XCam LG v6.2.4 [G3]

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KaosStorm

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Hey everyone.

Just installed XCam due to some slowdown issues with the stock camera on FulMics 6.5. I first installed the apk version and then flashed the system version to get access to SD write premissions but XCam still won't save the photos on my SD (and I see no option to change the save location). Should I reflash the sys version to see if I get the option to save pics on my SD?

Thanks for the help.
 
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KaosStorm said:
Hey everyone.

Just installed XCam due to some slowdown issues with the stock camera on FulMics 6.5. I first installed the apk version and then flashed the system version to get access to SD write premissions but XCam still won't save the photos on my SD (and I see no option to change the save location). Should I reflash the sys version to see if I get the option to save pics on my SD?

Thanks for the help.
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Yes. Flashable version gives you the ability to save to external sd.
 
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kostelo said:
Yes. Flashable version gives you the ability to save to external sd.
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That is indeed correct, but even if I flash that version, it won't let me.

I tried removing both apps (apk and flashable) and THEN flash again and I've noticed that while the XCam app is indeed inside the system folder, it just won't appear on my app drawer. Hence, I imagined, the app that I was opening from the start was the one installed by apk.
 
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Hello, is anyone here who has problem with video recording? There are annoying static /cackling noises in the video's sound, some kind of bouncing noise, usually in the first part of the video recording. Is there any solution, or settings to fix this or it is a hardware issue? The stock camera app does it too, but this issue is always only in the first video, the second and the others are always perfect...
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Since the stock app is also doing this, I would try reverting to a 100% stock kernel and fw first. I suppose it's also possible that it's a hardware issue, but it's odd that it's only the first video.

Ippolito1971 said:
Ok I'm back to an LG device (former G3 owner/user and purchased XCam of course) and would love for XCam to support the V20. Any chance this is possible @xdabbeb?
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I don't have any plans to, no. I generally only work on devices I currently own, which at this point is still just the G2/3. Doesn't the stock v20 app already have full manual?

KaosStorm said:
That is indeed correct, but even if I flash that version, it won't let me.



I tried removing both apps (apk and flashable) and THEN flash again and I've noticed that while the XCam app is indeed inside the system folder, it just won't appear on my app drawer. Hence, I imagined, the app that I was opening from the start was the one installed by apk.
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N doesn't do a particularly good job of cleaning up when you move from a user space to system install. Check for a leftover oat file and manually delete it.
 
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Ippolito1971 said:
Sounds good. Thx it's an amazing device.
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Not to be a downer about lg. I had the V10 and hopefully the corrected the fatal bootloop problem on the v20. I was going to get one until I read about the g4 having this problem and the V10. I'm back on my g3 because of this issue with LG phones. Just to bring it to your attention. Best of luck with your new phone.



Kickin it on my VS985
 
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Not to be a downer about lg. I had the V10 and hopefully the corrected the fatal bootloop problem on the v20. I was going to get one until I read about the g4 having this problem and the V10. I'm back on my g3 because of this issue with LG phones. Just to bring it to your attention. Best of luck with your new phone.



Kickin it on my VS985
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Hey man. So your aware no bootloop on thr V20 whatsoever. Quite possibly the best LG device to date. It's blazing fast and battery life is profoundly amazing. Coming from the note 7 I thought I'd be displeased but honestly I'm quite the opposite. Love the manual mode camera, storage, display, removable battery, size, and feel. All around great job by LG on this device. Thanks for heads up tho

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xdabbeb said:
Since the stock app is also doing this, I would try reverting to a 100% stock kernel and fw first. I suppose it's also possible that it's a hardware issue, but it's odd that it's only the first video.
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Yes, allways only the first video. With every camera app generate this noise, not only stock, and not only xcam. I read lots of topic about this, almost every G3 has this issue, one of them more, than others less. I watch youtube test videos, every 5th video has this issue. Here is a good sample, it's not my video, but the issue is the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNkYM6dRCYE
Most users do not even notice this bug, I heared about Note4, S4, S5, S7, has this issue too. Maybe the noise cancellation microphone is too sensitive, or it is an android bug, I dont know. I tried xcam with all audio source, but the pops/ noises are allways there.
But the rule is, only the first one has this noise :p It is wierd, If I make a 1 second video first, after that, the next ones are perfect.
 
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Great. I will test this and if i like i will buy thr extra pack.
So without flashing it no way to save to sd card ?
And also would xpose do it or i have to flash this from twrp..

Does this app has anything to do with LG XCAM phone that uses 13mp cam(may be the same cam with lg g3)? And dont have the manuel mode right
 
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XCam for K8?

Hi!

Is it possible to use the xcam app for the LG K8?
Mostly for the missing HDR feature on the stock K8 camera app...

Thanks in advance! :)
 
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thebrains9 said:
So without flashing it no way to save to sd card ?

And also would xpose do it or i have to flash this from twrp..



Does this app has anything to do with LG XCAM phone that uses 13mp cam(may be the same cam with lg g3)? And dont have the manuel mode right
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Really, it just needs to be a system app... So however you want to install it there is fine. The flashable zip (from recovery) is just the easiest.

No, this has nothing to do with the recently released LG phone with the same name.

kiksich said:
Hi!



Is it possible to use the xcam app for the LG K8?

Mostly for the missing HDR feature on the stock K8 camera app...



Thanks in advance! :)
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Hello. Unfortunately I only really work on phones I own (G2/3). You're free to try it out, but I can't guarantee it'll work properly.
 
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Well, I wanted to check that before I buy it for my father so for now I can't try it, that's the problem...

Thank's anyway! :)
 
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cant record to 60 fps 1080

Hi guys i have LG G3 F460 with custom rom based on stock and i have already installed zip xcam via recovery and the lg settings 1.66 and all working, except the 1080p60..why i cant shoot to 60 fps 1080??i am choosing the 60 fps 1080p and only shoots 33 fps..why is that??
 
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Has anyone else had any issue with the phone turning off after taking 2 pictures with Flash on? I never had this issue to just a few days ago. Now, everytime I take 2 picture in a row the phone just powers off, and I need to plug it in to get it to start the boot up cycle.

Android 5.0.1 (xCam LG 6.2.4)
 
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craftakias said:
Hi guys i have LG G3 F460 with custom rom based on stock and i have already installed zip xcam via recovery and the lg settings 1.66 and all working, except the 1080p60..why i cant shoot to 60 fps 1080??i am choosing the 60 fps 1080p and only shoots 33 fps..why is that??
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It's possible that whatever fw you're running doesn't have the profile or even that it is using a different key.
xdrfirefly said:
Has anyone else had any issue with the phone turning off after taking 2 pictures with Flash on? I never had this issue to just a few days ago. Now, everytime I take 2 picture in a row the phone just powers off, and I need to plug it in to get it to start the boot up cycle.

Android 5.0.1 (xCam LG 6.2.4)
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It's likely your battery. Camera + flash incurs one of the bigger current draws. Try a fresh battery or maybe even while plugged in.
 
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Hi xdadeb,

Why this app require this permission?
Device id & call information

Thanks

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    !!! PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE POST BEFORE PROCEEDING !!!

    NOTE: Public M Beta: See downloads below.

    My goal for this application was to create a more flexible camera solution for LG phones. The camera hardware itself is very capable, but LG didn't necessarily take full advantage of it with their software. This app extends the capabilities of the camera and offers increased control/quality.

    • For instructions on using the XCam LG Settings donation app, see the 2nd post.
    • This is ONLY for stock or stock-based firmware (the version of Android that LG provides).


    Installation:
    1. Make sure you have turned on the option for "Unknown Sources" under Settings > General > Security.

    2. Download the latest version of XCam LG to your phone that corresponds to your Android version (links below). When the download has finished, pull down your notification tray and select the file. If you can't find it, go to "Downloads" listed in your app drawer and select the file from there. This will start the install process.
    3. If you wish to support development and gain additional functionality, you can purchase the XCam LG Settings app from the play store HERE. For details on the options within this companion app, see the 2nd post.

    4. Due to changes Google made STARTING with Android 4.4.x, saving to external storage (your sdcard) is impossible without reverting the change. Fortunately, this is very easy provided you have root access. If you want to make the change yourself manually, HERE's a good explanation. You can also download NextApp's SDFix from the play store that automates the change.
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    FAQ:
    1. Why won't XCam 6.x install on my device?
      • If you're running ART on Android 4.4.x, XCam 6.x won't work. In order to make XCam compatible with the official ART included with Android 5.0.x, changes were needed that make it incompatible with the unofficial/beta implementation included with KitKat. XCam 6.x will work perfectly with the official KitKat runtime (dalvik), however. If you want to run ART on KitKat, you can still use the latest 5.x branch apk.
    2. I'm using L...where did the LiveEffect video and Shot & Clear photo modes go?
      • LG removed support framework for these modes from their L firmware. If you want them back, feel free to contact them.
    3. Will this work on AOSP?
      • No. This camera requires framework/driver support that is only in the stock LG firmware.
    4. Will you ever make it work on AOSP?
      • Though I won't say "never", I will say it's highly unlikely. Asking this question repeatedly makes it less likely.
    5. Why doesn't my screen turn on with the Vol- longpress when this is the default camera app?
      • This is due to LG hard-coding the package reference in their framework. XCam LG itself has the capability but your firmware will need to be modified to point to the new package. I have given some of the details on what to look for HERE.
    6. Why are the 60 and 120 fps video modes darker?
      • This is due to the nature of light & photography. An increase in frame rate means a faster effective shutter speed...which also means less light getting to the sensor per frame.
    7. Why doesn't the 60 fps video mode always shoot at 60 fps?
      • LG's camera driver decides when the ambient lighting is high enough to allow 60fps. All the camera app can do is request it, so it's out of my control.
    8. Why don't I have a saturation slider in the settings app?
      • As mentioned in the settings app's play store description, this is only available with the stock G2 camera driver. LG removed this capability from the G Pro 2 and the G3.
    9. Why are the icons overlapping/misaligned and why is the preview not filling the whole screen?
      • This is because you changed the default screen density/dpi for your device, which throws off the UI layout. To resolve this, you can either use the freely available App Settings xposed module to force XCam to stock (640) or modify the apk yourself using the files I have posted here as a guide. I will not be supporting these mods, however, so do not ask questions about how to make the changes or use apktool in the thread.
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    Problems/bugs/errors:
    1. Gather as much information as possible on how to reproduce the issue.
    2. If the application is force closing, get a full logcat that shows the error/problem. Here is an excellent tutorial on how to make one. There are also apps such as SysLog available in the play store that allow you to capture this on your device.
    3. Post very clear/exact steps to reproduce the problem along with logs here. If you don't have either, post in the Q & A thread.
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    Changelog:
    Version 6.2.4:
    • fix DualCam FC on KK
    • fix DNG conv for GPro2/LGL22
    • fix GPro2 LED FC
    • fix G2 LP AutoFlash FC
    • add Rule of 3rds grid toggle
    • add Max Screen Lux toggle
    • add Touch Shutter toggle (like tap-to-focus/shoot in stock G3 camera)
    • low batt check off
    • G3 front camera Beauty
    • NR on/off for more modes (device-dependent)
    • Auto HDR/Night in IA shot mode for G3 series
    Version 6.0.0:
    • Official LG Android L compatibility
    • UI refresh and new icons (thanks @60nine !!!)
    • Gesture selfie for front camera
    Version 5.2.4:
    • revert :: bump 60fps min rate higher in low-light (caused problems in certain luminance conditions)
    • fix UHD mode missing from stock g2 + 4kUHD version
    Version 5.2.3:
    • NEW:: w10m video snapshot in 1080p/720p 30fps modes
    • NEW:: manual focus in HDR, Burst, Panorama, Shot/Clear modes
    • NEW:: bump 60fps min rate higher in low-light
    • removed unused code/permissions (fix vs98511c & L crashes)
    • fix HDR edge glitch for G3
    Version 5.1.2:
    • Add Shot and Clear photo mode
    • Slightly improved quality in a few shot modes
    Version 5.1.1:
    • BugFix: FC when selecting Help in Photo mode
    • Bypass Video mode popup for Sprint users
    Version 5.1.0:
    • Added support for the LG G3
    • Redesigned icon :)
    • Support for XCam LG Settings donation app (available in Play Store)
      • Control Jpeg Compression Level (Quality), Contrast, Saturation (stock G2 camera driver only) and Sharpness.
      • Control minimum shutter speed for Burst Shot, Intelligent Auto, Night, Normal and Sports photo modes.
      • Control other camera features such as the audio noise Gate, automatic night mode, focus Lock/video recording sounds, etc.
    • Sports mode now set at min 1/30 shutter speed
    Version 5.0.0:
    • Initial release of completely new app
    • NEW Lightframe/flash mode for front camera
    • NEW Sports mode revamped
      • Set at min 1/24 shutter speed
      • For now, if you don't open the camera in Sports mode, you will need to toggle between IA mode and back to Sports to enable this faster shutter (you can also toggle between video and back)
    • Normal mode now bypasses the automatic switch to night mode in low light (and the corresponding multi-frame smoothed/nr photo).
    • Improved image quality across the board
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    Special Thanks To:
    • Brut.all & iBotPeaches - apktool
    • JesusFreke - smali/baksmali
    • 60nine - for the excellent icons and banner
    • troopii - for the color matrices and commiseration


    Please provide any feedback pertaining to bugs or feature requests as I'll be actively working on this project.

    Devs: Due to the fact that this mod is available as a normal apk install, there is no need for and I do not authorize it to be included in ANY roms/firmware. It just creates confusion for people installing it and fragments bug reporting and feature requests. You can direct them to this thread to install the latest version. Though it should go without saying, I do not approve of any use/copying of the code/methods contained herein for your own app/mod.

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    Version Information
    Status: Stable
    Current Stable Version: 6.2.4
    Stable Release Date: 2014-09-10

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    XCam LG Settings Donation App

    !!! PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE POST BEFORE PROCEEDING !!!

    The XCam LG Settings app provides something extra for those who choose to donate and support development. It allows on-the-fly configuration for many aspects of the camera that were previously unavailable.

    • This is ONLY for stock or stock-based firmware (the version of Android that LG provides)...not AOSP/CM/etc.

    Installation:
    1. Download the latest version of XCam LG Settings from the Google Play Store HERE. This will start the install process.
    2. If you want to test early releases, join the XCam LG Settings Google+ community and then follow the link found there to become a tester.
    3. If your phone/model shows as currently unsupported, please get in touch with me.
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    Usage:
    1. Image Control:
      • Quality: Change the jpeg compression level from 0 (high compression/small file size) to 100 (lowest compression/largest file size)
      • Contrast: Change the pre-processing contrast level from 0 (lowest) to 10 (highest)
      • Saturation: Change the pre-processing saturation level from 0 (greyscale) to 10 (highly saturated). This option is not available on all devices/drivers.
      • Sharpness: Change the pre-processing sharpness level from 0 (lowest) to 36 (highest)
    2. Shutter Control:
      • Burst/IA/Night/Normal/Sports: Change the minimum shutter speed for the corresponding shotmode. This is useful if you want to capture faster-moving subjects in lower light situations and don't want the camera to automatically shift to it's slowest possible shutter speed (~ 1/7 sec). Keep in mind that increasing this speed obviously means darker photos. Some interesting results can be achieved by leaving "Auto Night Mode" (described in next section) enabled while setting the minimum shutter speed of Normal mode to 1/30. The multiple exposures of night mode and the corresponding noise reduction still kick in, but the focus time is improved. Due to edge issues these photos are best if cropped.
    3. Bitrate Control:
      • Change the bitrate for UHD (if supported by your device), FHD60fps, FHD30fps, HD120fps (slo-mo), HD60fps, and HD30fps modes. NOTE :: You can only go as high as your firmware/rom allows for. NO app can override this. To change this, you'll have to edit the maxBitRate for the h264 encoder in your media_profiles.xml.
    4. Photo options:
      • Auto Night Mode: Toggle the automatic drop into Night for the Normal shotmode ON/OFF.
      • Noise Reduction: Toggle photo wavelet noise reduction ON/OFF. This will work on many (but not all shotmodes)...Normal, Panorama, HDR, Night and IA. NOTE :: Turning this off bypasses all post-processing. This includes sharpness, contrast, zoom, etc.
      • Normal Mode Raw: Toggle raw bayer mode ON/OFF for Normal shotmode. They will NOT have a preview image as your gallery app can't read them. The resulting files will have a .dng extension and will be in the /sdcard/DCIM/Camera/dng/ directory. You can use your file manager of choice to browse to this directory and open them with the free version of PhotoShop Express from the Play Store or view/edit them on your computer. The library I wrote to convert our camera's mipi raw to dng is based on ille's raspiraw binary, which in turn is based on sample code by Dave Coffin (creator of dcraw).
      • Chroma Flash: Toggle chroma flash ON/OFF (G2 Advanced KK driver and GPro2 KK only)
      • Focus Lock Sound: Toggle the sound heard when touch focus locks ON/OFF
      • Night Mode: Toggle the night shotmode availability under the mode button ON/OFF
      • Sports Mode: Toggle the sports shotmode availability under the mode button ON/OFF
    5. Video options:
      • Continuous Focus: This is the default focus mode for video that adjusts continually based on both your and your subjects' movement. Turn it off to access the following mode
      • Fixed Focus: When continuous focus is OFF and this is ON, video mode will be set at a fixed/infinity focal point. When both continuous AND this is turned OFF, the focal point can be set while in photo mode and when you switch to video it will hold that focal point.
      • Audio Source: Select any of the available audio sources listed HERE. If you're looking for the equivalent of the previous Noise Gate Toggle, select Mic. This allows control over the sometimes objectionable "underwater audio" effect.
      • Stereo Mics: Toggle between stereo (ON) and mono (OFF) if supported by your device.
      • Audio Rec Check: Toggle the check for another app using the microphone ON/OFF. This can alleviate the "Cannot start recording while another application is using audio" message encountered when the "OK Google" Detection from any screen option is enabled under Google Now. Keep in mind that this is enabled for a reason, and that videos recorded while this check is bypassed may stutter slightly.
      • Recording Sound: Toggle the sound heard when starting/stopping video recording ON/OFF
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    Problems:
    1. Gather as much information as possible on how to reproduce the issue.
    2. If the application is force closing, get a full logcat that shows the error/problem. Here is an excellent tutorial on how to make one. There are also apps such as CatLog available in the play store that allow you to capture this on your device.
    3. Post very clear/exact steps to reproduce the problem here along with any pertinent log files or email them to [email protected].
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    Changelog:
    Version 1.6.5:
    • G2 Advanced LP support
    • One-time reset of prefs
    • Remove G2 LP raw (LG broke it). I will keep working on it.
    • NEW:: Audio Source toggle (device-dependent)
    • NEW:: UHD 5min limit toggle
    Version 1.5.2:
    • Save raw in dng format
    Version 1.4.0:
    • XCam LG 6.0.0 push
    Version 1.3.5:
    • NEW:: save raw in Normal ShotMode
    • NEW:: disable photo NR
    • NEW:: adjust video bitrate
    • NEW:: video focus: toggle continuous, fixed/infinity and lock from photo mode.
    • improved update/model checks
    • layout change/cleanup
    Version 1.2.0:
    • Add automatic update check for XCam LG app
    • Adjusted min shutter speeds for stock G2 camera driver
    • Fix camera driver quirk that could cause "cannot connect" error after first run of settings app on certain devices.
    • Detailed licensing errors with links to contact Google directly in the event of a problem.
    Version 1.1.0:
    • Add stereo/mono microphone option for video
    Version 1.0.1:
    • Add support for LG G3
    • Thank you toast only on first run
    • Fix links in Menu > About
    Version 1.0.0:
    • Initial release
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    Public M BETA posted in OP. A few notes...

    SD CARD ACCESS:
    Due to the fact that Google changed external storage (yet again) with M, the only way to get external sd card write access is by installing XCam as a system app. If you're rooted, that's not a problem. Just flash the zip provided in the OP after first uninstalling any existing version. If you are NOT rooted, install the apk version as usual. If you have a sd card installed you will need to manually switch to internal storage as your external storage will report as read-only. I can't say if there will be an option for non-rooted users at this time as all of the workarounds are far less than ideal. Using SAF/DocumentsProvider is slower and so isn't a good solution for a camera app that needs to write large bytestreams quickly. Using the app-specific getExternalFilesDir is flawed as the minute the app is uninstalled, your photos are deleted. And before you suggest it...NO, simply providing a warning to people that this is a consequence is not an acceptable solution as you won't be the one fielding the rants of those who lost a year's worth of photos. It would be irresponsible to do this. I will continue to look into a viable alternative, however. If anyone has any insight into this, please EMAIL me.

    KNOWN ISSUES:

    • Occasional rotation and surfaceview shuffling UI glitches (the multi-window focus rectangles and grid will get tucked behind the preview). I will look into these, but they are just cosmetic. Tapping the screen puts it in order
    • Screen lux ---> Max similarly won't kick in until you tap the screen somewhere. Likely related to the first.
    • I had to dumb down burst mode (now called continuous shot). It only takes 6 photos at a lower res for now. This is a low-priority fix, however.
    Please let me know what other issues you encounter, but ONLY with clear instructions to reproduce ALONG with a log. Thanks!






    cashflow67 said:
    @xdabbeb What is jpeg compression for free Xcam Lg Settings v1.6.5? I have LG G3 unrooted and downloaded lollipop apk file from OP.
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    There is no "free" settings app, so you're using a pirated copy. If you want to support development, you can get the app from the play store.
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    Flowwwie said:
    Every single RAW decoder I have tried (including dcraw) give me an unsupported file format error.
    Super helpful guide you got there for all us who have payed to assist you, make me regret my purchase not because the work's not there but because I can't use it.
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    So, because you can't figure out how to use one feature amongst the many others included in the camera it's my fault? Something for you to keep in mind is that this is a development site, not a hand-holding site. If you can't figure something out on your own, try asking for help in the appropriate manner and place. Reading is also a requisite here. In fact, if you had read just one page worth of recent posts you would've seen that the next version will make it easier for those unable/unwilling to decode the raw files on their own.

    As for your tale of regret/woe...give me a break. It's a voluntary donation app and includes far more than just raw so it's unfounded. Comments like these certainly have made many devs regret sharing their work, however.
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