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Planterz

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ATTENTION: Discussion about this device has moved.

Please direct further discussion to this thread:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/zte-zmax-z970-guide-faq-discussion-t3053066


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I just came across this phone on T-Mobile's website, released earlier this week.

5.7" 720x1280 (258ppi) TFT screen
Quad core Snapdragon 400 1.2GHz, Adreno 305
2GB RAM
16GB built-in storage, microSD card up to 32GB
8MP camera, 1080p video
Android 4.4.2
LTE on band 4 and T-Mo's upcoming band 12 (and a couple other bands used by other companies in North America)

All for $252 off-contract (or $10.50/mo over 2 years).

I gotta say, I'm intrigued by this new phone. There's some obvious drawbacks/shortcuts; it's big for the screen size, the camera isn't fantastic, the screen is a bit dim/bland (according to a cnet review), no NFC, etc. But it's got a frugal, adequate processor with a big battery, runs a lightly skinned, nearly stock Android, has LTE (and T-Mo's LTE speeds here are amazing) and best of all, 2GB RAM, so it shouldn't lag or stutter.

I'm somewhat interested in this phone for myself, but I'll probably just wait to get a Nexus Shamu. But a friend (who's broke) of mine wants a bigass phone to watch Netflix on and play some games and emulators. Obviously the lowish pixel density is a drawback, but for what he'd use it for, it's perfectly fine.

For $252, this seems like an amazing bargain. Where else are you going to find a phablet with LTE at this price? But I'm not very familiar with ZTE. Build quality, longevity, software stability, updates, etc, are all in question for me.

Has anyone picked one up yet, or checked one out at a T-Mobile store? What have been your impressions on other ZTE devices?
 
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Planterz

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On that note - AND BACK ON TOPIC... I know @Planterz said he was probably done with this thread, but - Can we append the top post with all the common fallacies, fakery, nonsense, jibberish and questions we're all tired of answering for the 20th time? As a first step, mentioning all the links to fake roots like "unlockr" will stop the many "Has anyone tried this yet?" posts that seem to permeate this thread.

If someone wants to write up a FAQ or device guide or whatever, I'd be happy to add it to the original post. Obviously writing it all myself isn't something I'm interested in doing.

A better idea might be to start a new "Development and Discussion" thread, with said FAQ/guide in the OP, which I'll link to in the first post in this thread, then ask that this thread be locked down. The person who starts that thread should be someone willing to be the custodian of FAQ/Guide in the first post (like, perhaps, someone who actually owns the phone). This thread hasn't been "mine" for a long time now.

This has certainly been one crazy thread. It started with me - only because noone else had - asking for anybody's opinions of this phone, on behalf of a friend. 2300 posts later (probably 2400 if you count the ones that got "cleaned") and I think it has kinda run full circle. No closer to root, everybody just scratching their heads wondering what to do - what they can do. Believe it or not, 2300+ posts, and I've read every one, although I unsubscribed a few weeks ago (the constant notifications were keeping me awake).

As for me, I ordered a OnePlus One on Tuesday. Already have some ROMs and kernels downloaded and ready to flash. Good luck with the ZMAX.
 
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I've been closesly watching this thread... Hoping for a root or some progress..
I have a ZTE but not a zMax, but similar set up, locked boot loader, towel root fails, the like.

I would like a new thread focused on development, and definitely not so off topic.

I was hopeful when i found how active this thread is, and then it degraded...
 

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If @jcase has root why isn't he sharing? Has there been any proof? I don't get why he won't share his exploit.

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@jcase already stated that in its current state his method of root is non transferable and unusable for any other phones. It's the way he went about it that is difficult and it is not possible to do on any phone that is not in his hands. Some exploits are difficult to reproduce that's just a fact. And he also stated that to make it user friendly, well say, and incorporate it in his app would take a month or more of work which is time and effort that he is not willing to put forth for a phone he cares nothing about.
And I'm sure the rude and degrading posts didn't help in persuading him to help us at all!

At least that is what I got out of his posts a week or so ago when he stated that he obtained root. But I am obviously inferring some of the above but I believe I'm correct in my assumptions.

Also most of you think that root is this one click easy method of exploiting the phone to obtain root and it can be yet not always is.

And all of you calling for a new thread will get the same result as this thread. This phone, this community does not have anyone that remotely knows what they are doing or even where to start in obtaining root functions for the Zmax. So I really don't see a need for another thread as you will just be starting over and end up going through all of the same exact things this thread has already gone though. Until we get a true DEVELOPER to get to work on this thing we won't be achieving root. And to believe other wise is just an exercise in futility. This thread is a general help thread and that's all it will ever be, plain and simple.

Sometimes the truth hurts but someone has to say this stuff because the level of fantasy and hope here is just not realistic.

Because Flat out you guys, whomever it was, that pissed off @jcase and the one guy who actually believed a CSR that ZTE was gonna unlock the bootloader to this phone, those are the people that screwed this whole thread and all its followers over! So be sure to thank them when you get mad about no root everyone!
 
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If @jcase has root why isn't he sharing? Has there been any proof? I don't get why he won't share his exploit.

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I've been dealing with serious medical issues, ive even ended up in the hospital because of them. I release things on my own time, and since they are my own no one is entitled to them. What i have for the ZTE is working but it is not in a release state, would still require a few hours of work to get it into that state that just anyone could run it and get root. I don't have the energy, nor at this point the care to do it when people are rude.

Instead of understanding that I am dealing with things more serious and important than a phone in life, people wanted to be rude. Last time people wanted to be rude while waiting for me to get stuff done was the Sony Z1s, my response was to send the details to Sony, and get myself on their security "hall of fame". I have no reason to release things when it stops being fun for me, as it did in this case. I did release it, after about 8 months or so, long after Sony patched it.

Proof? What proof do you want? Video/photo of root checker? I could patch the apk and fake that. Dump of something? Its well known i have emmc read/write hardware, I could just hook the phone up and dump everything, or even install su through that! The only valid proof is a proof of concept, period, and im not releasing that.
 

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Sorry for not wanting to see if you guys said this yet but... Now that the open source is out for the ZMAX (Z970), is there nothing we can do with that?
Its been out and that doesn't help in the least with root. That helps in building Rom and kernels depending on if it's kernel source or Aosp source. Which well never get Rom source for this phone so. Unless I'm wrong and don't know about the latter.
But either way it doesn't help for root M8!
 
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I've been dealing with serious medical issues, ive even ended up in the hospital because of them. I release things on my own time, and since they are my own no one is entitled to them. What i have for the ZTE is working but it is not in a release state, would still require a few hours of work to get it into that state that just anyone could run it and get root. I don't have the energy, nor at this point the care to do it when people are rude.

Instead of understanding that I am dealing with things more serious and important than a phone in life, people wanted to be rude. Last time people wanted to be rude while waiting for me to get stuff done was the Sony Z1s, my response was to send the details to Sony, and get myself on their security "hall of fame". I have no reason to release things when it stops being fun for me, as it did in this case. I did release it, after about 8 months or so, long after Sony patched it.

Proof? What proof do you want? Video/photo of root checker? I could patch the apk and fake that. Dump of something? Its well known i have emmc read/write hardware, I could just hook the phone up and dump everything, or even install su through that! The only valid proof is a proof of concept, period, and im not releasing that.

So sorry about your health troubles brother....And even more sorry for the immature, rude and disparaging remarks, demands, and sense of entitlement that way too many people have posted. I honestly don't understand why the moderators have even allowed this thread to continue. Perhaps the low price of this device has attracted those of low character rarely seen ,or tolerated in other forums. I truly hope for your speedy recovery, as that is what is most important. I'TS JUST A DAMN PHONE PEOPLE!
 

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@jcase

I wish you the best in your struggles and recovery mate. I've dealt with medical issues myself and am still doing so 3 years later. My suggestion is relax and try your best to heal up and get your body back into tip top shape. Get well soon @jcase and get back into actions of life. Take care mate.
 

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@jcase already stated that in its current state his method of root is non transferable and unusable for any other phones. It's the way he went about it that is difficult and it is not possible to do on any phone that is not in his hands. Some exploits are difficult to reproduce that's just a fact. And he also stated that to make it user friendly, well say, and incorporate it in his app would take a month or more of work which is time and effort that he is not willing to put forth for a phone he cares nothing about.
And I'm sure the rude and degrading posts didn't help in persuading him to help us at all!

At least that is what I got out of his posts a week or so ago when he stated that he obtained root. But I am obviously inferring some of the above but I believe I'm correct in my assumptions.

Also most of you think that root is this one click easy method of exploiting the phone to obtain root and it can be yet not always is.

And all of you calling for a new thread will get the same result as this thread. This phone, this community does not have anyone that remotely knows what they are doing or even where to start in obtaining root functions for the Zmax. So I really don't see a need for another thread as you will just be starting over and end up going through all of the same exact things this thread has already gone though. Until we get a true DEVELOPER to get to work on this thing we won't be achieving root. And to believe other wise is just an exercise in futility. This thread is a general help thread and that's all it will ever be, plain and simple.

Sometimes the truth hurts but someone has to say this stuff because the level of fantasy and hope here is just not realistic.

Because Flat out you guys, whomever it was, that pissed off @jcase and the one guy who actually believed a CSR that ZTE was gonna unlock the bootloader to this phone, those are the people that screwed this whole thread and all its followers over! So be sure to thank them when you get mad about no root everyone!
GREAT post. Reality.
 

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I just purchased this phone and I gotta admit I like it a lot especially for the price it just sucks that there is no root available at the moment. I really appreciate anything that any devs can do to bring root to the zte zmax. and I am willing to donate as i am sure many othere are so don't let other people discourage you from doing what you do best
 

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    I tried getting as much confirmation from the ZTE guy as I could.

    He wasn't lying, if his information was accurate.

    As far as the tmo rep at the CEO of tmo's office, we may consider her cc mail to me, was a official response to my complaint of unlocking bl and she was responding to the FCC on the complaint. Note it is dated back on Feb. 4, 2015 . I believe it was the same time as the other Executive Response email came from other user here. Also note I left her tmo ceo number showing in attached jpg of her email cc to me.
    Here is her c.c. email to FCC attached.


    I got this same email in PDF form before the FCC complaint when I receive the true followup from T-Mobile via snail mail which takes 1-2weeks so roughly 1 week left, I will scan it and upload. I can promise you it will be happening and am actually waiting for the file from ZTE engineering department as we speak. I had a conference with ZTE's tech support and that department earlier today. As I said once and will say again, I have no reason to troll. I will say however if I get one more threat or accusation that says otherwise I will disregard this thread only reply to a few people in this thread that have been here with me from day one.

    Also like to point out root has been obtained on this phone for over 3 weeks. The reason its still to be posted is it being worked into a app and its not perm yet. If you guys can't be patient and support the people fighting and helping you out do not comment or go buy a mainstream phone with more support.
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    I'm not going to read all those posts above.

    So here is what i ahve to say,

    I was told over and over that an unlock was coming out.
    I've been battling multiple lung infections since late december.
    I have work, family etc.
    I was just in an car accident (my poor truck!, hopefully i get it back monday!)
    I have other things I have to complete at this time (SunShine3)
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    Everyone needs to understand that we aren't dealing with mom and pop companies here. These are multi billion dollar corporations. People, myself included, said that we were emailing about kernel source for months, did you all break out the pitch forks when it didn't happen when you wanted it to? No. Give him a break. I doubt any of you got as far as he did in terms of getting a response, and he did this with his own time, so don't give him all this flack because it makes people not want to work on behalf of you, which is the opposite of what XDA stands for.

    He gave us a screenshot of his email to them. Could he have faked it? Maybe. But for what? I have faith in him, and if they put in the letter that they can't do it, then so be it. It just lights more fuel for us to use to fight for what we want like the petition did. We got kernel source, which is the absolute hardest thing to get from an OEM. BL is just going to require some patience. I don't know how much root is riding on the bootloader unlock, but if it's anything like HTC, meaning you had to unlock your phone through htcdev.com in order for root programs to work, then Root will follow. [emoji2]

    Last thing, it is likely that ZTE (or T-Mo) is having to concoct a method to unlock the bootloader in the first place. NO button combination gets us to it, which means its registered as a low level mode that only they probably have access to. They'd have to set up a user friendly way of doing it, kind of like HTC does (using them as a reference again), and even the way devs manipulate Samsung Kies to flash rooted firmware. Its better than nothing. This is not over night. I've only written a script once and it was a headache inducing process. Can you imagine having to reposition employees and dedicate them to creating a GUI for a bootloader unlocking program (or even a website), something I'm sure they didn't factor in at the board meetings, whether its T-Mo or ZTE producing it, just to satisfy customers. They might not be perfect, but they have your money and they have waved the white flag with the kernel source, which shows us they can cooperate. Give them, the FCC, T-Mobile AND ESPECIALLY the guy that even brought these two conglomerates to the table a break will ya? He doesn't deserve all this doubt, nay say and threatening, because he doesn't get a dime from this unless you find it in your heart to buy him a beer.
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    Too late just bought one.
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    Some of you guys' behavior has gotten ridiculous. To think its funny to trash talk a guy who dedicated his time for free to get a breakthrough with ZTE and T-Mobile, not just for himself but for ALL of us, is plain pathetic. Trash talking someone who tried to help because you didn't get results quick enough is akin to an impatient 6 year old throwing tantrums. And the mods need to swarm all over this thread because I've seen threats of harm to person and property, as well as unnecessary racial slurs.... Over receiving charity. Its become beyond annoying that some of you can't calm yourselves down and chill out over a $99 phone. All of the above is WAY uncalled for.