General X70 pro+ with Origin OS—Initial Review

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Lexxmark

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I don‘t think that a Android 12 Update is to be expected for X70 Pro+ OriginOS devices, not now and possible never? This is the answer of Vivo Global customer support.

„Thanks for your email and we are very sorry for the delayed reply. According to your query, we are sorry for the inconvenience. We are extremely sorry to inform you that we can provide any advance information about the upcoming update. When an update is available for your handset you will get a notification for an update. Could you please share us why you want to update your handset?“

Especially the last question concerning WHY I want to update my handset is really disappointing. It seems that Vivo doesn‘t see the need of major updates, so they are not willing to observe there promises to the customers (three major updates for X70 series). That‘s very very disappointing.
You are wrong, my friend. Take a look on my reply above😜 You just need to ask customer support in a proper way😊
 
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"At present, it is confirmed that the Chinese version has not promised to upgrade to Android 12. OriginOS Ocean is a smartphone operating system that is deeply optimized, customized and developed based on the Android system. Due to the different hardware capabilities and configurations of each model, some models will continue to use the original Android version."
 

Lexxmark

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"At present, it is confirmed that the Chinese version has not promised to upgrade to Android 12. OriginOS Ocean is a smartphone operating system that is deeply optimized, customized and developed based on the Android system. Due to the different hardware capabilities and configurations of each model, some models will continue to use the original Android version."
yes, saddly it's true. I've got the same reply today. they have signed their own verdict and I'm sure they will lose a lot of customers because of this. for example, for me this is the last Vivo. BYE, VIVO!!!
 

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yes, saddly it's true. I've got the same reply today. they have signed their own verdict and I'm sure they will lose a lot of customers because of this. for example, for me this is the last Vivo. BYE, VIVO!!!
There are still users with a different perspective. I didn't buy this phone in order to have the most accurate updates. If I had wished that, I would have bought Pixel, Samsung or even Xiaomi. Not the top end model, but for the same price. Or even cheaper. I bought once Xiaomi, and it was a true disappointment. Not because of updates, but because of terrible functionality.
As usual, when I buy a known brand phone (and Vivo was known brand for me in the time of buying), I knew precisely what to expect - all strengths and weaknesses. That save you a lot of disappointment. I still believe that I got what I wanted. The only surprise is heating, but this is rather SOC than phone brand problem. Yes, I'd rather have a flat screen and (after years of thinking different) a smaller phone, but that two were compromises in favor of more important functions (still one of the best cameras, flawless functionality, screen and versatility).
Android 12 is all about design. Ocean is just a different fork of a phone design, and I believe that with Android 12 and Ocean I'd gain almost nothing.
My view on every phone is rather practical. I don't give a damn for a tone of updates if they bring nothing valuable. I prefer a stable, fully functional system.
Therefore, what I'm interested in, are new improved functionalities, connected with the identity, security, authentication and key replacement. I admire the idea of a phone which replaces everything in your pocket or purse (regarding identification and entering). And I know that only a few today phones supporting this. UWB is needed, and sooner or later comes the time for the phone replacement. For good. Probably next year.
 

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There are still users with a different perspective. I didn't buy this phone in order to have the most accurate updates. If I had wished that, I would have bought Pixel, Samsung or even Xiaomi. Not the top end model, but for the same price. Or even cheaper. I bought once Xiaomi, and it was a true disappointment. Not because of updates, but because of terrible functionality.
As usual, when I buy a known brand phone (and Vivo was known brand for me in the time of buying), I knew precisely what to expect - all strengths and weaknesses. That save you a lot of disappointment. I still believe that I got what I wanted. The only surprise is heating, but this is rather SOC than phone brand problem. Yes, I'd rather have a flat screen and (after years of thinking different) a smaller phone, but that two were compromises in favor of more important functions (still one of the best cameras, flawless functionality, screen and versatility).
Android 12 is all about design. Ocean is just a different fork of a phone design, and I believe that with Android 12 and Ocean I'd gain almost nothing.
My view on every phone is rather practical. I don't give a damn for a tone of updates if they bring nothing valuable. I prefer a stable, fully functional system.
Therefore, what I'm interested in, are new improved functionalities, connected with the identity, security, authentication and key replacement. I admire the idea of a phone which replaces everything in your pocket or purse (regarding identification and entering). And I know that only a few today phones supporting this. UWB is needed, and sooner or later comes the time for the phone replacement. For good. Probably next year.
yes, you are right, except one thing. A lot of people (and me as well) buy flagship phones for 2-3 years of usage. And when manufacturer promise to deliver 3 major updates and then deceives, it's a real SHAME!!! Next time I will buy Samsung again even if I need to pay 30-40% more! But I will get an actual updates for at least 3 years, even for 4. And I won't need to change the phone every year due to Vendor's dishonesty. I thought to buy x80 pro plus, but I rather will buy Samsung S23 ultra and will FORGET ABOUT VIVO!!! BYE, VIVO...Hope that most of the deceived customers like me will do the same. And I'm inviting you to join this decision...
 
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Thank you. Samsung is surely mostly times a safe choice. We'll see what 2023 brings. I'm thrilled about real new functionality, which have already been announced. Functionality and customization are gonna lead my decision as usual.
 

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By the way, x80 pro already has beta update of Android 13. So I really don't understand Vivo's policy. What is the difference between two flagships, previous and actual. Any ideas?
 

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By the way, x80 pro already has beta update of Android 13. So I really don't understand Vivo's policy. What is the difference between two flagships, previous and actual. Any ideas?
I think they will just save money, the X70 series is sold and the customers have spend their money. And these customers are nearly 100% Chinese customers and they don‘t care (otherwise Vivo can‘t do that).

Are you sure the Android 13 beta is OriginOS based? (and not FuntouchOS)

Because FuntouchOS has a much more customer friendly software service WITH Android major updates.
 

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By the way, x80 pro already has beta update of Android 13. So I really don't understand Vivo's policy. What is the difference between two flagships, previous and actual. Any ideas?
Things are not always as they seem. The logic behind is perfectly obvious to me. Vivo is not an amateur but rather a high tech company with advanced development. And all Vivo functionalities that stand out are not a given. Only a few high end phones work as flawlessly as Vivo.

I tried to explain that Vivo always follow through its policy. And what is obvious - Vivo maintains two forks of phone techology: one was limited international (recently became fully international with sales and support in Europe) and the other is meant for Asian (mostly Chinese) market.

And while you could buy before an international phone and have fluent Android versions upgrade, the policy with Chinese models was different. They never promised 3 years Android upgrade, they followed different objective. To develop a skin and the functionality which primary appeal their TARGET CUSTOMERS - mostly Chinese and other Asians. And you might believe - they have rather different priorities than you.

And Vivo succeeded - it developed Ocean and obviously X70 was its test model. Why then bother with back upgrade Android if you have already new upgraded models on the market? If target customers don't value much such upgrade?

And, now, when the development of Ocean is finished, Vivo has an easier task to follow: accurately maintaining Android. And if I'm right, both forks of its system would get it from now on.
 

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Things are not always as they seem. The logic behind is perfectly obvious to me. Vivo is not an amateur but rather a high tech company with advanced development. And all Vivo functionalities that stand out are not a given. Only a few high end phones work as flawlessly as Vivo.

I tried to explain that Vivo always follow through its policy. And what is obvious - Vivo maintains two forks of phone techology: one was limited international (recently became fully international with sales and support in Europe) and the other is meant for Asian (mostly Chinese) market.

And while you could buy before an international phone and have fluent Android versions upgrade, the policy with Chinese models was different. They never promised 3 years Android upgrade, they followed different objective. To develop a skin and the functionality which primary appeal their TARGET CUSTOMERS - mostly Chinese and other Asians. And you might believe - they have rather different priorities than you.

And Vivo succeeded - it developed Ocean and obviously X70 was its test model. Why then bother with back upgrade Android if you have already new upgraded models on the market? If target customers don't value much such upgrade?

And, now, when the development of Ocean is finished, Vivo has an easier task to follow: accurately maintaining Android. And if I'm right, both forks of its system would get it from now on.
Very detailled and reasonable explanation, thank you! Yes, it seems that the Vivo X70 series buyers outside China have to accept this.

But my trust in Vivo software policies is gone, I dont't think they are willing to compete with the best, not with FuntouchOS and not with OriginOS Ocean.
 
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I think they will just save money, the X70 series is sold and the customers have spend their money. And these customers are nearly 100% Chinese customers and they don‘t care (otherwise Vivo can‘t do that).

Are you sure the Android 13 beta is OriginOS based? (and not FuntouchOS)

Because FuntouchOS has a much more customer friendly software service WITH Android major updates.
yes, that Android 13 beta update is for OriginOS defenitely!!!
 

Lexxmark

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Guys, my proposal is to write to Vivo's global customer support that you unhappy with such unfair update policy. May be it will change something. I've already wrote such an email.
 

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Guys, my proposal is to write to Vivo's global customer support that you unhappy with such unfair update policy. May be it will change something. I've already wrote such an email.
I did too, but be real, a handful unsatisfied europeans vs many million chinese people? That's worse the time, so for me my X70 Pro+ is the last Vivo.
 

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I'm going to sell my vivo x 70 pro plus as soon as possible, since I just started to hate it because of the lack of android updates. I'll go back to Samsung. By the way, there is already information about the X 80 pro plus, cheap JN1 and JN2 sensors will appear there. Conclusion, Vivo is a real trash !!!)))
 

Lexxmark

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Someone knows what's the point of Performance mode? I've checked it in Antutu and Geekbanch and didn't get any performance boost!!! But didn't check the battery life in this mode. So I suppose it's useless and just a marketing trick. Any ideas?
 

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    A Happy New Year to everyone!

    Today, when I received the first upgrade of Ocean OS (for Chinese model V2145A) I was thinking, maybe it's time for a little evaluation of the phone.

    First thing first: why the Chinese X70 pro+?

    It's not the money. After a bad experience with Trading Shengzheng which delayed the purchase for one month, I bought the phone from Wondamobile, but time was not on my side anymore. Weakened € comparing to $ and high demand for the phone drove the price up, and I paid over €1000.

    So why the Chinese one? I needed a new phone and I didn't want to wait anymore, besides the global phone was not a reality, even the Indian one was vague at that time. And I really like Chinese phones, this is not my first Vivo, and before I was a lot on Huawei. They usually offer so much versatility and when you get the hang of Chinese configuration you can really make a phone the western one. And talking about the bloatware, a lot of western made phones are massively contaminated too.

    Why Vivo?

    I'm a kind of character that cares about freedom, I don't want the technical equipment to dictate me configuration, I want to configure my phone myself as I pleased. I started with Motorola when it was a US company, switched to Huawei after its decomposition and finally found a new company giving me enough space about customization in Vivo. Even their Chinese models obviously adapted to Chinese market are open enough and enable customization beyond any other models I've tried, and believe me, I've seen and tried a lot.

    Not to mention the perfect state-of-the-art hardware, frequently upgraded and reliable software and excellent battery life.

    So, what comes with the OCEAN OS?

    Nothing much for westerns at first glance. You can't find most of the improvements you can see on introductory videos (like:
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    ) on my phone. Yes, you might find them nice and useful, especially if you're an IOS fan, because the new Origin OS is basically an advanced and more featured version of the last IOS. But if you are staying with the original system configuration, you'll face Chinese letters too now and then.

    But all new functional applications (Walkman, health, timer, dynamic wallpapers, notifications...) are easy to remove and that is exactly what I did. As you can see in attached pictures, I'm staying with the old fashion android configuration.

    And I'm grateful to Vivo allowing me my own customization of the phone after upgrade.

    But getting deeper, a lot has been changed anyway. We are talking about a complete system remake, nearly 7GB heavy. Therefore, it's Android 14, polished, totally new look, a better screen, nicer calling app, more useful camera settings and much more. The Origin Os becomes mature with the new upgrade.

    The highlights: Display, Camera, Battery, Design

    As you can see, the display really shines, serves it purpose in all conditions, and it's a Samsung's masterpiece of 2021.

    What about battery? I must admit, I don't measure SOT anymore. Basically, there are two types of phones regarding battery for me: with sufficient and insufficient battery. In between is a gray zone that doesn't really mean anything.

    And where is Vivo with the battery. It sevrves its purpose. That means, that for my type of use it usually last two days, sometimes one and something, but never, really never leaves me struggling with the power during one day. I consider myself as a heavy user regarding internet and apps, but I don't do games and don't use stuff around facebook.

    About camera: I'm attaching a few comparison photos from X70 pro+ and from Iphone 13 pro max but Vivo is with the initial Origin OS (no Ocean). I consider Iphone slightly better at that time. But after that came two Oceans upgrade and especially the last one targets camera too. I think that regarding dedicated imaging chip, Vivo has a room for improvement. According to the DXOMark data the most worrisome issue in that matter is a slow autofocus: https://www.dxomark.com/vivo-x70-pro-plus-camera-review-flagship-level-camera/

    But, as I said, it's too early for a fair camera evaluation, more shooting has to be done and maybe the new system had improved the camera already.

    And design: One of the reason I wanted the Chinese phone is that I'm really fed up with the back glass phones. They are heavy and fragile. I really like my faux leader. And it has a good grip, finally I use the phone without a case (except in longer rough outdoor conditions).

    On the other side, the long and narrow shape of the phone is not very stable with one hand manipulation. The Iphone 13 pro max is for example heavier, but one hand navigation is somehow easier.

    I used to like larger phones, but I changed my mind. Now I believe that previous 6.56 inches phone screens were just right.

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    Thanks for the review! I received my Chinese X70 Pro Plus from WondaMobile on 5th January and despite its quirks and spending a good couple of hours over ADB uninstalling apps, customising and tweaking notifications so they work, I'm genuinely over the moon with it. I have to agree with you on the level of customisation too - there is so much of this device you can make your own!

    I've not had the Ocean update yet but the beta program is full so I guess I'll just have to wait a bit longer for the official roll out!
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    CarLife+ -> com.baidu.carlife.vivo
    Cleanup -> com.vivo.widget.cleanspeed
    Digital Wellbeing -> com.vivo.familycare.local
    Easy Share -> com.vivo.easyshare
    Easy Touch-> com.vivo.floatingball
    Email -> com.vivo.email
    Favourites -> com.vivo.favorite
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    Plugin -> com.vivo.magazine
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    Okay, so maybe Xiaomi isn't a great choice either.

    The thing is, I do read a lot of software issues with the Chinese software on these Vivo's.
    And they are conflicting ... So he has notification issues, the other doesn't. He still has Chinese text in English setting, the other doesn't. Etc etc.

    I suspect some people are 'light' on certain apps and don't really notice issues and others that are heavy on apps do notice issues.

    I have mainly been a Samsung guy with the Note 8 being my last daily driver and I currently Rock the ROG2.
    Loved the Note (except for the poor battery and trash speaker) and I love the ROG2. A true workhorse but after over 2 years it's kinda boring and I do miss a great and flexible camera system, wireless charge and IP rating. I also think the design is seriously outdated.

    As stated before I do enjoy my Google apps and I would like to keep on using them.
    I have NO idea on what to expect on Origin OS as you guys seem to have different experiences.
    Running that ADB tool is no issue for me but I need some assurance that certain apps would work and that notifications can be turned on in some way.
    Don't want to spend a small fortune on a device and take a gamble. It would bum me out to have basic fundamental functions not work properly.

    I'm also confused by Origin OS.
    Is it Android 11 or is Android 12. Many confusing info on the internet.
    Probably because the good info is in Chinese as that's their main market.

    And then I noticed different Ocean versions of Origin OS.

    Any EU people here using the X70 Pro+ ??
    I'm from EU. X70 pro+ is actually my 3rd Vivo phone, and all of them have been (are) Chinese. So I supposed to be kinda reliable source of information.

    First, it's not comparable with Samsung at all. You may like or dislike Samsung skin, but it's an Android with Google (and a ton of bloatware) and you can start to use it right off the bat.

    That's not the case with the Chinese Vivo. It's not love on the first sight, it's rather a shock on the first sight. You get a phone with the Chinese launcher, variety of Chinese apps, more or less useless for a Westerner, and a lot of Chinese text everywhere. But you get the same with the Chinese Honor, Huawei and Xiaomi. And once I started with Huawei, therefore Vivo couldn't shock me anymore.

    But I want to say, if you are deficiently skilled or desperate with the first impression, you're gonna probably regret your decision about buying Vivo. You didn't get Samsung and you won't ever have Samsung.

    And the same mistake is trying manically get rid of every system app or setting which has a slight smell of Chinese. I assume that that is exactly what the desperate guys who are full of complaints about X70 pro+ did. That might be the difference between us, who have no issues with the phone at all, and those who are full of troubles.

    You must at least know what you do and why you do something. Otherwise, and without basic Android skills, you better buy a western phone.

    And there is more: Ocean is a great interface with a lot of useful functions and a brilliant design. But mostly for Chinese. If you want to have a fully functional western phone, I believe you must sacrifice the skin and some functionality. But not all. I change the launcher and mount one which supports gestures and customizations on the base of the system launcher. Removing the system launcher disables these functionalities. And removing more in panic without selection and consideration disables even more useful functionalities.

    I can assure you that I have accurate notifications for both emails (Gmail and corporate), phone, messages, Signal, Gvoice and Gpay. A lot of others notifications I disabled. And I don't use Facebook and its derivates and other abusive apps. And yes, on AOD you can see only phone and SMS notifications.

    The final choice is yours: do you fell enough confident in your basic Android skills and ratio regarding carefully removing and adjusting apps and settings. If no, better skip Vivo.
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