Z8 - omate clone $150 ?

[simple1i]

Is this a clone of the Omate?

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wear...MA-3G-Bluetooth-MTK6572-3-0Mp/1815740935.html

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[funky0308]

Probably yeah...I won't be surprised if it's 99% TS...
Who cares for backers when you can take the money from 3rd party seller and no one can't do anything about it...

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[Lokifish Marz]

Omate doesn't make these devices. Pretty much anybody with enough money can buy these from Umeox/Mediatek in bulk and brand them as their own.

 

[simple1i]

Omate doesn't make these devices. Pretty much anybody with enough money can buy these from Umeox/Mediatek in bulk and brand them as their own.

Will the omate, aw...etc custom rom work with the z8? I mean I could try but it would be a waste of 150 bucks.

 

[llepen]

Copycat

Omate doesn't make these devices. Pretty much anybody with enough money can buy these from Umeox/Mediatek in bulk and brand them as their own.

This is NOT a X201. This is a low end copycat by a "shanzai" bandit company.

 

[Lokifish Marz]

@llepen
So this was the 1:1 copy you mentioned elsewhere? I didn't examine the images in detail so my mistake. Wonder who they are sourcing the PCBA's through.

 

[llepen]

@llepen
So this was the 1:1 copy you mentioned elsewhere? I didn't examine the images in detail so my mistake. Wonder who they are sourcing the PCBA's through.

yes 1:1 copycat of the 512MB+4GB not made by us (Umeox factory) but by a local PCB maker which has copied the circuitry (even the design flaws), it's common in China so we usually add one or two resistors that we actually do not connect to make them lose more time figuring out why we added them. That's the funny part, the problem with the firmware we provide, they can boot it on their units... real bandit work

 

[cosurgi]

smart! you should have added more incorrct resistors. To the point wher they burn whole device

 

[simple1i]

MT6572 - Umeox x201??

Could you please clarify...

MT6572 is the chipset used in these units, right?

Umeox x201 is the firmware or stock ROM used on these units?

TrueSmart, Sim Valley AW-414/420, Vapirius AX-3, XTouch are variants of ...?

What other variants are out there?

Thank you.

 

[Lokifish Marz]

x201 is the Umeox model number.


AW-414/TrueSmart prototype sample 512/4 2100

TrueSmart final release 1/8 1900

 

[cosurgi]

which part you dont't understand?

1. that they have stolen the PCB design to make a perfect 1:1 copy of omate truesmart

2. or that the stolen design had two design flaws introduced specifically on purpose, to make this stealing useless?

your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes.

 

[trent999]

which part you dont't understand?

1. that they have stolen the PCB design to make a perfect 1:1 copy of omate truesmart

2. or that the stolen design had two design flaws introduced specifically on purpose, to make this stealing useless?

your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes.

Well, the stolen design has the same spurious resistors on it the real x201s have, so unless the thieves have connected them up in a way that is different from how the x201s were wired, the result is the same.

In any case, don't buy a cheaper knock-off of an x201 device from these thieves. They are cheaper for a reason.

You will find you have the same problems with the firmware as us TrueSmart owners do, anyway. Buy a used TrueSmart off eBay and it will probably be cheaper anyway.

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[simple1i]

Open and honest.

@ Lokifish Marz - Thanks for the answer

which part you dont't understand?

1. that they have stolen the PCB design to make a perfect 1:1 copy of omate truesmart

2. or that the stolen design had two design flaws introduced specifically on purpose, to make this stealing useless?

your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes.

@ cosurgi - I asked what X201 meant and about the variants - you're so intoxicated with your ranting that you didn't read the questions. You should really vent your frustrations at the manufacturers of the Z8.

Most company's copy each other even Apple, Google. Your real issue is not the 'stealing', but rather that they copied something that you may be associated too, else you'd be complaining about a lot of company's even your own who I'm sure at some point have copied something.

If you have any measurable proofs that the Z8 is inferior to the x201, please enlighten us? I'm not saying that the Z8 is better nor that the Omate is better, because I don't have any evidence.

As user 'trent999' pointed out your claim that "your Z8 has faulty transistors in it. It won't work sometimes" is also untrue. If the Z8 manufacturers have acted illegally then you need to deal with them directly if there is a patent or any type of copyright on the x201?

XDA is based in openness without prejudice, anyone can one post any copied device or software as long as its legal to do so without having to feel any repercussions. You're feedback/reply is most welcome, but with a little professionalism please. :fingers-crossed:

 

[fg]

@ Lokifish Marz - Thanks for the answer
XDA is based in openness without prejudice, anyone can one post any copied device or software as long as its legal to do so without having to feel any repercussions. You're feedback/reply is most welcome, but with a little professionalism please. :fingers-crossed:

I've been a member of the xda forums for a very long time, although I am not an active contributor as anyone can tell from my post count. While this post adds nothing to your original thread, I wanted to comment on how welcome your reply was. It's been a long time since I've seen a response to a rant so well written in both syntax and tone. For a moment I was transported to 2005 with an HTC Wizard in my pocket!

Thanks Again,
--fg

 

[cosurgi]

please accept my apologies.

Also I'm sympathetic to omate, because creating the PCB design was expensive, and the thieves didn't need to pay that upfront cost.

Of course would be much better if it was open sourced (the PCB) but it is difficult to find experts willing to work for free IMHO.

Ideal if omate paid experts and immediately open sourced their PCB design, but IMHO that's a receipe for suicide, since other manufacturers didn't pay the experts so they can sell their units for lower price.

 

[pizzaman79]

Well they do a better job of being honest about the specs, such as megapixels of the camera, not being waterproof, processor speed MHz, additional accessories, companion app still not working, Play store, etc, etc. And their shipment dates are probably also not half a year off. So I'm many ways this "fake" watch is actually more honest and real than the Omate version.

 

[simple1i]

please accept my apologies.

Also I'm sympathetic to omate, because creating the PCB design was expensive, and the thieves didn't need to pay that upfront cost.

Of course would be much better if it was open sourced (the PCB) but it is difficult to find experts willing to work for free IMHO.

Ideal if omate paid experts and immediately open sourced their PCB design, but IMHO that's a receipe for suicide, since other manufacturers didn't pay the experts so they can sell their units for lower price.

@cosurgi - No love lost here. - it is really really tough when ones hard work seems to be or goes unappreciated.
@pizzaman79 - it must be annoying waiting so long and its no compensation, but most large projects, ventures are delayed, due to the sheer complexity from planning to delivery to post support. I'm sure Laurent Le Pen is under a lot of pressure trying to deliver on time.

I take it you're still waiting for yours?

It is amazing how much technology they have packed into a little device. If the battery life was longer (and i know its difficult without changing the thickness) it would be a legend of a device - minus the delivery issues. :fingers-crossed:

 

[pizzaman79]

it must be annoying waiting so long and its no compensation, but most large projects, ventures are delayed, due to the sheer complexity from planning to delivery to post support. I'm sure Laurent Le Pen is under a lot of pressure trying to deliver on time.

I take it you're still waiting for yours?

It is amazing how much technology they have packed into a little device. If the battery life was longer (and i know its difficult without changing the thickness) it would be a legend of a device - minus the delivery issues. :fingers-crossed:

I got mine a few days ago. I think it's an amazing piece of hardware. If only they would have been more honest in the pr. Now they had to announce disappointment after disappointment. It's quite a long list if you add it all up. And that's such a shame, because what happens at a psychological level is this:
People read about the TrueSmart on Kickstarter and get excited and become a backer. Then they get disappointing news ten times in a row. One happy feeling, followed by ten sad feelings. Until all the excitement is gone.

It would be better to start with lower expectations and maybe 25% less backers, and add positive news after positive news so people and the press get more and more excited in stead of less and less.

Tl;Dr the hardware is great, but will it be good enough to make up for the psychology of their pr?

 

[simple1i]

"Shame shame I know your name"

So for new buyers the following issue still remain?

1. 1GB version runs 1Ghz instead of 1.3 Ghz

2. Not certified dust or waterproof.

3. Using the charging cradle doesn't allow pressing the buttons while charging, such as to snooze or disable an alarm.

4. Inserting a SD card voids the warranty for water resistance.

5. Have to apply the security patch.

Any others issues?

Would there be any benefit in buying the Z8 to compare? They only have the 512MB /4GB model. I reckon other than point 3 above it'll be very similar.

 

[simple1i]

Between the EC309 & Omate + other x201 models which yields better battery life in real life use?

Is there an alternative to the Omate?