General X70 pro+ with Origin OS—Initial Review

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piskr

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NFC works, Google pay works. AS maxant69 already explained, everything but

- voice activation
- android auto
- backup
- maps location track history

works.

And I'm not sure about notifications for social networks like Facebook, Instagram...because I don't use them. Notifications for calls, sms, mail, Google phone, Signal works without problem.
 

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NFC works, Google pay works. AS maxant69 already explained, everything but

- voice activation
- android auto
- backup
- maps location track history

works.

And I'm not sure about notifications for social networks like Facebook, Instagram...because I don't use them. Notifications for calls, sms, mail, Google phone, Signal works without problem.
Thank you. @maxant69 how has your experience been with the Android Auto accessory you bought? :)
 

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No problem bro im here to help. You need a pc for this procedure. On your pc, download and install asb and fastboot. After that turn on usb debugging from your mobile. For that you have to enable developer lode and in there u will the option of usb debugging. After that open adb and fastboot on your pc

no problem bro im here to help
so first of all you have to do is install latest version of adb and fastboot in ur pc
after that enable developer option on your mobile (vivo x70 pro plus) by going to system management then select about phone then select version info then click on software version 5 times. it will show a popup that developer mode has been enabled.
then in system management go to the bottom you will find developer options. open that and enable developer options (the blue dot) then scroll down and find USB debugging and turn it on. now on your PC open ADB and fastboot and connect your X70 to pc using the original cable and a popup will appear on phone to allow Usb debugging.
now in adb type command 'adb devices' and press enter
after your devices will appear then enter command 'adb shell' and press enter
now type command 'pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.vivo.pem' and press enter
you will see a success message blow your command. thats it just restart your phone and enjoy notifications without a delay
u can contact me on direct message for further assisstance.
John Wick thanks for this tuto. Please can you tell me if you are able to send photos with google message app ????
 

frcraig

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Yes, photos send with the Google Messages app without any problem. The only issue with using Google Messages instead of the stock Vivo Messages app is that notifications for Google Messages don't show up if you have the phone set to dark mode. The solution is to enable 'chat bubbles' in the Google Messages settings, as they do show up in dark mode.
 
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Tsunarun

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Yes, photos send with the Google Messages app without any problem. The only issue with using Google Messages instead of the stock Vivo Messages app is that notifications for Google Messages don't show up if you have the phone set to dark mode. The solution is to enable 'chat bubbles' in the Google Messages settings, as they do show up in dark mode.
Can you send photos over 300kb to another person using google message too ?
 

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No. The message size cap is set by your telecom and not by the phone or the software's limitations. All Canadian, and most U.S. carriers restrict MMS and chat message photographs to 300kb. To comply with that the default Vivo Messages app and the Google Messages app both compress your photos before sending them. If you want to send someone full quality images you need to go to Google Photos, click on the picture, click "share", select your Messaging app, and then choose "send link". That way they will get a link in their text message that allows them access to the uncompressed image on Google's servers.
 

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No. The message size cap is set by your telecom and not by the phone or the software's limitations. All Canadian, and most U.S. carriers restrict MMS and chat message photographs to 300kb. To comply with that the default Vivo Messages app and the Google Messages app both compress your photos before sending them. If you want to send someone full quality images you need to go to Google Photos, click on the picture, click "share", select your Messaging app, and then choose "send link". That way they will get a link in their text message that allows them access to the uncompressed image on Google's servers.
Thanks for reply 👍I know the limitation but when I try to send picture to another person with RCS it's not possible. Any clues ? I have other phones with google message and they work fine but with my x70 pro+when I send a photo it stays on "sending" Any clue ?
 
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frcraig

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Just to see if it is your phone or your mobile network, try switching your default messaging app from Android Messages to Vivo Messages and try to send the same picture you are having trouble with. If the picture sends then your phone and network are working properly and you can narrow the problem down to the Android Messages app. Have you cleared the data and cache for the app, tried force stop, etc.? Also, if you switch from RCS chat to MMS within Android Messages will the picture send? I can send to people who have RCS chat enabled (only available on Android Messages and Samsung Messages), but if they don't use those messaging apps, or if they do and they don't have RCS enabled in the app's settings then I can't send them a picture.
 
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Tsunarun

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I will recieve the x80 pro soon. I will tell you if it works properly.
Which version you have ? Origin os or funtouch ?
 

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Thanks for the review! I received my Chinese X70 Pro Plus from WondaMobile on 5th January and despite its quirks and spending a good couple of hours over ADB uninstalling apps, customising and tweaking notifications so they work, I'm genuinely over the moon with

Hi, I used a lot ADB 10+ years ago on rooted phones, now I have x50pro+ what can i do good with adb?
txs
 

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    I don‘t think that a Android 12 Update is to be expected for X70 Pro+ OriginOS devices, not now and possible never? This is the answer of Vivo Global customer support.

    „Thanks for your email and we are very sorry for the delayed reply. According to your query, we are sorry for the inconvenience. We are extremely sorry to inform you that we can provide any advance information about the upcoming update. When an update is available for your handset you will get a notification for an update. Could you please share us why you want to update your handset?“

    Especially the last question concerning WHY I want to update my handset is really disappointing. It seems that Vivo doesn‘t see the need of major updates, so they are not willing to observe there promises to the customers (three major updates for X70 series). That‘s very very disappointing.
    The question is just from he customer support person, not from vivo itself
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    Things are not always as they seem. The logic behind is perfectly obvious to me. Vivo is not an amateur but rather a high tech company with advanced development. And all Vivo functionalities that stand out are not a given. Only a few high end phones work as flawlessly as Vivo.

    I tried to explain that Vivo always follow through its policy. And what is obvious - Vivo maintains two forks of phone techology: one was limited international (recently became fully international with sales and support in Europe) and the other is meant for Asian (mostly Chinese) market.

    And while you could buy before an international phone and have fluent Android versions upgrade, the policy with Chinese models was different. They never promised 3 years Android upgrade, they followed different objective. To develop a skin and the functionality which primary appeal their TARGET CUSTOMERS - mostly Chinese and other Asians. And you might believe - they have rather different priorities than you.

    And Vivo succeeded - it developed Ocean and obviously X70 was its test model. Why then bother with back upgrade Android if you have already new upgraded models on the market? If target customers don't value much such upgrade?

    And, now, when the development of Ocean is finished, Vivo has an easier task to follow: accurately maintaining Android. And if I'm right, both forks of its system would get it from now on.
    Very detailled and reasonable explanation, thank you! Yes, it seems that the Vivo X70 series buyers outside China have to accept this.

    But my trust in Vivo software policies is gone, I dont't think they are willing to compete with the best, not with FuntouchOS and not with OriginOS Ocean.
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    A Happy New Year to everyone!

    Today, when I received the first upgrade of Ocean OS (for Chinese model V2145A) I was thinking, maybe it's time for a little evaluation of the phone.

    First thing first: why the Chinese X70 pro+?

    It's not the money. After a bad experience with Trading Shengzheng which delayed the purchase for one month, I bought the phone from Wondamobile, but time was not on my side anymore. Weakened € comparing to $ and high demand for the phone drove the price up, and I paid over €1000.

    So why the Chinese one? I needed a new phone and I didn't want to wait anymore, besides the global phone was not a reality, even the Indian one was vague at that time. And I really like Chinese phones, this is not my first Vivo, and before I was a lot on Huawei. They usually offer so much versatility and when you get the hang of Chinese configuration you can really make a phone the western one. And talking about the bloatware, a lot of western made phones are massively contaminated too.

    Why Vivo?

    I'm a kind of character that cares about freedom, I don't want the technical equipment to dictate me configuration, I want to configure my phone myself as I pleased. I started with Motorola when it was a US company, switched to Huawei after its decomposition and finally found a new company giving me enough space about customization in Vivo. Even their Chinese models obviously adapted to Chinese market are open enough and enable customization beyond any other models I've tried, and believe me, I've seen and tried a lot.

    Not to mention the perfect state-of-the-art hardware, frequently upgraded and reliable software and excellent battery life.

    So, what comes with the OCEAN OS?

    Nothing much for westerns at first glance. You can't find most of the improvements you can see on introductory videos (like:
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    ) on my phone. Yes, you might find them nice and useful, especially if you're an IOS fan, because the new Origin OS is basically an advanced and more featured version of the last IOS. But if you are staying with the original system configuration, you'll face Chinese letters too now and then.

    But all new functional applications (Walkman, health, timer, dynamic wallpapers, notifications...) are easy to remove and that is exactly what I did. As you can see in attached pictures, I'm staying with the old fashion android configuration.

    And I'm grateful to Vivo allowing me my own customization of the phone after upgrade.

    But getting deeper, a lot has been changed anyway. We are talking about a complete system remake, nearly 7GB heavy. Therefore, it's Android 14, polished, totally new look, a better screen, nicer calling app, more useful camera settings and much more. The Origin Os becomes mature with the new upgrade.

    The highlights: Display, Camera, Battery, Design

    As you can see, the display really shines, serves it purpose in all conditions, and it's a Samsung's masterpiece of 2021.

    What about battery? I must admit, I don't measure SOT anymore. Basically, there are two types of phones regarding battery for me: with sufficient and insufficient battery. In between is a gray zone that doesn't really mean anything.

    And where is Vivo with the battery. It sevrves its purpose. That means, that for my type of use it usually last two days, sometimes one and something, but never, really never leaves me struggling with the power during one day. I consider myself as a heavy user regarding internet and apps, but I don't do games and don't use stuff around facebook.

    About camera: I'm attaching a few comparison photos from X70 pro+ and from Iphone 13 pro max but Vivo is with the initial Origin OS (no Ocean). I consider Iphone slightly better at that time. But after that came two Oceans upgrade and especially the last one targets camera too. I think that regarding dedicated imaging chip, Vivo has a room for improvement. According to the DXOMark data the most worrisome issue in that matter is a slow autofocus: https://www.dxomark.com/vivo-x70-pro-plus-camera-review-flagship-level-camera/

    But, as I said, it's too early for a fair camera evaluation, more shooting has to be done and maybe the new system had improved the camera already.

    And design: One of the reason I wanted the Chinese phone is that I'm really fed up with the back glass phones. They are heavy and fragile. I really like my faux leader. And it has a good grip, finally I use the phone without a case (except in longer rough outdoor conditions).

    On the other side, the long and narrow shape of the phone is not very stable with one hand manipulation. The Iphone 13 pro max is for example heavier, but one hand navigation is somehow easier.

    I used to like larger phones, but I changed my mind. Now I believe that previous 6.56 inches phone screens were just right.

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    Thanks for the review! I received my Chinese X70 Pro Plus from WondaMobile on 5th January and despite its quirks and spending a good couple of hours over ADB uninstalling apps, customising and tweaking notifications so they work, I'm genuinely over the moon with it. I have to agree with you on the level of customisation too - there is so much of this device you can make your own!

    I've not had the Ocean update yet but the beta program is full so I guess I'll just have to wait a bit longer for the official roll out!
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    Baidu Keyboard -> com.baidu.input_vivo
    Browser -> com.vivo.browser
    Calendar -> com.bbk.calendar
    Calendar Widget -> com.vivo.widget.calendar
    Car Launcher -> com.vivo.carlauncher
    CarLife+ -> com.baidu.carlife.vivo
    Cleanup -> com.vivo.widget.cleanspeed
    Digital Wellbeing -> com.vivo.familycare.local
    Easy Share -> com.vivo.easyshare
    Easy Touch-> com.vivo.floatingball
    Email -> com.vivo.email
    Favourites -> com.vivo.favorite
    Find Phone -> com.vivo.findphone
    Fuel Summary -> com.vivo.fuelsummary
    Game Center -> com.vivo.game
    GameWatch -> com.vivo.gamewatch
    Global Search -> com.vivo.globalsearch
    iMusic -> com.android.bbkmusic
    iVideo -> com.android.VideoPlayer
    Jovi -> com.vivo.assistant
    Jovi InLife Service -> com.vivo.smartLife
    Jovi Voice -> com.vivo.agent
    Kids Mode -> com.vivo.childrenmode
    Mobile KTV -> com.vivo.vivokaraoke
    Network Location -> com.baidu.map.location
    Plugin -> com.vivo.magazine
    Power Guardian -> com.vivo.pem
    QuickPay -> com.vivo.quickpay
    Reader -> com.chaozh.iReader
    SpeechSuite -> com.iflytek.speechsuite
    Tips -> com.vivo.Tips
    Ultra Game Mode -> com.vivo.gamecube
    VHome -> com.vivo.vhomeguide
    Vivo.com -> com.vivo.space
    Vivo Cloud -> com.bbk.cloud
    Voice Wakeup -> com.vivo.voicewakeup
    Vivo Wallet -> com.vivo.wallet
    Weather -> com.vivo.weather
    Weather -> com.vivo.dream.weather
    Weather Widget -> com.vivo.widgetweather
    Weather Storage -> com.vivo.weather.provider
    Warranty - com.vivo.warranty
    Sim - com.vivo.simcontacts
    Music - com.vivo.musicwidgetmix
    Game - com.vivo.gametrain
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    Okay, so maybe Xiaomi isn't a great choice either.

    The thing is, I do read a lot of software issues with the Chinese software on these Vivo's.
    And they are conflicting ... So he has notification issues, the other doesn't. He still has Chinese text in English setting, the other doesn't. Etc etc.

    I suspect some people are 'light' on certain apps and don't really notice issues and others that are heavy on apps do notice issues.

    I have mainly been a Samsung guy with the Note 8 being my last daily driver and I currently Rock the ROG2.
    Loved the Note (except for the poor battery and trash speaker) and I love the ROG2. A true workhorse but after over 2 years it's kinda boring and I do miss a great and flexible camera system, wireless charge and IP rating. I also think the design is seriously outdated.

    As stated before I do enjoy my Google apps and I would like to keep on using them.
    I have NO idea on what to expect on Origin OS as you guys seem to have different experiences.
    Running that ADB tool is no issue for me but I need some assurance that certain apps would work and that notifications can be turned on in some way.
    Don't want to spend a small fortune on a device and take a gamble. It would bum me out to have basic fundamental functions not work properly.

    I'm also confused by Origin OS.
    Is it Android 11 or is Android 12. Many confusing info on the internet.
    Probably because the good info is in Chinese as that's their main market.

    And then I noticed different Ocean versions of Origin OS.

    Any EU people here using the X70 Pro+ ??
    I'm from EU. X70 pro+ is actually my 3rd Vivo phone, and all of them have been (are) Chinese. So I supposed to be kinda reliable source of information.

    First, it's not comparable with Samsung at all. You may like or dislike Samsung skin, but it's an Android with Google (and a ton of bloatware) and you can start to use it right off the bat.

    That's not the case with the Chinese Vivo. It's not love on the first sight, it's rather a shock on the first sight. You get a phone with the Chinese launcher, variety of Chinese apps, more or less useless for a Westerner, and a lot of Chinese text everywhere. But you get the same with the Chinese Honor, Huawei and Xiaomi. And once I started with Huawei, therefore Vivo couldn't shock me anymore.

    But I want to say, if you are deficiently skilled or desperate with the first impression, you're gonna probably regret your decision about buying Vivo. You didn't get Samsung and you won't ever have Samsung.

    And the same mistake is trying manically get rid of every system app or setting which has a slight smell of Chinese. I assume that that is exactly what the desperate guys who are full of complaints about X70 pro+ did. That might be the difference between us, who have no issues with the phone at all, and those who are full of troubles.

    You must at least know what you do and why you do something. Otherwise, and without basic Android skills, you better buy a western phone.

    And there is more: Ocean is a great interface with a lot of useful functions and a brilliant design. But mostly for Chinese. If you want to have a fully functional western phone, I believe you must sacrifice the skin and some functionality. But not all. I change the launcher and mount one which supports gestures and customizations on the base of the system launcher. Removing the system launcher disables these functionalities. And removing more in panic without selection and consideration disables even more useful functionalities.

    I can assure you that I have accurate notifications for both emails (Gmail and corporate), phone, messages, Signal, Gvoice and Gpay. A lot of others notifications I disabled. And I don't use Facebook and its derivates and other abusive apps. And yes, on AOD you can see only phone and SMS notifications.

    The final choice is yours: do you fell enough confident in your basic Android skills and ratio regarding carefully removing and adjusting apps and settings. If no, better skip Vivo.
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    It's not getting somewhere. Am I writing something wrong?
    All commands u entered are wrong

    Type this : pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.vivo.pem
    Pm <space>uninstall<space>-k<space>--user<space>0<space>com.vivo.pem
    Pm space uninstall space dash k dash dash user space 0(zero not O)space com.vivo.pem