Why does Samsung removes Bluetooth Codecs "aptX" HD and "aptX Adaptive"?

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Why does Samsung removes Bluetooth Codecs "aptX" HD and "aptX Adaptive"?

Hi guys, I'm pissed out 'cause Samsung removes these Bluetooth Codecs "aptX" HD and "aptX Adaptive" of their phones...
it doesn't matter the chip, Exynos or Qualcomm.

Every phone I saw with Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC, have these Bluetooth codecs, only Samsung removes it! Why?
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By the way, Samsung removes some Qualcomm features as well, like TrueWireless™ Stereo PLUS and TrueWireless™ Mirroring...
These features allow both earbuds connect directly to the smartphones, it brinks us less latency, better connection, and establish, besides it can offer a more evenly balanced power distribution between both headphones producing in longer playing time, and with it, there are no master and slave earbuds... in another word, no cross-head transmission, better battery, less latency and better connection...
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Look how amazing is when the phone have this feature TrueWireless Stereo Plus!
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I'm looking forward to the new Bluetooth 5.2 in some Samsung devices, but I'm sure that Samsung will remove the new code "LE Audio" that will come with BT 5.2.
Why does Samsung do it with us?

Before I forgot, Samsung also removes the codec name "flag" from the connected device.
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Samsung is doing a great job in smartphones, but there are killing the Bluetooth connection...
PLEASE SAMSUNG, Stop doing it with us, How can I keep buying your phones if you remove it of us?
 
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Hi guys, I'm pissed out 'cause Samsung removes these Bluetooth Codecs "aptX" HD and "aptX Adaptive" of their phones...
it doesn't matter the chip, Exynos or Qualcomm.

Every phone I saw with Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC, have these Bluetooth codecs, only Samsung removes it! Why?

By the way, Samsung removes some Qualcomm features as well, like TrueWireless™ Stereo PLUS and TrueWireless™ Mirroring...
These features allow both earbuds connect directly to the smartphones, it brinks us less latency, better connection, and establish, besides it can offer a more evenly balanced power distribution between both headphones producing in longer playing time, and with it, there are no master and slave earbuds... in another word, no cross-head transmission, better battery, less latency and better connection...

Look how amazing is when the phone have this feature TrueWireless Stereo Plus!

I'm looking forward to the new Bluetooth 5.2 in some Samsung devices, but I'm sure that Samsung will remove the new code "LE Audio" that will come with BT 5.2.
Why does Samsung do it with us?

Samsung is doing a great job in smartphones, but there are killing the Bluetooth connection..

Might I suggest looking around in the phone, especially in developer options for some stuff...
 

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Yeah not sure why Samsung does this... It has been going on for many years. They probably want to promote their proprietary SSC codec.

Regarding true wireless stereo, I didn't know and I thought it would work with a Samsung phone as long as the true wireless buds support it such as Technics

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marctronixx

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if it matters the same settings are also in the z fold 2. meaning it also lacks those extra codecs...
 

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They did this during the S8 series.
At that time, they discontinued the Level Headphones. Those headphones used the AptX HD, they supported the whole 96KHz and 24bit audio, HiRes logo.
But when the Android Pie came, all my Level Headphones turn into crap, going from AptXHD to SBC was like shocking.
People complained and they put AptXHD back on the Note9 Oreo. Yet again Android Pie came and they remove it.
Suddenly they stated the new Icon and later Bubs series of Headphones.
Now, after complaining, they added back AptX but not HD or Hi Res support.
I am on a Note9 and this is my last Samsung phone, done with this BS.
Next upgrade will be a Sony Xperia which has a much better DAC and sound profile.
They are even lying about Dolby because the audio is just 44KHz and Dolby Digital the basic one is at least 48KHz.
Sad to see Samsung go on the route of Apple.
 

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the issue is the masses don't know any better and the codecs installed on the phone are just "good enough" for the masses. samsung sell to the masses , not the enthusiasts.

the folks on this forum are those "enthusiasts" and thus will notice subtle things like this.

once the masses complain about it, samsung would most likely add it back. just like how the masses complained about the cheap free buds not being in the box (where many of them didn't use them but nevertheless expected them out of principle) - samsung promptly provided them for free (and just tossed them haphazardly into a padded envelope to boot).
 

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the issue is the masses don't know any better and the codecs installed on the phone are just "good enough" for the masses. samsung sell to the masses , not the enthusiasts.

the folks on this forum are those "enthusiasts" and thus will notice subtle things like this.

once the masses complain about it, samsung would most likely add it back. just like how the masses complained about the cheap free buds not being in the box (where many of them didn't use them but nevertheless expected them out of principle) - samsung promptly provided them for free (and just tossed them haphazardly into a padded envelope to boot).

The Note series has always been an expensive niche product that targeted power users.
So during a economic depression what's Samsung do?
Raise prices, drop performance features and try to recast the Note as the pretty boy -everyone- wants.
Perfect. Inept marketing.
Samsung did it again this year and they are paying the price.
Between Samsung's screw ups and Q, no way I'll (and many others*) upgrade this year and at this rate not next year either.
Afterwhich Sammy better have gotten their lame rabid gerbil circus act together...



*all those glowing fold 2 reviews are bs, it's price is sinking faster than a concrete life preserver. Meanwhile the 10+ price is still remarkably high.
 
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AptX HD... is the one you wanted.
All those codecs are inferior to it:(

Really? Says who? Samsung Scalable Codec supports up to 512kbps, similar to Aptx HD 576kbps. A marginal difference that you and I will definitely not be able to hear. The fact that it scales is an added benefit to maintain connection, besides most of us will be listening close range so you will most likely always be in the high end 512 kbit range.

I don't know about you but most of us listen to Spotify or YouTube Music which have a maximum of 256-320kbps, so you're technically not even gonna use 512kbps.

Not to mention, that most of us who do a blind test cannot tell a difference above 320kbps audio. SSC also supports 24bit 96kHz audio, similar to Aptx HD.

I have never experienced any audio sync lag issues over Bluetooth while watching content on a Samsung device. I can't say the same for other devices I've used in the past.

Personally, I have tested my Sony WH-1000XM3s using Sony LDAC codec (which my Note 20 supports) at 990kbps and with SSC and cannot tell any difference whatsoever.
 
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Really? Says who? Samsung Scalable Codec supports up to 512kbps, similar to Aptx HD 576kbps. A marginal difference that you and I will definitely not be able to hear. The fact that it scales is an added benefit to maintain connection, besides most of us will be listening close range so you will most likely always be in the high end 512 kbit range.

I don't know about you but most of us listen to Spotify or YouTube Music which have a maximum of 256-320kbps, so you're technically not even gonna use 512kbps.

Not to mention, that most of us who do a blind test cannot tell a difference above 320kbps audio. SSC also supports 24bit 96kHz audio, similar to Aptx HD.

I have never experienced any audio sync lag issues over Bluetooth while watching content on a Samsung device. I can't say the same for other devices I've used in the past.

Personally, I have tested my Sony WH-1000XM3s using Sony LDAC codec (which my Note 20 supports) at 990kbps and with SSC and cannot tell any difference whatsoever.

LDAC is better the Samsung's Scalable codec but inferior to AptX-HD.
kbps not the only difference, things ain't quit that simple.
I learned long ago you -CAN- hear better codecs.
Not talking about 16 bit wav files; the scalable codec can't even fully reproduce that!
Let alone HDCDs that have up to 22 bit resolution not 16 bit.
&
With 24 bit masters being released every bit counts...

Dig up the analysis if your ears can't hear it... some people's can though.
Of course if you're listening to mp3's... never mind.

Try playing through bt speakers and the loss of spacial depth ie sound stage will be immediately noticeable using any of these bt codecs from an HDCD or 24 bit file. To electro-acousticly couple a sound stage you need at least 2 stereo speakers coupled by open air (not headphones).
The interaction of the acoustic waves create the stage stage and directly electro-acoustically couple you with where the recording was made.

SSC also supports 24bit 96kHz audio, similar to Aptx HD.whatsoever.
O'Really... It can "support" it, but it grossly degrades it!
It has no where near even 22 bit resolution let alone 24 or higher bit resolution. I'm listening Sammy's Scalable codec right now and the highest HD audio setting allowed in Developer Options is Adaptive Bite Rate which is not even 909 kbps!
 
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    Why does Samsung removes Bluetooth Codecs "aptX" HD and "aptX Adaptive"?

    Hi guys, I'm pissed out 'cause Samsung removes these Bluetooth Codecs "aptX" HD and "aptX Adaptive" of their phones...
    it doesn't matter the chip, Exynos or Qualcomm.

    Every phone I saw with Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC, have these Bluetooth codecs, only Samsung removes it! Why?
    50376289331_e486537bb3_k.jpg


    By the way, Samsung removes some Qualcomm features as well, like TrueWireless™ Stereo PLUS and TrueWireless™ Mirroring...
    These features allow both earbuds connect directly to the smartphones, it brinks us less latency, better connection, and establish, besides it can offer a more evenly balanced power distribution between both headphones producing in longer playing time, and with it, there are no master and slave earbuds... in another word, no cross-head transmission, better battery, less latency and better connection...
    50376410681_1c1349f2b6_k.jpg


    Look how amazing is when the phone have this feature TrueWireless Stereo Plus!
    50376315876_33f62783af_z.jpg


    I'm looking forward to the new Bluetooth 5.2 in some Samsung devices, but I'm sure that Samsung will remove the new code "LE Audio" that will come with BT 5.2.
    Why does Samsung do it with us?

    Before I forgot, Samsung also removes the codec name "flag" from the connected device.
    50376593537_b1f2ba29ef_c.jpg


    Samsung is doing a great job in smartphones, but there are killing the Bluetooth connection...
    PLEASE SAMSUNG, Stop doing it with us, How can I keep buying your phones if you remove it of us?
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    AptX HD... is the one you wanted.
    All those codecs are inferior to it:(

    Really? Says who? Samsung Scalable Codec supports up to 512kbps, similar to Aptx HD 576kbps. A marginal difference that you and I will definitely not be able to hear. The fact that it scales is an added benefit to maintain connection, besides most of us will be listening close range so you will most likely always be in the high end 512 kbit range.

    I don't know about you but most of us listen to Spotify or YouTube Music which have a maximum of 256-320kbps, so you're technically not even gonna use 512kbps.

    Not to mention, that most of us who do a blind test cannot tell a difference above 320kbps audio. SSC also supports 24bit 96kHz audio, similar to Aptx HD.

    I have never experienced any audio sync lag issues over Bluetooth while watching content on a Samsung device. I can't say the same for other devices I've used in the past.

    Personally, I have tested my Sony WH-1000XM3s using Sony LDAC codec (which my Note 20 supports) at 990kbps and with SSC and cannot tell any difference whatsoever.
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    It has been like this for years. If I have to guess, Samsung does so in order to push its wireless earbuds making the other TWS earbuds sound worst than the Buds+, Buds Live and Buds Pro on their devices. The Samsung Scalable Codec is anyway a very valid codec, it's just a pity that is compatible only with Samsung products. No problem for me because I always used the Buds, but...
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    Might I suggest looking around in the phone, especially in developer options for some stuff...

    I did it! look at your picture! there are no APTX ADAPTIVE or APTX HD... Just APTX CLASSIC.
    I tried to put some images here, but I can't for now!

    Samsung just remove it, even when the chip supports it!
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    This is late but actually there is a hardware reason in part - Samsung uses Murata Bluetooth modules/modem on nearly all their devices, even in their phones with Snapdragon processors (this is why S21 series does not have BT5.2 despite Snapdragon 888 being capable of such (the S21 Ultra does have BT5.2, but uses a Samsung Bluetooth module). Samsung EU forum a developer claimed there were issues with stability adding AptX HD onto the Note 9/S9 and that they were looking into adding only AptX Adaptive, but they never bothered with it either. It's certainly possible to add it via software, but it's unlikely Samsung sees any incentive to do so (Huawei had AptX HD on their non-Qualcomm P2 series, but it may be that Qualcomm provided drivers as they were clearly listed on their website).

    Anyways, I didn't have much problem with scalable codec until recently, but now it sounds bad on my Note 9 especially when Wifi is turned on. Not sure what happened but recently I started noticing the sound distorting whenever I have wifi turned on using my Galaxy Buds+ and Buds 2.