General X70 pro+ with Origin OS—Initial Review

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piskr

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Something weird happened after my last update. I'm now on PD2145_A_5.13.31. It's a trial version and man can expect glitches but anyway it hits me as a surprise. Namely, Google pay (NFC payment suddenly stops working). The reason supposed to be that my phone is either rooted, bootloader unlocked or has trial version of the system. It had a lot of trial OSes before and that problem never occurred.

What is strange, the device is still Google certified, SafetyNet totally passes, all other banks' app (EU ones which are usually more sensitive than Gpay) work flawlessly.

Therefore, I can't find out who is responsible for the failure, Vivo or Google. Hope that next upgrade is around the corner. On the other way, we all know that the old Gpay app is to be replaced with the Gwallet. And as Google tells me when I'm digging in the reason for the failure, it would happen soon, till the 15 of June.
 

frcraig

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There is a setting on my Vivo X Note (CN) Origin OS Ocean that I don't understand. If you open the i-dialer and go to the dots at the top right of the screen under Call Settings / Advanced Call Settings / Sim 1 you see IP Prefix, and a spot to enter an IP Prefix. What is an IP Prefix? It is blank by default.
 

piskr

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I don't think it's anything useful. It's a link to a voip central (https://support.sasktel.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12155/~/understanding-your-ip-relay-number). But native sip is broken in Android quite a long.


Anyway, I believe your research is heading in the right direction. Why don't you go further? The first viable option is Google Voice. You can transfer your number to GV and pay nothing for calls to US and Canada. Though calls end in fixed telephony through a gateway, they start and end in your phone as data, and you eliminate an LTE 5G problem. And I think that you can also transfer your number back to the mobile operator if you wish so.


You can also choose from a variety of VOIP providers. I use Zadarma on per call billing (for a fraction of money) but there is no way that someone could call your original number (if I call the recipient, it sees my original number though). Calls are very reliable, without lag and crystal clear since they are VOIP.


But there are others, mostly from US, and if you pay per month you can also transfer your number to VOIP. And the price won't brake your budget (https://www.vonageforhome.com/personal/why-vonage/).


I guess, if you want to eliminate the obstacle, which comes with Vivo phone and at least temporally lack of VoLTE, you should look at your relationship with the operator differently. You can get calling support from elsewhere, all you need from an operator, is a decent data pack. Postpaid or prepaid, whatever comes cheaper.
 

frcraig

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I don't think it's anything useful. It's a link to a voip central (https://support.sasktel.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12155/~/understanding-your-ip-relay-number). But native sip is broken in Android quite a long.


Anyway, I believe your research is heading in the right direction. Why don't you go further? The first viable option is Google Voice. You can transfer your number to GV and pay nothing for calls to US and Canada. Though calls end in fixed telephony through a gateway, they start and end in your phone as data, and you eliminate an LTE 5G problem. And I think that you can also transfer your number back to the mobile operator if you wish so.


You can also choose from a variety of VOIP providers. I use Zadarma on per call billing (for a fraction of money) but there is no way that someone could call your original number (if I call the recipient, it sees my original number though). Calls are very reliable, without lag and crystal clear since they are VOIP.


But there are others, mostly from US, and if you pay per month you can also transfer your number to VOIP. And the price won't brake your budget (https://www.vonageforhome.com/personal/why-vonage/).


I guess, if you want to eliminate the obstacle, which comes with Vivo phone and at least temporally lack of VoLTE, you should look at your relationship with the operator differently. You can get calling support from elsewhere, all you need from an operator, is a decent data pack. Postpaid or prepaid, whatever comes cheaper.
Thank you. Your solution was so obvious that I feel stupid because it was right under my nose. I have a Google Voice account. At home in Canada, where we still have 3G networks, I don't mind my voice calls dropping from LTE to 3G, but when I travel to the United States and can't place calls without VoLTE I will just use my Google Voice app to place calls, as I still connect to 4G or 5G mobile data.
 

Lexxmark

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Hello, everyone. When we can expect the Android 12 update? And probably Origin 2.0. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
 

piskr

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Not sure. Like someone has written here, it may not even come. If it does, it is about the time.
I don't really care about Android 12. I have it on my tablet, and the only changes from 11 are more or less in design. But Ocean already has its own design and I kinda like it. Android 13 looks like a totally different ballgame. It brings substantial changes.
 

tastyounguy

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Hi gentlemen, is there a way to get 'Hey Google' working on this specific model? Any instruction would be very much appreciated!
 

Lexxmark

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Hello, everyone. I've got a reply from Vivo customer support: ''Android 12 update for Origin OS has already been launched and released to the public gradually. Hopefully you will also receive this update soon in your mobile.''
 
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Hello, everyone. I've got a reply from Vivo customer support: ''Android 12 update for Origin OS has already been launched and released to the public gradually. Hopefully you will also receive this update soon in your mobile.''
May I ask you which Vivo customer support have given you this answer? Directly from mainland China?
 

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    Hello, everyone. I've got a reply from Vivo customer support: ''Android 12 update for Origin OS has already been launched and released to the public gradually. Hopefully you will also receive this update soon in your mobile.''
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    A Happy New Year to everyone!

    Today, when I received the first upgrade of Ocean OS (for Chinese model V2145A) I was thinking, maybe it's time for a little evaluation of the phone.

    First thing first: why the Chinese X70 pro+?

    It's not the money. After a bad experience with Trading Shengzheng which delayed the purchase for one month, I bought the phone from Wondamobile, but time was not on my side anymore. Weakened € comparing to $ and high demand for the phone drove the price up, and I paid over €1000.

    So why the Chinese one? I needed a new phone and I didn't want to wait anymore, besides the global phone was not a reality, even the Indian one was vague at that time. And I really like Chinese phones, this is not my first Vivo, and before I was a lot on Huawei. They usually offer so much versatility and when you get the hang of Chinese configuration you can really make a phone the western one. And talking about the bloatware, a lot of western made phones are massively contaminated too.

    Why Vivo?

    I'm a kind of character that cares about freedom, I don't want the technical equipment to dictate me configuration, I want to configure my phone myself as I pleased. I started with Motorola when it was a US company, switched to Huawei after its decomposition and finally found a new company giving me enough space about customization in Vivo. Even their Chinese models obviously adapted to Chinese market are open enough and enable customization beyond any other models I've tried, and believe me, I've seen and tried a lot.

    Not to mention the perfect state-of-the-art hardware, frequently upgraded and reliable software and excellent battery life.

    So, what comes with the OCEAN OS?

    Nothing much for westerns at first glance. You can't find most of the improvements you can see on introductory videos (like:
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    ) on my phone. Yes, you might find them nice and useful, especially if you're an IOS fan, because the new Origin OS is basically an advanced and more featured version of the last IOS. But if you are staying with the original system configuration, you'll face Chinese letters too now and then.

    But all new functional applications (Walkman, health, timer, dynamic wallpapers, notifications...) are easy to remove and that is exactly what I did. As you can see in attached pictures, I'm staying with the old fashion android configuration.

    And I'm grateful to Vivo allowing me my own customization of the phone after upgrade.

    But getting deeper, a lot has been changed anyway. We are talking about a complete system remake, nearly 7GB heavy. Therefore, it's Android 14, polished, totally new look, a better screen, nicer calling app, more useful camera settings and much more. The Origin Os becomes mature with the new upgrade.

    The highlights: Display, Camera, Battery, Design

    As you can see, the display really shines, serves it purpose in all conditions, and it's a Samsung's masterpiece of 2021.

    What about battery? I must admit, I don't measure SOT anymore. Basically, there are two types of phones regarding battery for me: with sufficient and insufficient battery. In between is a gray zone that doesn't really mean anything.

    And where is Vivo with the battery. It sevrves its purpose. That means, that for my type of use it usually last two days, sometimes one and something, but never, really never leaves me struggling with the power during one day. I consider myself as a heavy user regarding internet and apps, but I don't do games and don't use stuff around facebook.

    About camera: I'm attaching a few comparison photos from X70 pro+ and from Iphone 13 pro max but Vivo is with the initial Origin OS (no Ocean). I consider Iphone slightly better at that time. But after that came two Oceans upgrade and especially the last one targets camera too. I think that regarding dedicated imaging chip, Vivo has a room for improvement. According to the DXOMark data the most worrisome issue in that matter is a slow autofocus: https://www.dxomark.com/vivo-x70-pro-plus-camera-review-flagship-level-camera/

    But, as I said, it's too early for a fair camera evaluation, more shooting has to be done and maybe the new system had improved the camera already.

    And design: One of the reason I wanted the Chinese phone is that I'm really fed up with the back glass phones. They are heavy and fragile. I really like my faux leader. And it has a good grip, finally I use the phone without a case (except in longer rough outdoor conditions).

    On the other side, the long and narrow shape of the phone is not very stable with one hand manipulation. The Iphone 13 pro max is for example heavier, but one hand navigation is somehow easier.

    I used to like larger phones, but I changed my mind. Now I believe that previous 6.56 inches phone screens were just right.

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    Thanks for the review! I received my Chinese X70 Pro Plus from WondaMobile on 5th January and despite its quirks and spending a good couple of hours over ADB uninstalling apps, customising and tweaking notifications so they work, I'm genuinely over the moon with it. I have to agree with you on the level of customisation too - there is so much of this device you can make your own!

    I've not had the Ocean update yet but the beta program is full so I guess I'll just have to wait a bit longer for the official roll out!
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    Baidu Keyboard -> com.baidu.input_vivo
    Browser -> com.vivo.browser
    Calendar -> com.bbk.calendar
    Calendar Widget -> com.vivo.widget.calendar
    Car Launcher -> com.vivo.carlauncher
    CarLife+ -> com.baidu.carlife.vivo
    Cleanup -> com.vivo.widget.cleanspeed
    Digital Wellbeing -> com.vivo.familycare.local
    Easy Share -> com.vivo.easyshare
    Easy Touch-> com.vivo.floatingball
    Email -> com.vivo.email
    Favourites -> com.vivo.favorite
    Find Phone -> com.vivo.findphone
    Fuel Summary -> com.vivo.fuelsummary
    Game Center -> com.vivo.game
    GameWatch -> com.vivo.gamewatch
    Global Search -> com.vivo.globalsearch
    iMusic -> com.android.bbkmusic
    iVideo -> com.android.VideoPlayer
    Jovi -> com.vivo.assistant
    Jovi InLife Service -> com.vivo.smartLife
    Jovi Voice -> com.vivo.agent
    Kids Mode -> com.vivo.childrenmode
    Mobile KTV -> com.vivo.vivokaraoke
    Network Location -> com.baidu.map.location
    Plugin -> com.vivo.magazine
    Power Guardian -> com.vivo.pem
    QuickPay -> com.vivo.quickpay
    Reader -> com.chaozh.iReader
    SpeechSuite -> com.iflytek.speechsuite
    Tips -> com.vivo.Tips
    Ultra Game Mode -> com.vivo.gamecube
    VHome -> com.vivo.vhomeguide
    Vivo.com -> com.vivo.space
    Vivo Cloud -> com.bbk.cloud
    Voice Wakeup -> com.vivo.voicewakeup
    Vivo Wallet -> com.vivo.wallet
    Weather -> com.vivo.weather
    Weather -> com.vivo.dream.weather
    Weather Widget -> com.vivo.widgetweather
    Weather Storage -> com.vivo.weather.provider
    Warranty - com.vivo.warranty
    Sim - com.vivo.simcontacts
    Music - com.vivo.musicwidgetmix
    Game - com.vivo.gametrain
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    Okay, so maybe Xiaomi isn't a great choice either.

    The thing is, I do read a lot of software issues with the Chinese software on these Vivo's.
    And they are conflicting ... So he has notification issues, the other doesn't. He still has Chinese text in English setting, the other doesn't. Etc etc.

    I suspect some people are 'light' on certain apps and don't really notice issues and others that are heavy on apps do notice issues.

    I have mainly been a Samsung guy with the Note 8 being my last daily driver and I currently Rock the ROG2.
    Loved the Note (except for the poor battery and trash speaker) and I love the ROG2. A true workhorse but after over 2 years it's kinda boring and I do miss a great and flexible camera system, wireless charge and IP rating. I also think the design is seriously outdated.

    As stated before I do enjoy my Google apps and I would like to keep on using them.
    I have NO idea on what to expect on Origin OS as you guys seem to have different experiences.
    Running that ADB tool is no issue for me but I need some assurance that certain apps would work and that notifications can be turned on in some way.
    Don't want to spend a small fortune on a device and take a gamble. It would bum me out to have basic fundamental functions not work properly.

    I'm also confused by Origin OS.
    Is it Android 11 or is Android 12. Many confusing info on the internet.
    Probably because the good info is in Chinese as that's their main market.

    And then I noticed different Ocean versions of Origin OS.

    Any EU people here using the X70 Pro+ ??
    I'm from EU. X70 pro+ is actually my 3rd Vivo phone, and all of them have been (are) Chinese. So I supposed to be kinda reliable source of information.

    First, it's not comparable with Samsung at all. You may like or dislike Samsung skin, but it's an Android with Google (and a ton of bloatware) and you can start to use it right off the bat.

    That's not the case with the Chinese Vivo. It's not love on the first sight, it's rather a shock on the first sight. You get a phone with the Chinese launcher, variety of Chinese apps, more or less useless for a Westerner, and a lot of Chinese text everywhere. But you get the same with the Chinese Honor, Huawei and Xiaomi. And once I started with Huawei, therefore Vivo couldn't shock me anymore.

    But I want to say, if you are deficiently skilled or desperate with the first impression, you're gonna probably regret your decision about buying Vivo. You didn't get Samsung and you won't ever have Samsung.

    And the same mistake is trying manically get rid of every system app or setting which has a slight smell of Chinese. I assume that that is exactly what the desperate guys who are full of complaints about X70 pro+ did. That might be the difference between us, who have no issues with the phone at all, and those who are full of troubles.

    You must at least know what you do and why you do something. Otherwise, and without basic Android skills, you better buy a western phone.

    And there is more: Ocean is a great interface with a lot of useful functions and a brilliant design. But mostly for Chinese. If you want to have a fully functional western phone, I believe you must sacrifice the skin and some functionality. But not all. I change the launcher and mount one which supports gestures and customizations on the base of the system launcher. Removing the system launcher disables these functionalities. And removing more in panic without selection and consideration disables even more useful functionalities.

    I can assure you that I have accurate notifications for both emails (Gmail and corporate), phone, messages, Signal, Gvoice and Gpay. A lot of others notifications I disabled. And I don't use Facebook and its derivates and other abusive apps. And yes, on AOD you can see only phone and SMS notifications.

    The final choice is yours: do you fell enough confident in your basic Android skills and ratio regarding carefully removing and adjusting apps and settings. If no, better skip Vivo.
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    It's not getting somewhere. Am I writing something wrong?
    All commands u entered are wrong

    Type this : pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.vivo.pem
    Pm <space>uninstall<space>-k<space>--user<space>0<space>com.vivo.pem
    Pm space uninstall space dash k dash dash user space 0(zero not O)space com.vivo.pem