[Lebatman]

Yes, exactly, finally a rant that expresses my frustration.

All due respect, and gratitude to different ROMs and the guys who work hard to make them; but the reason I haven't jumped to LOS 16 is that the second screen doesn't perform the functions that I bought the phone for- taskbar + quick contacts + quick settings (and others). And when LOS uses that space it earmarks all of the 100x1080pixels to a massive notification bar. Who wants that? It's a waste of all that space.

Obviously the modders aren't to blame for this, but LG. However it seems far fewer people here seem to care for that compared to people I've interacted with outside.

 

[gljones2001]

@ID000001 Your welcome. Honestly, LG was actually pretty brilliant when they designed this.
@Lebatman I know, right? I have set this phone up for my dad, my Grandparents, and a couple friends, and they all love the second screen. Its one of the first phones where you could just look at the screen and go, "Oh. Its a message from my game. Just ignore it" or "Oh! I got a text! I need to check that!" This didn't come back to phones until the AOD on galaxy phones with the OLED screens. I love it. Its cheaper than a Samsung phone. You still cant get even a galaxy S5 for cheaper than the V20.