Why I'm not getting the Pixel 2 (XL) Who else isn't?

[Zorachus]

Way overpriced all they did was give us a refreshed 6P and doubled the price. OG Pixel XL was overpriced but this is taking the p**s

EXACT spot on

Don't get me started on my rant, that this Pixel 2 XL is just a Nexus 8P, that should be selling for $599.

 

[zathus]

I don't know. I'm happy that people who like bluetooth are able to use it. And I think that people who want 3.5 mm should have that option (especially since it seems to be the majority of phone users). Just because I prefer 3.5 mm jacks, doesn't mean I think bluetooth should be gone and I'd be happy if other people didn't have the option they want. The two things are not mutually exclusive, after all.

Yeah, but the 3.5 mm jack takes up a lot of internal space. I guess it depends how they use that extra space.

 

[B3501]

The Pixel 2 is an absolute joke. The XL is only slightly better. Why do Google do this?! They never seem to learn.

 

[force70]

I'll admit, the stereo speakers are not that loud.

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Now this will be a deal breaker for me, the front firing speakers were the biggest selling point for me.

But in any of the videos Ive seen they arent Loud and sound muffle. Damn google if you go to the trouble of fitting front firing speakers into the design at make them sound amazing

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[bkrickles]

Now this will be a deal breaker for me, the front firing speakers were the biggest selling point for me.

But in any of the videos Ive seen they arent Loud and sound muffle. Damn google if you go to the trouble of fitting front firing speakers into the design at make them sound amazing

sent from my Note FE

Wait until you get the phone. I went to Verizon store and played new star wars trailer on the 2 xl and it sounded good. Not muffled and pretty loud in the store. I definitely liked it and I'm looking forward to getting mine this week

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[cwalker0906]

So are telling me I can't use the speakers as the main music source for my next party???? Damn you Google, seriously some of you really make me laugh. I have never been on a forum of a phone I don't own,or planning to own, to say how bad o think the phone is. The pity I feel for your life is beyond words. I am sorry

 

[force70]

So are telling me I can't use the speakers as the main music source for my next party???? Damn you Google, seriously some of you really make me laugh. I have never been on a forum of a phone I don't own,or planning to own, to say how bad o think the phone is. The pity I feel for your life is beyond words. I am sorry

What makes me laugh is when people get butthurt by others simply expressing their opinion.

Dude why are you even here in the thread if it bothers you so much the pity you feel is beyond words lol.





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[robstunner]

As a long time Google Pixel/Nexus fan, I have parted ways. Yes, I still own my Pixel XL, and I do not have any intentions of getting rid of it. This may sound petty but the real deal-breaker was the lack of the headphone jack. I consider myself as an audiophile and a headphone jack is a must if I'm getting a new phone. I will miss the Immediate, first of them all updates, and the pure Android experience. I have moved onto the LG V30 as of yesterday 10/5. I never thought I'd own a LG. Instead of LG jumping on the bandwagon and ditching the headphone jack, they improved it with their "Quad DAC". Yes, it sounds better! No, it's not the placebo effect LOL. The tall OLED HDR screen is beautiful. The Camera is phenomenal! and this is becoming a LG review, sorry. There's a lot I can say about this phone that I'm not going to get into.

Who else isn't getting the Pixel 2 (XL)? (Not because of price)

P.S. Praying for someone to unlock the V30 bootloader, and start making pure Android ROMS!

You lost me at "I'm an audiophile" "I have a pixel XL." Those two do not go together.

 

[rzracer2]

I canceled my order for the XL. Already have an S8 and V20 so for me to shell out $900 right now the P2 would have had to check off all the boxes which it clearly does not. I really enjoy the DAC in the V20 which is why I won't let it go but I like size/display of the S8. Can't anyone put the whole package together for $850?

 

[meboy]

So are telling me I can't use the speakers as the main music source for my next party???? Damn you Google, seriously some of you really make me laugh. I have never been on a forum of a phone I don't own,or planning to own, to say how bad o think the phone is. The pity I feel for your life is beyond words. I am sorry

We used to have only Apple apologists and thankfully those idiots weren't here.
Now we have nexus/pixel apologists.
Please XDA make some other home for them. I don't want to read such idiocy.

 

[cwalker0906]

We used to have only Apple apologists and thankfully those idiots weren't here.
Now we have nexus/pixel apologists.
Please XDA make some other home for them. I don't want to read such idiocy.

Dude you have been all over this forum since it was created. We get it, you're not getting the phone. What compels you to keep visiting a phone you're not getting? I'm just saying, find something to do with yourself. Go find a girl or something

 

[meboy]

Dude you have been all over this forum since it was created. We get it, you're not getting the phone. What compels you to keep visiting a phone you're not getting? I'm just saying, find something to do with yourself. Go find a girl or something

In the market for a new phone so watching closely
Keep reading stupid **** and feel compelled to bring some reason.

 

[aohus]

stopped by the Google Pop Up Shop in Los Angeles. Wanted to check out the color shift issue. Can confirm, the shifting is definitely noticeable. I understand if theres some shift, but its quite DRAMATIC even when you tilt it just a bit. You would have to view your phone dead on to not see the shifting. But a slight off angle view of the phone and it turns BLUE. WTF Google?! I wouldn't buy the LG V30 neither as it has the same issue. POLED is straight garbage. Don't get me wrong, I love LG's OLED TV panels but holy moly does their mobile display need improvement.

Still have the XL 2 on preorder but about to cancel this order due to this. I love the form factor and camera is 10/10, but the display is something I will not deal with considering its ~$1,000 after tax. I would have been okay with the lack of auxiliary port but the subpar display killed it for me. A real disappointment to say the least. Guaranteed many others will start returning their phones once they notice the color shift. I'm just glad I got to preview the issue.

 

[cb474]

Yeah, but the 3.5 mm jack takes up a lot of internal space. I guess it depends how they use that extra space.

That's what people say often, but I don't buy it.

Smartphones used to be much smaller than they are now, but they had 3.5 mm jacks without a problem. The original HTC One had dual speakers and OIS, supposedly things that take up space and excuses for dropping the 3.5 mm jack on later phones, and yet the HTC One had a 3.5 mm jack and it was the same size as the current Pixel 2. Same thing for the 2015 Moto G (actually it was even smaller).

And then of course there are these huge devices like the Pixel 2 XL or iPhone 8 Plus which have tons more room in them and yet somehow they don't have room for the 3.5 mm jack that every phone for years has had. Or look at the regular Galaxy S8: same size the the Pixel 2, "bezelless" screen, microSD card, OIS, larger camera sensor, and yet plenty of room for a 3.5 mm jack.

I think the "no room" claim is just an excuse used by phone manufacturers. The real reason they are dropping the 3.5 mm jack is planned obsolence. It just forces people to buy a whole bunch of new accessories.

 

[zathus]

That's what people say often, but I don't buy it.

Smartphones used to be much smaller than they are now, but they had 3.5 mm jacks without a problem. The original HTC One had dual speakers and OIS, supposedly things that take up space and excuses for dropping the 3.5 mm jack on later phones, and yet the HTC One had a 3.5 mm jack and it was the same size as the current Pixel 2. Same thing for the 2015 Moto G (actually it was even smaller).

And then of course there are these huge devices like the Pixel 2 XL or iPhone 8 Plus which have tons more room in them and yet somehow they don't have room for the 3.5 mm jack that every phone for years has had. Or look at the regular Galaxy S8: same size the the Pixel 2, "bezelless" screen, microSD card, OIS, larger camera sensor, and yet plenty of room for a 3.5 mm jack.

I think the "no room" claim is just an excuse used by phone manufacturers. The real reason they are dropping the 3.5 mm jack is planned obsolence. It just forces people to buy a whole bunch of new accessories.

No room and making room are 2 different things. Like the iPhone. The space used was the larger vibration motor. Is that needed? Is it a good sacrifice? That's up to the market. And the market spoke when the iPhone 7 sold well. So, the 3.5 will go away completely at some point. Or, be very rare. Like removable battery's.

 

[mdonnelly1127]

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/24/16519530/google-pixel-2xl-screen-issues-deep-and-unfixable

 

[Andebad]

I think I already responded to all of this in my first couple posts, so I'm not going to repeat myself. You have given a lot of reasons why you are fine with bluetooth. I never suggested that there are not people who prefer it or don't mind it. I never suggested that many people don't find pairing to be easy. I only suggested that the arguments for why it's more convenient objectively for everyone or "simpler" are easily countered. One particular person's individual perferences don't really respond to the more general points I was making. Bluetooth headsets, I think, are objectively much more complicated, adds more steps, still involves wires (with chargers), and are a far less elegant and simple solution than the 3.5 mm jack. If some people find the benefits of bluetooth to outweigh the extra complexity it introduces, that's neither here nor there to the points I was making.



The original 6.35 mm (1/4 inch) phone jack was invented in 1878, for phone systems. But the smaller 3.5 mm and 2.5 mm jacks were created in the 1950s for transistor radios, the original portable audio device. And of course the 3.5 mm jack was extremely widely used with the Walkman starting in 1979. So, you could not be more wrong about that. The 3.5 mm jack was invented for and has been used with portable devices for over 60 years.

People used rotary phones, typewriters, dials to change television channels instead of remote control, and there were millions of phone booths in the 1970s. At one point all of these were replaced by more convenient technologies that like Bluetooth were imperfect at first. I'm sure there were plenty of people who complained and stuck in their ways to first too but we all know how history played out.

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stopped by the Google Pop Up Shop in Los Angeles. Wanted to check out the color shift issue. Can confirm, the shifting is definitely noticeable. I understand if theres some shift, but its quite DRAMATIC even when you tilt it just a bit. You would have to view your phone dead on to not see the shifting. But a slight off angle view of the phone and it turns BLUE. WTF Google?! I wouldn't buy the LG V30 neither as it has the same issue. POLED is straight garbage. Don't get me wrong, I love LG's OLED TV panels but holy moly does their mobile display need improvement.

Still have the XL 2 on preorder but about to cancel this order due to this. I love the form factor and camera is 10/10, but the display is something I will not deal with considering its ~$1,000 after tax. I would have been okay with the lack of auxiliary port but the subpar display killed it for me. A real disappointment to say the least. Guaranteed many others will start returning their phones once they notice the color shift. I'm just glad I got to preview the issue.

Poled and AMOLED are the same thing...

Samsung panels have plastic sublayers and LG panels are active matrix displays they are the same thing. Samsung just makes better phone displays with better yields than LG currently. Also TV panels are a far easier thing to manufacture with much more room for error in the yields than smartphone panels.

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[cb474]

People used rotary phones, typewriters, dials to change television channels instead of remote control, and there were millions of phone booths in the 1970s. At one point all of these were replaced by more convenient technologies that like Bluetooth were imperfect at first. I'm sure there were plenty of people who complained and stuck in their ways to first too but we all know how history played out.

I already responded to this point above, in a different post. I made the very point you did. A lot of technologies have come and gone. And yet, the 3.5 mm jack has stuck around since the 1950s, from the transistor radio, to the Walkman, to laptops and MP3 players, and now cell phones. So the point is, something that has persisted through so many radical technological changes might have something more going for it than people give it credit for.

I would argue that with the 3.5 mm jack what it has going for it is elegant simplicity and quality. Bluetooth actually adds complexity (chargers, the wires on the chargers, batteries that will wear out, pairing and troubleshooting failed pairing, incompatibility with millions of legacy devices, additional cost) and bluetooth lowers audio quality. Bluetooth essentially trades the convenience of not having a wire in one place, for a whole host of inconveniences (and wires!) elsewhere and degraded quality.

You are making the bad assumption that everything new is better. That's not always true. You are also making the bad assumption that when people complain about a change it is always because they are "stuck in their ways." This is also not always true. Some people are more clear thinking and insightful than others (but it's easy to be glib and dismiss them as "stuck in their ways"). Indeed, such vast generalizations found in the assumptions you make are simply bad thinking, since nothing always applies in the same way in every instance.

So just because people stopped using dial phones or typewriters does not mean that dropping the 3.5 mm jack is a good idea. Some new things are improvements and others are not.

(As an aside, I will also point out that we still use the exact same keyboard configuration that was invented for the typewriter. So we may not have moved on from the typewriter as much as you imagine. QWERTY has been around since 1873. Many other keyboard configurations have been proposed. And yet QWERTY persists. So sometimes people keep using something, because it just works or the benefits to something else are not that great. There is not some inevitable need to replace every technology. And mindless embracing change as always better can lead to lots of problems.)

 

[Andebad]

I already responded to this point above, in a different post. I made the very point you did. A lot of technologies have come and gone. And yet, the 3.5 mm jack has stuck around since the 1950s, from the transistor radio, to the Walkman, to laptops and MP3 players, and now cell phones. So the point is, something that has persisted through so many radical technological changes might have something more going for it than people give it credit for.

I would argue that with the 3.5 mm jack what it has going for it is elegant simplicity and quality. Bluetooth actually adds complexity (chargers, the wires on the chargers, batteries that will wear out, pairing and troubleshooting failed pairing, incompatibility with millions of legacy devices, additional cost) and bluetooth lowers audio quality. Bluetooth essentially trades the convenience of not having a wire in one place, for a whole host of inconveniences (and wires!) elsewhere and degraded quality.

You are making the bad assumption that everything new is better. That's not always true. You are also making the bad assumption that when people complain about a change it is always because they are "stuck in their ways." This is also not always true. Some people are more clear thinking and insightful than others (but it's easy to be glib and dismiss them as "stuck in their ways"). Indeed, such vast generalizations found in the assumptions you make are simply bad thinking, since nothing always applies in the same way in every instance.

So just because people stopped using dial phones or typewriters does not mean that dropping the 3.5 mm jack is a good idea. Some new things are improvements and others are not.

(As an aside, I will also point out that we still use the exact same keyboard configuration that was invented for the typewriter. So we may not have moved on from the typewriter as much as you imagine. QWERTY has been around since 1873. Many other keyboard configurations have been proposed. And yet QWERTY persists. So sometimes people keep using something, because it just works or the benefits to something else are not that great. There is not some inevitable need to replace every technology. And mindless embracing change as always better can lead to lots of problems.)

When it was first introduced in the early 2000s home WiFi was far from perfect. Over the years it's become much better by adding extra channels and frequencies ect. It's still not as fast or reliable as cat 5e gigabit Ethernet. If you ask the average person how they connect to the internet in their home I'm sure the vast majority use wifi. Apple hasn't sold a laptop including the MacBook pro that included an Ethernet port since 2012 and the majority of ultrabooks ect are starting to omit the feature instead relying on adapters. Most people don't care that the plain old Ethernet port is much faster than even the newest wifi. Bluetooth might not be the technology to replace the 3.5mm headphone jack and it's far from perfect but wireless audio will eventually eliminate headphone jacks on everything but niche audiophile equipment. Just like home WiFi and blind or not the vast majority of people prefer Bluetooth and don't care about the headphone jack. Until the technology gets better and completely phases out the wired interface altogether they still make products for people that wish to use it. If you don't like that the pixel 2 doesn't have a headphone jack speak with your wallet and go buy the LG v30 or s8+/ note 8. I'm just here to tell you though that as Bluetooth becomes better, more reliable and convenient your choices are going to become much more slim in the future.

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