Question X90 Pro+ vs Honor Magic 5 Pro

[extremecarver]

yes I check on router - and I checked on mobile data with everything blocked vs what my provider said I would have used vs the adguard statistics and it matched well enough.
That they hid the VPN only option but it still exists kinda confirms how far they went. But then with the rights that some apps have it's clear they sniff your phone calls, messages, and chinese social media apps. Not so sure about if they break into whatsapp, signal and so on too. I think not but wouldn't feel safe about it (as long as you download the app from play store - if you download from vivo appstore or this system restore/easyshare whatever it's called you get the chinese version that uses chinese notifications and spies on you. Easyshare really should only be used to transfer pictures/videos from an old phone or PC but 100% not apps as they aren't shared but installed from vivo appstore).

 

[P6P]

TechTablets whose reviews are always very informative & valuable, just uploaded their full review of the Magic5 Pro

I don't believe him anymore...

 

[jericho246]

Honor Magic5 Pro no longer the #1 in DXOMark rating. https://www.dxomark.com/oppo-find-x6-pro-camera-test/

 

[extremecarver]

But must say that both X90Pro+ and X6 Pro really struggle with the skin colour/exposure of the coloured person. Iphone 14 looks way more pleasing (and well Pixel in that discipline is king anyhow). Also in basically all examples where they have X90 Pro+ and X6 Pro the X6 Pro trumps the X90 Pro+ by miles... X90 Pro+ pictures all look like they need some photoshopping before being presentable..

And the focus speed/accuracy seems to be improved too quite a lot (see old measurements of X90 Pro+).

And yeah - same old problem on preview HDR. The much better preview on Iphone is one of the reasons why anyone can get good pictures on it - vs having to learn and guess on most Android phones. Especially with HDR not being the best thing for any photo (often kills athmosphere/style)

 

[bmw320cd]

But must say that both X90Pro+ and X6 Pro really struggle with the skin colour/exposure of the coloured person. Iphone 14 looks way more pleasing (and well Pixel in that discipline is king anyhow). Also in basically all examples where they have X90 Pro+ and X6 Pro the X6 Pro trumps the X90 Pro+ by miles... X90 Pro+ pictures all look like they need some photoshopping before being presentable..

And the focus speed/accuracy seems to be improved too quite a lot (see old measurements of X90 Pro+).

And yeah - same old problem on preview HDR. The much better preview on Iphone is one of the reasons why anyone can get good pictures on it - vs having to learn and guess on most Android phones. Especially with HDR not being the best thing for any photo (often kills athmosphere/style)

I post few pics of REAL comparison from user have many top camera phone ... And the x6 pro lose by Miles Vs X90 PP
DXOMARK review on camera is 100% not real and payed
But yeah , X90 PP sucks

Vivo x90 pro+ vs S23U

With the S23U released, has any of you seen a comparison between this and the pro+? I am currently on the verge of importing an origin vivo in spite of the concerns voiced on this forum. At the end of the day, I want the best camera phone on the...

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Vivo x90 pro+ vs S23U

With the S23U released, has any of you seen a comparison between this and the pro+? I am currently on the verge of importing an origin vivo in spite of the concerns voiced on this forum. At the end of the day, I want the best camera phone on the...

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ps: and I can post tons of photo comparisons from an UNPAID guy who buys (with his money) the phones to compare, between the top cameraphone (mate50 pro , 12s ultra , s23 ultra , x6 pro , magic pro) in various conditions

 

[Dayuser]

I wait GSMArena review for X6 Pro. Then it's good to say is X6 Pro camera better than X90 Pro+

 

[P6P]

ps: and I can post tons of photo comparisons from an UNPAID guy who buys (with his money) the phones to compare, between the top cameraphone (mate50 pro , 12s ultra , s23 ultra , x6 pro , magic pro) in various conditions

Sad part is and even then they won't believe you.

 

[extremecarver]

Well on most reviews I've seen X6 pro loses on portrait shots of Eurasian people vs X90pp but on most other things is better or at least as good. And again my main gripe on X90pp is that the pics simply need retouch because they aren't good out of the box. Natural mode is boring but good quality while vivid is impossible comic look...
That's why I now only use gcam but again gcam is horrible on colours and needs retouch white balance mostly too but easier to move just white balance but get the rest right vs the stock camera that needs fixing exposure all the time (and again kinda impossible to know before taking the pic how exposure will turn out with HDR activated. With it off it's fine)...

And yeah I care less about quality itself but about good looking pictures/ambiance. On easy situations most cameras are very equal anyhow.
X90PP stock camera is still king of how most Asian girls want to look in pictures. 90% of them love the beauty mode cause make-up or face surgery isn't needed. Anyone Asian looks like a film star with it on... The beauty mode isn't optimized for non east Asians at all however (better turn it off, or off anything but skin smoothing).

Oh and sales numbers are kinda out for 1" sensor phones, and Xiaomi used over 2/3 of all 1" sensors pre 13 Ultra since last autumn. With 13 Ultra it's expected to even increase. BBK flagships sold really bad in China and 90 pro Worldwide.

And it's clear that in low light the x6 pro ultrawide and tele just trump other phones. Much faster lenses and bigger better sensors. However I would not care less for it with China OS. Also Xiaomi 13 Ultra again got confirmed to have variable aperture in main and will too have great sensors on ultrawide and tele. For photo it should be the new king to beat. Spec wise anyhow (well video is a bigger disaster usually on Xiaomi).

 

[jericho246]

I couldn't resist any longer and ordered the Magic5 Pro in meadow green color. Should be with me by the end of the week. The price was decent in my opinion, and I really liked the Huawei phones I had in the past so it'll be nice to rediscover an Android skin (very) similar to EMUI.

 

[P6P]

I couldn't resist any longer and ordered the Magic5 Pro in meadow green color. Should be with me by the end of the week. The price was decent in my opinion, and I really liked the Huawei phones I had in the past so it'll be nice to rediscover an Android skin (very) similar to EMUI.

Good luck with it. I hope you'll be happy.

 

[luontokoodaus]

Looks like the much much better X90 Pro+ on first look.

Software Policy that promises 3 major android upgrades, 5 years of security updates vs nothing on Vivo (likely 1-2 major upgrades only). Caveat on MWC it was spotted with Android 12 out of the box - but the China OS version seems to be on Android 13. Very unlikely it will launch with Android 12.
Software stability/notificatins: Yeah Huawei/Honor isn't top but way better than Vivo.
Google: fully inbuilt on European model - no China OS spyware
Sensor: Yes it's only 1/1.12" but it has F1.6 vs F1.8 so the natural bokeh will be pretty identical. Amount of light per pixel even slightly better
Ultrawicde: a bit higher quality sensor,
Selfie sensor: much better.
Zoom: Identical but faster lens - so in theory also slightly better. F3.0 vs F3.5
Camera software: well Huawei has always been top...
Battery: 5100maH (Global version only, Chinese gets 5450) vs 4700 on X90..

Bluetooth: X90 Pro+ has 5.3 s 5.2 only on Huawei.
Wifi: some special Wifi 6 promised - but both miss Wifi 6e and Wifi 7 as it looks now
esim: Magic 5 Pro should come with e-sim and dual sim for Europe.


Price: 1200€ including VAT and warranty in Europa - price is for Germany.... (that's basically identical to China plus VAT)
Price in China: The 90 Pro+ has today dropped today with vouchers to 4500RMB on JD (quite a drop from once 6999RMB even tough it was available at 6000 right from the start - Magic 5 Pro starts at 7473RMB - don't know about discounts... Clearly in China the X90Pro+ is a bargain vs the Magic 5 Pro in price right now. S23 Ultra goes for around 78000 RMB in China for the 512GB version.


Biggest default for Magic 5 Pro: concering camera: no variable aperture! This will hurt exactly the same as on X90 Pro+. Likely Xiaomi 13 Ultra will have the better main camera due to variable aperture on the IMX 989.
Magic 5 Pro likely has small Ultrasonic fingerprint sensor only (however their face unlock should be safer - unlike Vivo that opens with a picture...)

Lmao, no.

Without Vivo's propriety camera chip + the Sony camera sensor, Honor is already garbage.

Vivo also has world's best cooling too. No Dolby Vision on Honor. Lower pixel density screen on Honor plus the weird screen resolution. Missing an entire telephoto sensor on the Honor. No Zeiss optics, no T* coating, no 8K video, only 12MP selfie camera vs 32MP on Vivo. No 32-bit/192kHz audio, no USB 3.2 and slower charging. Literally everything is different.

Plus X90PP price is already as low as 899€. I got my 512GB for 859€ after the 150€ refund.

Honor want 1200€? What?? The only thing similar about these phones is they are both from Chinese company and have same CPU.

Problems with warranty? Just buy from a reputable seller like gizoo. Problem with China? Umm, Honor's parent company is Chinese lol.

Honor has and always will be the budget **** Western stripped down Huawei clone. You are comparing apples to oranges.

I would only ever go for a Huawei over Vivo. Yet Huawei refuse to sell their best in Europe and no 5G anyway. So screw them.

Edit: Also trusting DXOMark LOL?!

 

[extremecarver]

Lmao, no.

Without Vivo's propriety camera chip + the Sony camera sensor, Honor is already garbage.

Vivo also has world's best cooling too. No Dolby Vision on Honor. Missing an entire telephoto sensor on the Honor. No Zeiss optics, no T* coating, no 8K video, only 12MP selfie camera vs 32MP on Vivo. No 32-bit/192kHz audio, no USB 3.2 and slower charging. Plus X90PP price is already as low as 899€.

Honor want 1200€? What??

Honor has and always will be the budget **** Western stripped down Huawei clone. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Alone your price comparison is ridiculous. You compare some import price of china OS to a global version. You can buy a China OS Honor too - and the price then is nearly the same. The audio recording on X90PP is clearly nothing good (no matter what codec you throw at it except if you use an external microphone), there are plently 12MP camera sensors way better than the 32MP sensor the 90PP uses (which is used also in plenty mid range BBK phonese for selfie sensor). I haven't really found any review where the selfie sensor of 90PP was winning against any other 2022/2023 flagship phones selfie sensor - no matter the megapixels...

Oh and if you're so kind, please link me a cable that allows both fast charge on 90PP AND USB 3.2 - I guess I'm just too damn stupid to find one.

 

[franagan75]

Alone your price comparison is ridiculous. You compare some import price of china OS to a global version. You can buy a China OS Honor too - and the price then is nearly the same. The audio recording on X90PP is clearly nothing good (no matter what codec you throw at it except if you use an external microphone), there are plently 12MP camera sensors way better than the 32MP sensor the 90PP uses (which is used also in plenty mid range BBK phonese for selfie sensor). I haven't really found any review where the selfie sensor of 90PP was winning against any other 2022/2023 flagship phones selfie sensor - no matter the megapixels...

Oh and if you're so kind, please link me a cable that allows both fast charge on 90PP AND USB 3.2 - I guess I'm just too damn stupid to find one.

This live is a great terminal and very complete at all levels, please do not say more stupidities, thanks

 

[luontokoodaus]

The cable it comes with is fine, it does both USB 3.2 plus 6A charging. Also not surprising that you can't find a cable for the phone that fits its specs. Here, this also works fine: https://tietotekniikkatavaratalo.fi...elements-linq-usb-c-to-c-3-2-pd-100w-cbl.html

You compared 3 of the what, 12 points I made. 3x less MP camera better huh? You should go buy an iPhone then with that attitude

Yes why should I pay 24% VAT on a phone I can get for cheaper? The price alone is a huge difference. I'm paying 24% more for less.

Ask yourself instead why anyone should pay 1200€ for all those downgraded features I mentioned. The 32bit DAC sounds great to me!

 

[extremecarver]

This live is a great terminal and very complete at all levels, please do not say more stupidities, thanks

So then maybe you can link me a fast charge capable USB 3.2 cable? Or backup that ridiculous price claim? X90PP in China goes for 6000RMB - Magic 5 Pro can be found for around 6200RMB... Import prices are accordingly.

 

[extremecarver]

The cable it comes with is fine, it does both USB 3.2 plus 6A charging.

The cable that comes with the 90PP surely can fast charge - but it surely is only doing USB 2.0 speeds. Well documented here in older threads.

The cable you linked is PD3.0 compatible, clearly not Vivo Fast charge because they have different PIN configuration. That's the whole problem about the Vivo or Oppo as well as older Xiaomi fast charging. It's not only about the voltage/ampere. A PD 3.0 compatible cable will charge at around 18-19w max (same as a PD 3.0 charger with the Vivo cable).

 

[extremecarver]

Yes why should I pay 24% VAT on a phone I can get for cheaper? The price alone is a huge difference. I'm paying 24% more for less.

Ask yourself instead why anyone should pay 1200€ for all those downgraded features I mentioned. The 32bit DAC sounds great to me!

If you compare prices, then compare prices of both phones imported. I just looked up the pricing on jd.com - the magic 5 pro costs 5199RMB while the Vivo X90 Pro+ costs 5999RMB. The Magic 5 Pro actually is a lot cheaper, anyone can see you compare apples to oranges. If your horizon ends at Trading Shenzen and they don't have Magic 5 Pro and then you compare with Magic 5 Pro list price - well it surely does one thing. It shows your skills and working attitude.

 

[franagan75]

If you compare prices, then compare prices of both phones imported. I just looked up the pricing on jd.com - the magic 5 pro costs 5199RMB while the Vivo X90 Pro+ costs 5999RMB. The Magic 5 Pro actually is a lot cheaper, anyone can see you compare apples to oranges. If your horizon ends at Trading Shenzen and they don't have Magic 5 Pro and then you compare with Magic 5 Pro list price - well it surely does one thing. It shows your skills and working attitude.

You can give away the vivo and buy another mobile and problem solved if so bad is the vivo

 

[extremecarver]

You can give away the vivo and buy another mobile and problem solved if so bad is the vivo

I will do so in 2 months - latest 3 months (except Pixel 8 Pro will be announced to run on Samsung GAAFET 3nm). But it doesn't make sense to compare Europe price with China import price.

JD.com is the best source for China prices - add 10-30% and you get Europe import price (because importers will buy a bit cheaper and there are sometimes offers in China). All base config:
The X90PP usually costs 5999RMB - I think there was a limited offer once for 5000RMB.
Xiaomi 13 Pro costs 5399RMB (not sure about offers)
Honor Magic 5 Pro costs 5199RMB on offer right now (not sure how long that offer will last)
Samsung S23 Ultra starts at 7399RMB
Oppo Find X6 Pro 5999RMB
Xiaomi 13 Ultra so far is only in presale....

It's clear that the Magic 5 Pro or Xiaomi 13 Pro as an import model should be same price or cheaper as Vivo X90 PP. Oppo Find X6 Pro has same price as X90PP but less chance for offers in China. Import price should be about the same or a little more (no offers yet)).


Quoting a price of 1200€ for Honor Magic 5 Pro for global veresion can only be compared to X90 Pro. And well I sure know I would prefer Magic 5 Pro over X90 Pro but for 1200€ would not touch eiter of those phones. That's more expensive than S23 Ultra which in China costs way more than the rest of those phones.


However if you compare prices in Europe actually and not RRP - then Magic 5 Pro costs virtually the same as X90 Pro for the global models - X90 Pro being 11€ cheaper at 1066€.

Honor Magic 5 Pro ab € 893,87 (2023) | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

✔ Preisvergleich für Honor Magic 5 Pro ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Betriebssystem: Android 13.0 (ab Werk) • Display: 6.81", 2848x1312 Pixel, 1.07 Mrd. Farben, OLED, kapazit… ✔ Handys ohne Vertrag ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

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Vivo X90 Pro Legendary Black ab € 1073,00 (2023) | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

✔ Preisvergleich für Vivo X90 Pro Legendary Black ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Betriebssystem: Android 13.0 (ab Werk) • Display: 6.78", 2800x1260 Pixel, 1.07 Mrd. Farben, AMOLED, kapaz… ✔ Handys ohne Vertrag ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

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With Xiaomi 13 Pro even more expensive for global model in Europe at 1134€:

Xiaomi 13 Pro ab € 1079,90 (2023) | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

✔ Preisvergleich für Xiaomi 13 Pro ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Betriebssystem: Android 13.0 (ab Werk) • Display: 6.73", 3200x1440 Pixel, 1.07 Mrd. Farben, AMOLED, kapaz… ✔ Handys ohne Vertrag ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

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It's easily visibl that if we take China prices as reference Honor is having the smallest extra margin (because Vivo X90 Pro goes for 4899RMB right now and was available already for 4200). Vivo, Oppo, Xiaomi right now on global models overprice like crazy. And then Vivo dosen't even sell its top model. While Oppo (not yet), Honor and Xiaomi do. However Oppo maybe having to stop soon due to Nokia patent infringements (not only in Germany). So if there is one company that overcharges it's customers in europe like crazy it's vivo. 4200 RMB=557€ - so they charge nearly double for a spyware free global version. Oneplus is more in footsteps of Honor when it comes to European pricing (Oneplus 11 in Europe right now for 757€ vs 399RMB in China) while Motorola goes overboard too (3399 for X40 vs 816€ in Europe).

 

[luontokoodaus]

In 2 months you'll be complaining about the Pixel.