General X70 pro+ with Origin OS—Initial Review

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piskr

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Sep 17, 2007
746
271
Vivo X70 Pro+
A Happy New Year to everyone!

Today, when I received the first upgrade of Ocean OS (for Chinese model V2145A) I was thinking, maybe it's time for a little evaluation of the phone.

First thing first: why the Chinese X70 pro+?

It's not the money. After a bad experience with Trading Shengzheng which delayed the purchase for one month, I bought the phone from Wondamobile, but time was not on my side anymore. Weakened € comparing to $ and high demand for the phone drove the price up, and I paid over €1000.

So why the Chinese one? I needed a new phone and I didn't want to wait anymore, besides the global phone was not a reality, even the Indian one was vague at that time. And I really like Chinese phones, this is not my first Vivo, and before I was a lot on Huawei. They usually offer so much versatility and when you get the hang of Chinese configuration you can really make a phone the western one. And talking about the bloatware, a lot of western made phones are massively contaminated too.

Why Vivo?

I'm a kind of character that cares about freedom, I don't want the technical equipment to dictate me configuration, I want to configure my phone myself as I pleased. I started with Motorola when it was a US company, switched to Huawei after its decomposition and finally found a new company giving me enough space about customization in Vivo. Even their Chinese models obviously adapted to Chinese market are open enough and enable customization beyond any other models I've tried, and believe me, I've seen and tried a lot.

Not to mention the perfect state-of-the-art hardware, frequently upgraded and reliable software and excellent battery life.

So, what comes with the OCEAN OS?

Nothing much for westerns at first glance. You can't find most of the improvements you can see on introductory videos (like:
,
,
) on my phone. Yes, you might find them nice and useful, especially if you're an IOS fan, because the new Origin OS is basically an advanced and more featured version of the last IOS. But if you are staying with the original system configuration, you'll face Chinese letters too now and then.

But all new functional applications (Walkman, health, timer, dynamic wallpapers, notifications...) are easy to remove and that is exactly what I did. As you can see in attached pictures, I'm staying with the old fashion android configuration.

And I'm grateful to Vivo allowing me my own customization of the phone after upgrade.

But getting deeper, a lot has been changed anyway. We are talking about a complete system remake, nearly 7GB heavy. Therefore, it's Android 14, polished, totally new look, a better screen, nicer calling app, more useful camera settings and much more. The Origin Os becomes mature with the new upgrade.

The highlights: Display, Camera, Battery, Design

As you can see, the display really shines, serves it purpose in all conditions, and it's a Samsung's masterpiece of 2021.

What about battery? I must admit, I don't measure SOT anymore. Basically, there are two types of phones regarding battery for me: with sufficient and insufficient battery. In between is a gray zone that doesn't really mean anything.

And where is Vivo with the battery. It sevrves its purpose. That means, that for my type of use it usually last two days, sometimes one and something, but never, really never leaves me struggling with the power during one day. I consider myself as a heavy user regarding internet and apps, but I don't do games and don't use stuff around facebook.

About camera: I'm attaching a few comparison photos from X70 pro+ and from Iphone 13 pro max but Vivo is with the initial Origin OS (no Ocean). I consider Iphone slightly better at that time. But after that came two Oceans upgrade and especially the last one targets camera too. I think that regarding dedicated imaging chip, Vivo has a room for improvement. According to the DXOMark data the most worrisome issue in that matter is a slow autofocus: https://www.dxomark.com/vivo-x70-pro-plus-camera-review-flagship-level-camera/

But, as I said, it's too early for a fair camera evaluation, more shooting has to be done and maybe the new system had improved the camera already.

And design: One of the reason I wanted the Chinese phone is that I'm really fed up with the back glass phones. They are heavy and fragile. I really like my faux leader. And it has a good grip, finally I use the phone without a case (except in longer rough outdoor conditions).

On the other side, the long and narrow shape of the phone is not very stable with one hand manipulation. The Iphone 13 pro max is for example heavier, but one hand navigation is somehow easier.

I used to like larger phones, but I changed my mind. Now I believe that previous 6.56 inches phone screens were just right.

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friedkoala

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Thanks for the review! I received my Chinese X70 Pro Plus from WondaMobile on 5th January and despite its quirks and spending a good couple of hours over ADB uninstalling apps, customising and tweaking notifications so they work, I'm genuinely over the moon with it. I have to agree with you on the level of customisation too - there is so much of this device you can make your own!

I've not had the Ocean update yet but the beta program is full so I guess I'll just have to wait a bit longer for the official roll out!
 

Mariuszuzd

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May 29, 2018
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Hi,
I am considering the vivo x70 pro plus as my new mobile phone. Would you recommend it ? I am looking to buy it on traiding shenzen or Wondamobile. I regret that there is no possibility to install global version of the software. Did you pay a tax when you receive the package ? I am from Poland.
 

maxant69

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Hi,
I am considering the vivo x70 pro plus as my new mobile phone. Would you recommend it ? I am looking to buy it on traiding shenzen or Wondamobile. I regret that there is no possibility to install global version of the software. Did you pay a tax when you receive the package ? I am from Poland.
I bought it from Wonda Mobile, no import tax (Italy)
 

Mariuszuzd

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May 29, 2018
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Hi,
One question, normally would you have tax, if you buy something outsider the EU in Italy? Are you satisfied with the phone ?
 

piskr

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Sep 17, 2007
746
271
Vivo X70 Pro+
Hi,
I am considering the vivo x70 pro plus as my new mobile phone. Would you recommend it ? I am looking to buy it on traiding shenzen or Wondamobile. I regret that there is no possibility to install global version of the software. Did you pay a tax when you receive the package ? I am from Poland.
Wonda pays the tax, there is no import duties at all. And they are reliable. If you want to have a global model, I believe that you can buy it on Ebay now and then. But I wouldn't do that. It's not just a money, when I bought it, it hasn't been cheap at all. It is all about user experience.
 

Mariuszuzd

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May 29, 2018
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Okay, understand. Final question, so you confirm the positive outcome and review? The phone is worth buying? I am considering mi 11 ultra, mi12 pro, OnePlus 9 pro or 10 pro and 70 pro plus. I watched several reviews on YouTube, but I am wondering if those could be paid. Better ask some who really use the phone. 5g, vowifi, volte, all is working in the Italy?
 

maxant69

Senior Member
Nov 18, 2011
113
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Sony Xperia 1 III
Sony Xperia 5 III
Okay, understand. Final question, so you confirm the positive outcome and review? The phone is worth buying? I am considering mi 11 ultra, mi12 pro, OnePlus 9 pro or 10 pro and 70 pro plus. I watched several reviews on YouTube, but I am wondering if those could be paid. Better ask some who really use the phone. 5g, vowifi, volte, all is working in the Italy?
For me it's a great phone. In Italy Vodafone Volte works during phone call; I don't have a 5G plan so I can't reply.
 

piskr

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Sep 17, 2007
746
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Vivo X70 Pro+
Okay, understand. Final question, so you confirm the positive outcome and review? The phone is worth buying? I am considering mi 11 ultra, mi12 pro, OnePlus 9 pro or 10 pro and 70 pro plus. I watched several reviews on YouTube, but I am wondering if those could be paid. Better ask some who really use the phone. 5g, vowifi, volte, all is working in the Italy?
5g works, my operator doesn't provide volte nor vowifi. But i have switches for both options.
In Italy you have every 5g band but mmwave (26GHz) covered.
 

Mariuszuzd

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Thank you for the reply. What about google pay, it works? Any issues with installing the apps from play store? Have you noticed anything which can be important to mention to potential buyer. I watched almost all reviews but those are not focusing on the system itself. I am a bit afraid of the optimalization and the software of that phone.
 

piskr

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Sep 17, 2007
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Thank you for the reply. What about google pay, it works? Any issues with installing the apps from play store? Have you noticed anything which can be important to mention to potential buyer. I watched almost all reviews but those are not focusing on the system itself. I am a bit afraid of the optimalization and the software of that phone.
Google Pay works, no problem with bank apps or any app installed from GPlay. Just two exceptions: hotword and Android Auto don't work. This is due to the latest Google configuration demanding both to be system apps. Everything else work just fine.

If you are familiar with customization of the phone, you have nothing to worry about. And there are plenty of instructions around.
 

maxant69

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Nov 18, 2011
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Google Pay works, no problem with bank apps or any app installed from GPlay. Just two exceptions: hotword and Android Auto don't work. This is due to the latest Google configuration demanding both to be system apps. Everything else work just fine.

If you are familiar with customization of the phone, you have nothing to worry about. And there are plenty of instructions around.
Even WearOS watch doesn't work with Global app. You have to download WearOS app from Vivo App Store but doing that way Google Pay doesn't work from the watch.
 

piskr

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Sep 17, 2007
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Even WearOS watch doesn't work with Global app. You have to download WearOS app from Vivo App Store but doing that way Google Pay doesn't work from the watch.
Can't really tell. Never used a smart watch and neither intend to, my central intelligent device was always a phone. The watch functionality seems always to limited to me to bother. Small screen, 1 more device to worry about battery and get little in return really never attracted me. Know people bought smart watches and abandoned them soon after.
 

lucaluca72

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hello I have x70 pro plus Chinese version, have you solved the problem with the notifications? I have activated all permissions and I work in the background but gmail and other applications arrive late
 

maxant69

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Nov 18, 2011
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Can't really tell. Never used a smart watch and neither intend to, my central intelligent device was always a phone. The watch functionality seems always to limited to me to bother. Small screen, 1 more device to worry about battery and get little in return really never attracted me. Know people bought smart watches and abandoned them soon after.
WearOs is pure garbage, but it doesn't complete work on chinese firmware. I someone wants a smartwatch better stay away from it and buy other brand (Huawei, Amazfit, Mi..)
 

piskr

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Sep 17, 2007
746
271
Vivo X70 Pro+
Google Pay works, no problem with bank apps or any app installed from GPlay. Just two exceptions: hotword and Android Auto don't work. This is due to the latest Google configuration demanding both to be system apps. Everything else work just fine.

If you are familiar with customization of the phone, you have nothing to worry about. And there are plenty of instructions around.
Guys, yesterday I received the third update since I was on Ocean. This time it addressed better functionality of this party apps among others and implemented January security patch. Although it is beta it appears pretty stable already. I believe that the stable version is very close.
 

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Mariuszuzd

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I"m waiting for confirmation and working of android auto. At the moment that is a big issue and Android auto is not working on any Vivo phone. I have seen some posts regarding the X60.
 

piskr

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Sep 17, 2007
746
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I"m waiting for confirmation and working of android auto. At the moment that is a big issue and Android auto is not working on any Vivo phone. I have seen some posts regarding the X60.
And it won't as long as Google keeps request to be a system app. I believe that it's a total longshot. Hence I started to look for alternative solutions.
One I currently use is involving a intermediate element between the phone and the headunit. I use one old tablet with broken glass for the purpose and it works perfectly with limitations. The limitation is that I must use sip on the tablet if I want to call someone through the headunit and there is no way to accept the call this way.
But all other AA functions works flawlessly (music, maps, streaming) through hotspot from the phone.

In order to have working calling and hotword function I ordered a dedicated mid gadget which supposed to support that. I'll tell more after receiving it.
 

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    A Happy New Year to everyone!

    Today, when I received the first upgrade of Ocean OS (for Chinese model V2145A) I was thinking, maybe it's time for a little evaluation of the phone.

    First thing first: why the Chinese X70 pro+?

    It's not the money. After a bad experience with Trading Shengzheng which delayed the purchase for one month, I bought the phone from Wondamobile, but time was not on my side anymore. Weakened € comparing to $ and high demand for the phone drove the price up, and I paid over €1000.

    So why the Chinese one? I needed a new phone and I didn't want to wait anymore, besides the global phone was not a reality, even the Indian one was vague at that time. And I really like Chinese phones, this is not my first Vivo, and before I was a lot on Huawei. They usually offer so much versatility and when you get the hang of Chinese configuration you can really make a phone the western one. And talking about the bloatware, a lot of western made phones are massively contaminated too.

    Why Vivo?

    I'm a kind of character that cares about freedom, I don't want the technical equipment to dictate me configuration, I want to configure my phone myself as I pleased. I started with Motorola when it was a US company, switched to Huawei after its decomposition and finally found a new company giving me enough space about customization in Vivo. Even their Chinese models obviously adapted to Chinese market are open enough and enable customization beyond any other models I've tried, and believe me, I've seen and tried a lot.

    Not to mention the perfect state-of-the-art hardware, frequently upgraded and reliable software and excellent battery life.

    So, what comes with the OCEAN OS?

    Nothing much for westerns at first glance. You can't find most of the improvements you can see on introductory videos (like:
    ,
    ,
    ) on my phone. Yes, you might find them nice and useful, especially if you're an IOS fan, because the new Origin OS is basically an advanced and more featured version of the last IOS. But if you are staying with the original system configuration, you'll face Chinese letters too now and then.

    But all new functional applications (Walkman, health, timer, dynamic wallpapers, notifications...) are easy to remove and that is exactly what I did. As you can see in attached pictures, I'm staying with the old fashion android configuration.

    And I'm grateful to Vivo allowing me my own customization of the phone after upgrade.

    But getting deeper, a lot has been changed anyway. We are talking about a complete system remake, nearly 7GB heavy. Therefore, it's Android 14, polished, totally new look, a better screen, nicer calling app, more useful camera settings and much more. The Origin Os becomes mature with the new upgrade.

    The highlights: Display, Camera, Battery, Design

    As you can see, the display really shines, serves it purpose in all conditions, and it's a Samsung's masterpiece of 2021.

    What about battery? I must admit, I don't measure SOT anymore. Basically, there are two types of phones regarding battery for me: with sufficient and insufficient battery. In between is a gray zone that doesn't really mean anything.

    And where is Vivo with the battery. It sevrves its purpose. That means, that for my type of use it usually last two days, sometimes one and something, but never, really never leaves me struggling with the power during one day. I consider myself as a heavy user regarding internet and apps, but I don't do games and don't use stuff around facebook.

    About camera: I'm attaching a few comparison photos from X70 pro+ and from Iphone 13 pro max but Vivo is with the initial Origin OS (no Ocean). I consider Iphone slightly better at that time. But after that came two Oceans upgrade and especially the last one targets camera too. I think that regarding dedicated imaging chip, Vivo has a room for improvement. According to the DXOMark data the most worrisome issue in that matter is a slow autofocus: https://www.dxomark.com/vivo-x70-pro-plus-camera-review-flagship-level-camera/

    But, as I said, it's too early for a fair camera evaluation, more shooting has to be done and maybe the new system had improved the camera already.

    And design: One of the reason I wanted the Chinese phone is that I'm really fed up with the back glass phones. They are heavy and fragile. I really like my faux leader. And it has a good grip, finally I use the phone without a case (except in longer rough outdoor conditions).

    On the other side, the long and narrow shape of the phone is not very stable with one hand manipulation. The Iphone 13 pro max is for example heavier, but one hand navigation is somehow easier.

    I used to like larger phones, but I changed my mind. Now I believe that previous 6.56 inches phone screens were just right.

    Screenshot_20220106_181923.jpg
    Screenshot_20220106_181935.jpg
    Screenshot_20220106_181950.jpg
    Screenshot_20220106_182001.jpg
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    Thanks for the review! I received my Chinese X70 Pro Plus from WondaMobile on 5th January and despite its quirks and spending a good couple of hours over ADB uninstalling apps, customising and tweaking notifications so they work, I'm genuinely over the moon with it. I have to agree with you on the level of customisation too - there is so much of this device you can make your own!

    I've not had the Ocean update yet but the beta program is full so I guess I'll just have to wait a bit longer for the official roll out!
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    Baidu Keyboard -> com.baidu.input_vivo
    Browser -> com.vivo.browser
    Calendar -> com.bbk.calendar
    Calendar Widget -> com.vivo.widget.calendar
    Car Launcher -> com.vivo.carlauncher
    CarLife+ -> com.baidu.carlife.vivo
    Cleanup -> com.vivo.widget.cleanspeed
    Digital Wellbeing -> com.vivo.familycare.local
    Easy Share -> com.vivo.easyshare
    Easy Touch-> com.vivo.floatingball
    Email -> com.vivo.email
    Favourites -> com.vivo.favorite
    Find Phone -> com.vivo.findphone
    Fuel Summary -> com.vivo.fuelsummary
    Game Center -> com.vivo.game
    GameWatch -> com.vivo.gamewatch
    Global Search -> com.vivo.globalsearch
    iMusic -> com.android.bbkmusic
    iVideo -> com.android.VideoPlayer
    Jovi -> com.vivo.assistant
    Jovi InLife Service -> com.vivo.smartLife
    Jovi Voice -> com.vivo.agent
    Kids Mode -> com.vivo.childrenmode
    Mobile KTV -> com.vivo.vivokaraoke
    Network Location -> com.baidu.map.location
    Plugin -> com.vivo.magazine
    Power Guardian -> com.vivo.pem
    QuickPay -> com.vivo.quickpay
    Reader -> com.chaozh.iReader
    SpeechSuite -> com.iflytek.speechsuite
    Tips -> com.vivo.Tips
    Ultra Game Mode -> com.vivo.gamecube
    VHome -> com.vivo.vhomeguide
    Vivo.com -> com.vivo.space
    Vivo Cloud -> com.bbk.cloud
    Voice Wakeup -> com.vivo.voicewakeup
    Vivo Wallet -> com.vivo.wallet
    Weather -> com.vivo.weather
    Weather -> com.vivo.dream.weather
    Weather Widget -> com.vivo.widgetweather
    Weather Storage -> com.vivo.weather.provider
    Warranty - com.vivo.warranty
    Sim - com.vivo.simcontacts
    Music - com.vivo.musicwidgetmix
    Game - com.vivo.gametrain
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    Okay, so maybe Xiaomi isn't a great choice either.

    The thing is, I do read a lot of software issues with the Chinese software on these Vivo's.
    And they are conflicting ... So he has notification issues, the other doesn't. He still has Chinese text in English setting, the other doesn't. Etc etc.

    I suspect some people are 'light' on certain apps and don't really notice issues and others that are heavy on apps do notice issues.

    I have mainly been a Samsung guy with the Note 8 being my last daily driver and I currently Rock the ROG2.
    Loved the Note (except for the poor battery and trash speaker) and I love the ROG2. A true workhorse but after over 2 years it's kinda boring and I do miss a great and flexible camera system, wireless charge and IP rating. I also think the design is seriously outdated.

    As stated before I do enjoy my Google apps and I would like to keep on using them.
    I have NO idea on what to expect on Origin OS as you guys seem to have different experiences.
    Running that ADB tool is no issue for me but I need some assurance that certain apps would work and that notifications can be turned on in some way.
    Don't want to spend a small fortune on a device and take a gamble. It would bum me out to have basic fundamental functions not work properly.

    I'm also confused by Origin OS.
    Is it Android 11 or is Android 12. Many confusing info on the internet.
    Probably because the good info is in Chinese as that's their main market.

    And then I noticed different Ocean versions of Origin OS.

    Any EU people here using the X70 Pro+ ??
    I'm from EU. X70 pro+ is actually my 3rd Vivo phone, and all of them have been (are) Chinese. So I supposed to be kinda reliable source of information.

    First, it's not comparable with Samsung at all. You may like or dislike Samsung skin, but it's an Android with Google (and a ton of bloatware) and you can start to use it right off the bat.

    That's not the case with the Chinese Vivo. It's not love on the first sight, it's rather a shock on the first sight. You get a phone with the Chinese launcher, variety of Chinese apps, more or less useless for a Westerner, and a lot of Chinese text everywhere. But you get the same with the Chinese Honor, Huawei and Xiaomi. And once I started with Huawei, therefore Vivo couldn't shock me anymore.

    But I want to say, if you are deficiently skilled or desperate with the first impression, you're gonna probably regret your decision about buying Vivo. You didn't get Samsung and you won't ever have Samsung.

    And the same mistake is trying manically get rid of every system app or setting which has a slight smell of Chinese. I assume that that is exactly what the desperate guys who are full of complaints about X70 pro+ did. That might be the difference between us, who have no issues with the phone at all, and those who are full of troubles.

    You must at least know what you do and why you do something. Otherwise, and without basic Android skills, you better buy a western phone.

    And there is more: Ocean is a great interface with a lot of useful functions and a brilliant design. But mostly for Chinese. If you want to have a fully functional western phone, I believe you must sacrifice the skin and some functionality. But not all. I change the launcher and mount one which supports gestures and customizations on the base of the system launcher. Removing the system launcher disables these functionalities. And removing more in panic without selection and consideration disables even more useful functionalities.

    I can assure you that I have accurate notifications for both emails (Gmail and corporate), phone, messages, Signal, Gvoice and Gpay. A lot of others notifications I disabled. And I don't use Facebook and its derivates and other abusive apps. And yes, on AOD you can see only phone and SMS notifications.

    The final choice is yours: do you fell enough confident in your basic Android skills and ratio regarding carefully removing and adjusting apps and settings. If no, better skip Vivo.
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    It's not getting somewhere. Am I writing something wrong?
    All commands u entered are wrong

    Type this : pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.vivo.pem
    Pm <space>uninstall<space>-k<space>--user<space>0<space>com.vivo.pem
    Pm space uninstall space dash k dash dash user space 0(zero not O)space com.vivo.pem